Mogglez Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Biggs said: Under Robert Saleh the Jets D ranked 32nd in both yards and points. I didn't say Payton was a great defensive mind. I just said he knows more about defense than Saleh by Miles. 1. Jeff Ulbrich runs our defense. Full control. 2. No he doesn’t. In 16 years, he hired two decent defensive coordinators. 3. This is a moot discussion. Sean Payton is not going to be the Jets head coach. This “list” is pure speculation. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, jgb said: The only loyalty I care about in business is pay me my ******* market value. I've worked at a few places where the mentor ship vastly improved my market value. Who you choose to work with has a significant long term benifit on market value. Developing skills with the right people can be worth lots of money in the short and long run. It's not about loyalty it's about decision making for your future and money is only one factor in developing future value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: 1. Jeff Ulbrich runs our defense. Full control. 2. No he doesn’t. In 16 years, he hired two decent defensive coordinators. On what planet does someone in authority giving full control to an incompetent make him good at his job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Biggs said: I've worked at a few places where the mentor ship vastly improved my market value. Who you choose to work with has a significant long term benifit on market value. Developing skills with the right people can be worth lots of money in the short and long run. It's not about loyalty it's about decision making for your future and money is only one factor in developing future value. I hear ya and when I was younger that stuff mattered now I’m on the wrong side of 40 have a senior position and kids and family and mortgages and just want to GET PAID. Im Revis with a briefcase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Biggs said: On what planet does someone in authority giving full control to an incompetent make him good at his job? Government jobs?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: Everything I’ve heard indicates Miami is more likely than the Jets (but Cowboys is practically a done deal.) This is just some rando From CBS thinking out loud. Brian Flores next Jets Head Coach He did a good job in Miami and has a chip on his shoulder regarding the dolphins and pats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Biggs said: On what planet does someone in authority giving full control to an incompetent make him good at his job? You do know how the jet organization functions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Biggs said: On what planet does someone in authority giving full control to an incompetent make him good at his job? If you want to judge an entire staff with a roster devoid of experienced talent on both sides of the ball after only one season because you have a thing for Sean Payton, be my guest. He’s not coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Dwight Englewood said: You do know how the jet organization functions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mogglez said: If you want to judge an entire staff with a roster devoid of experienced talent on both sides of the ball after only one season because you have a thing for Sean Payton, be my guest. He’s not coming here. We have talent on offense. Our offensive line in particular has a chance to be top 3 in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Yes, lets ditch an up and coming superstar head coach for a washed up has been. Brilliant idea. If we do, I’ll be like… Thank you Joe Douglas! Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dwight Englewood said: We have talent on offense. Our offensive line in particular has a chance to be top 3 in the league He’s. Not. Coming. Here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I’ll admit, I haven’t read the thread, so I have no idea what the consensus is here. Let me say I have no issue with Saleh, but if the Jets can get Payton and don’t because of Saleh, that’s dumb. How do you not hire one of the best in a profession because you already have someone unproven in that position? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dwight Englewood said: We have talent on offense. Our offensive line in particular has a chance to be top 3 in the league We have talent now, last year that was a different story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mogglez said: If you want to judge an entire staff with a roster devoid of experienced talent on both sides of the ball after only one season because you have a thing for Sean Payton, be my guest. He’s not coming here. I don't have a thing for Payton anymore than I had a thing for Parcells. Saleh sucked last year. Saleh is the HC. I'm hopeful he will get better, much better. The Jets had talent on both sides of the ball last year, lots of it. Does a creative staff who are really good at coaching up players and game planning get better results? Hard to know but if you don't think it matters Rich Kotite should still be coaching the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Green Ghost said: I’ll admit, I haven’t read the thread. I have no issue with Saleh, but if the Jets can get Payton and don’t because of Saleh, that’s dumb. How do you not hire one of the best in a profession because you already have someone unproven in that position? Agreed, but I don't think we should be throwing our hat in the ring unless Payton explicitly states he wants to be here. We are building the right way, would be the Sanchez/Manning situation all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Green Ghost said: Duplicate post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Biggs said: I don't have a thing for Payton anymore than I had a thing for Parcells. Saleh sucked last year. Saleh is the HC. I'm hopeful he will get better, much better. The Jets had talent on both sides of the ball last year, lots of it. Does a creative staff who are really good at coaching up players and game planning get better results? Hard to know but if you don't think it matters Rich Kotite should still be coaching the Jets. We lost both starting Edges, both starting Safeties, and were starting rookies/late round players at CB and LB. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, Biggs said: If Zach didn't start probably 2 to 3 more wins. If Zach was actually developed properly who cares. Lol, zach was always going to start so your answer tells me all I need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: We lost both starting Edges, both starting Safeties, and were starting rookies/late round players at CB and LB. Saleh had opportunity to add veteran CB but chose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 46 minutes ago, Mogglez said: 2020. Last two years they’ve been pretty good under the lead of Dennis Allen before then, they were miserable. Bigger point was to say that Payton is not known for his defensive prowess. At this point....F**k defense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snook Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Biggs said: There are High School teams in Texas and Florida who would kill Northern Michigan. No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, Biggs said: I don't have a thing for Payton anymore than I had a thing for Parcells. Saleh sucked last year. Saleh is the HC. I'm hopeful he will get better, much better. The Jets had talent on both sides of the ball last year, lots of it. Does a creative staff who are really good at coaching up players and game planning get better results? Hard to know but if you don't think it matters Rich Kotite should still be coaching the Jets. 36 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: We lost both starting Edges, both starting Safeties, and were starting rookies/late round players at CB and LB. @bla bla bla said it all already. I never said it doesn’t matter. At all. I’m telling you that one year with the circumstances from last season doesn’t tell me sh*t about this staff. Also, again: you’re fighting a pointless fight here. Sean Payton will not be the head coach of the New York Jets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 58 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I’ll admit, I haven’t read the thread, so I have no idea what the consensus is here. Let me say I have no issue with Saleh, but if the Jets can get Payton and don’t because of Saleh, that’s dumb. How do you not hire one of the best in a profession because you already have someone unproven in that position? Becasue like players, you can assess potential with coaches. We know what peyton is. If he has a top 10 all time qb in nfl history he will win 1 super bowl in 15 years. Saleh is going to win 2 or 3 in the next 6 or 7 years. Again, jet fans can never see the forest for the trees. Ever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Becasue like players, you can assess potential with coaches. We know what peyton is. If he has a top 10 all time qb in nfl history he will win 1 super bowl in 15 years. Saleh is going to win 2 or 3 in the next 6 or 7 years. Again, jet fans can never see the forest for the trees. Ever. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: Apparently the Jets are on his short list. Saleh seems like a nice guy and all but if Payton really wants to come here the job is his Looks like HC's are also using the Jets to get more money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: Becasue like players, you can assess potential with coaches. We know what peyton is. If he has a top 10 all time qb in nfl history he will win 1 super bowl in 15 years. Saleh is going to win 2 or 3 in the next 6 or 7 years. Again, jet fans can never see the forest for the trees. Ever. Well thankfully, we have you leading the way Joe. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 If Bellichek would have won 4 super bowls with drew brees. Saleh is the coach of this team and that is not changing anytime soon. Enjoy jet fans! We have our man! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Jet fans cant b!tch about Douglas anymore after this last draft. Now they have Coach Saleh in their sights. And when this teams kick ass this year, they will go down the list to find someone else. This fan base is pathetic. JD drafted Becton, yeah we can b!tch.... TYJDTY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Fantasy Island said: JD drafted Becton, yeah we can b!tch.... TYJDTY And Becton was the right pick. Joe went for a hall of fame talent left tackle in becton over a solid/limit upside RT in wirfs. Will it work out, we will see. But it was 100% the right pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 hours ago, munchmemory said: Thanks, Crush. It's something I said to my son a while back. Although I should apologize for introducing my Zach bias into this Sean Payton thread. It's not the place. Maybe not, but it kinda moved when you said it, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 You guys realize it’s not Payton’s preference list right? It’s the reporter guessing possible destinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 No need to stop the arguing now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Payton will be coaching the Cowboys next year unless Dallas wins the SB this season. It's a lock. Cowgirls are trending downward. He won go anywhere near that cow dung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Payton will be coaching the Cowboys next year unless Dallas wins the SB this season. It's a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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