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[NIGHT STALKER]

Concern that Hall hasn't signed yet?  Or no biggy?

[jetstream23]

15 minutes ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

Concern that Hall hasn't signed yet?  Or no biggy?

Not concerned.  As long as he's in shape.  Do we think this is another contract language situation with JD?

The Jets will have plenty of RBs to rotate in practices if Hall isn't here by then including a couple guys who rotated as starters last year so I'm not worried.  But obviously, the sooner he gets here the better.

[jetstream23]

Another thought.  There's no 5th year option on Hall since he wasn't taken in Round 1.  I wonder if JD is trying to get a longer term deal as RBs are often hard to sign to that second contract often because it will be their biggest payday of their lives.  As we know, most RBs play their first 3-4 years under a rookie deal and then try to cash in on a 5 or 6 year deal.  They're typically on the decline after 30 years old.  Just wondering if this might be playing into the calculus here.

[More Cowbell]

I'm surr if he misses any time, It won't  be a significant  amount 

[jeremy2020]

17 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Another thought.  There's no 5th year option on Hall since he wasn't taken in Round 1.  I wonder if JD is trying to get a longer term deal as RBs are often hard to sign to that second contract often because it will be their biggest payday of their lives.  As we know, most RBs play their first 3-4 years under a rookie deal and then try to cash in on a 5 or 6 year deal.  They're typically on the decline after 30 years old.  Just wondering if this might be playing into the calculus here.

I don't believe they can do that. Rookie contracts are set (including escalator for performance in latter years of the contract) and as I understand it, the only items to be negotiated are when they get their signing bonus money and salary offset. Douglas has played hardball over salary offset language before so I'd imagine if there's an holdup.. that's it. 

[Hal N of Provo]

19 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Another thought.  There's no 5th year option on Hall since he wasn't taken in Round 1.  I wonder if JD is trying to get a longer term deal as RBs are often hard to sign to that second contract often because it will be their biggest payday of their lives.  As we know, most RBs play their first 3-4 years under a rookie deal and then try to cash in on a 5 or 6 year deal.  They're typically on the decline after 30 years old.  Just wondering if this might be playing into the calculus here.

I know with 1st rounders it’s against the rules to try to extend them early.   I’m guessing it’s the same for second rounders.  
 

this is probably another contract language holdout.  

[slats]

38 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Another thought.  There's no 5th year option on Hall since he wasn't taken in Round 1.  I wonder if JD is trying to get a longer term deal as RBs are often hard to sign to that second contract often because it will be their biggest payday of their lives.  As we know, most RBs play their first 3-4 years under a rookie deal and then try to cash in on a 5 or 6 year deal.  They're typically on the decline after 30 years old.  Just wondering if this might be playing into the calculus here.

I believe it was @nycdan who posted that one team that picked ahead of the Jets in the second round guaranteed their pick his third year salary, which is unusual. As a result, a number of high second round picks are amongst the few unsigned players left around the league - as their agents try to get similar deals. 

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, slats said:

I believe it was @nycdan who posted that one team that picked ahead of the Jets in the second round guaranteed their pick his third year salary, which is unusual. As a result, a number of high second round picks are amongst the few unsigned players left around the league - as their agents try to get similar deals. 

Houston fully guaranteed Pitre's 3rd year salary, which was unprecedented and is causing the problems with the nearby picks.

[Larz]

Cut his ass 

[Alka]

9 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Houston fully guaranteed Pitre's 3rd year salary, which was unprecedented and is causing the problems with the nearby picks.

Hall is a second round pick with first round talent.  His contract will reflect the second round pick.  With Hall, I don't have a problem with the Jets guaranteeing his 3rd year.  Of course, if Hall has a career ending injury, then it doesn't look good, but I personally would like to see Hall get the guarantee.

[jetspenguin]

Houston fully guaranteed Pitre's 3rd year salary, which was unprecedented and is causing the problems with the nearby picks.

Of course it was Houston screwing things up. They just massaged the situation so they can move on.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.

[IndianaJet]

10 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Houston fully guaranteed Pitre's 3rd year salary, which was unprecedented and is causing the problems with the nearby picks.

Elijah’s Moore’s contract is fully guaranteed through the 3rd year….so I’m not sure why this would be a hold up for Hall’s contract this year. 
 

 

 

 

[jetstream23]

32 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Houston fully guaranteed Pitre's 3rd year salary, which was unprecedented and is causing the problems with the nearby picks.

 

17 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

Elijah’s Moore’s contract is fully guaranteed through the 3rd year….so I’m not sure why this would be a hold up for Hall’s contract this year. 
 

 

 

 

Interesting.  It does sound like this could be the holdup (guaranteeing the 3rd year) but as you said other guys are getting this AND JD just did it last year for Moore who was a 2nd rounder, so maybe it's the offset language.  Who knows.

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, IndianaJet said:

Elijah’s Moore’s contract is fully guaranteed through the 3rd year….so I’m not sure why this would be a hold up for Hall’s contract this year. 

 

That tweet was wrong.  $1M of his 2023 salary is guaranteed.  Granted, that's about 2/3 of his total salary, but not 100%.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/elijah-moore-72414

[RoadFan]

Easiest position for a rookie to step in.

Carter and  Tevin can take 3rd downs to protect ZW until Breece is ready.  He can play 1st and 2nd downs right away even if he misses a little camp

[Maynard13]

Pay the kid. Give the 3 years guaranteed plus 1st round money. They tried to trade up for him in Round 1 didn’t they? So just pay him late 1st round money and be done with it. It’s not like Woodrow doesn’t have the money. 

[neckdemon]

we need everyone here. hall needs to get signed. i know rb is one of the easier transitions but still. i wonder who is causing the hold up. i hope hall isnt another revis

[HawkeyeJet]

Iowa State players aren’t used to signing NFL contracts.  He probably just wasn’t told how to do it.

[nycdan]

27 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

Pay the kid. Give the 3 years guaranteed plus 1st round money. They tried to trade up for him in Round 1 didn’t they? So just pay him late 1st round money and be done with it. It’s not like Woodrow doesn’t have the money. 

You do know that's not how this works, right?

[Beerfish]

37 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Iowa State players aren’t used to signing NFL contracts.  He probably just wasn’t told how to do it.

2022 nfl draft:

Iowa State  4 players selected

Iowa 2 players selected.

?   ?

[HawkeyeJet]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

2022 nfl draft:

Iowa State  4 players selected

Iowa 2 players selected.

?   ?

[32EBoozer]

8 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Isn’t that one of the Iowa WR that got passed over in the draft?

[HawkeyeJet]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

Isn’t that one of the Iowa WR that got passed over in the draft?

I’m not sure this position you speak of exists in the Iowa offense.

[Lith]

6 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I’m not sure this position you speak of exists in the Iowa offense.

Don't need em. 

Tight ends and RBs, plus a good defense is all you need and you can still win a Natty.

[JetsFanatic]

It’s not a holdout unless he isn’t signed when camp begins. I’m sure the contract will get done.

[Hal N of Provo]

44 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

It’s not a holdout unless he isn’t signed when camp begins. I’m sure the contract will get done.

I’m confident too.  
 

Within 2 weeks he will be there.   5 weeks max.     Unless it’s a little longer.

 

 

 

He will be fine and he needs to get his while he can.   The NFL is brutal to players. 

[FidelioJet]

13 hours ago, nycdan said:

That tweet was wrong.  $1M of his 2023 salary is guaranteed.  Granted, that's about 2/3 of his total salary, but not 100%.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/elijah-moore-72414

So offer him the EM deal and nothing more.  Let him hold out.  

[Dunnie]

You do know that's not how this works, right?

I believe you can fully guarantee the contract ... and you just know he's about to get abused for 4 years.... I agree ... give him everything he wants.

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[nycdan]

39 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I believe you can fully guarantee the contract ... and you just know he's about to get abused for 4 years.... I agree ... give him everything he wants.

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Yeah, but you can't pay him 1st round money just because...the pay is slotted.

[Embrace the Suck]

19 hours ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

Concern that Hall hasn't signed yet?  Or no biggy?

Not the end of the world. Easiest position in the game to learn. Run through the correct hole, and don't get tackled. Occasionally run a wheel route, or a screen. Sometimes stay in and block. It'll be alright.

[BCJet]

17 hours ago, Alka said:

Hall is a second round pick with first round talent.  His contract will reflect the second round pick.  With Hall, I don't have a problem with the Jets guaranteeing his 3rd year.  Of course, if Hall has a career ending injury, then it doesn't look good, but I personally would like to see Hall get the guarantee.

It really doesnt have anything to do with Hall, his pedigree, etc. its simply dumb and it makes sense that the organization that caused all these issues is Houston which has no direction and is run by a complete moron. 

The teams all want to stick together on things like this because any change in precedent will be taken advantage of by the players/agents (as it should). Better to simply not create unnecessary problems for yourself and other teams.

[Dunnie]

Won't be long now before Becton's true essence is revealed. Wheb do vets report ?

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[Lith]

2 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Won't be long now before Becton's true essence is revealed. Wheb do vets report ?

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A week later.  Tuesday the 26th.

[Alka]

9 hours ago, BCJet said:

It really doesnt have anything to do with Hall, his pedigree, etc. its simply dumb and it makes sense that the organization that caused all these issues is Houston which has no direction and is run by a complete moron. 

The teams all want to stick together on things like this because any change in precedent will be taken advantage of by the players/agents (as it should). Better to simply not create unnecessary problems for yourself and other teams.

I understand and agree with everything you said.  However. the toothpaste is out of the tube, and I like the idea of our second round pick getting guaranteed through year #3.  As a running back, his career can end tomorrow on an injury, and I would like to see the guy get taken care of.  I consider it fairness, and that is all it is.  

Yes, the thought of giving an inch and then taking a mile is something that happens with players and agents; I get it.  But I am with the players and agents on this one.

[32EBoozer]

5 minutes ago, Alka said:

But I am with the players and agents on this one.

Certain players & certain Agents. 
 

That Jaguars contract for Kirk still infuriates me

Edited July 18, 2022 by 32EBoozer