NFL head coaches and general managers don’t think much of Zach Wilson

[Facts]

The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department.

The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection.

The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs.

https://theathletic.com/3443022/2022/07/25/nfl-best-quarterbacks-tiers?source=user-shared-article

TIER 1

A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Tom Brady
4. Josh Allen
5. Justin Herbert
6. Joe Burrow

TIER 2

A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

7. Matt Stafford
8. Russell Wilson
9. Deshaun Watson
10. Lamar Jackson
11. Dak Prescott
12. Derek Carr
13. Kyler Murray
14. Matt Ryan

TIER 3

A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.

15. Kirk Cousins
16. Jimmy Garoppolo
17. Ryan Tannehill
18. Mac Jones
19. Baker Mayfield
20 (T). Jalen Hurts
20 (T). Carson Wentz
22. Jared Goff
23. Trevor Lawrence
24. Jameis Winston

TIER 4

A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.

25. Justin Fields
26. Tua Tagovailoa
27. David Mills
28. Zach Wilson
29. Trey Lance
30. Daniel Jones
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Sam Darnold
33. Mitch Trubisky
34. Drew Lock
35. Geno Smith

 

“Zach Wilson has got talent — he has ALL the physical talent,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “He is not lacking in any skill set from a tools standpoint. They have done a good job trying to draft and surround him with people. It’ll be a big year for him to take a leap. It was a bad team last year, and he made a lot of mistakes. We will have a better sense after this year.”

If you didn’t love Wilson coming out of BYU, there wasn’t enough during his rookie season to change your mind.

“He looks at the rush way too much,” an offensive play caller said. “He is one of those guys who sees the rush and wants to get depth and run right, but you lose the field when you do that.”

A head coach vouched for Wilson’s skill set while noting “there were times where it looked like it was too big for him,” suggesting Wilson needs to settle down this year.

“Tell me one marquee player that he had around him last year,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I still think the sky’s the limit for this kid. He’s got some young weapons now, and I think they are going to be a lot better.”

[Lupz27]

Russell Wilson has to be Tier 1

[nj meadowlands]

Misleading headline. The quotes included are about what you'd expect from a 2nd year quarterback who struggled.  In fact, they're somewhat hopeful.

[Facts]

2 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said:

Misleading headline. The quotes included are about what you'd expect from a 2nd year quarterback who struggled.  In fact, they're somewhat hopeful.

He’s ranked 28th. Behind David freaking Mills. The headline is spot on.

Edit: I honestly didn’t know there was a quote (I got this from another forum), so I apologize if there is some asterisk or something to this article that I cant see since I don’t subscribe to The Athletic.

 

[Joe W. Namath]

Oh crap, Becton is in great shape and ready to go.  Quick, let me scour the internet and find something negative about our players.

Just unreal.

[slats]

Who expects the national anything to rate Zach highly? They have him ranked here higher than he finished last season, so that’s something. Probably ranked higher than a number of fans here would place him. 

[Beerfish]

Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahommes were garbage after their 1st year as well.

Oh wait Rodgers did not play for about 3 years and Mahommes sat and watched all year.

[Mogglez]

Ok.

[BigRy56]

There's no reason that any Jets player is going to get any type of love until the team wins some games. Jets players will get this treatment until further notice. Zach will fly up this board if we win 7-10 games in 2022

[freestater]

5 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Oh crap, Becton is in great shape and ready to go.  Quick, let me scour the internet and find something negative about our players.

Just unreal.

I'll go ahead and agree with you on this one here. 

 

[nycdan]

Where else would you put him?

Much more interesting is the guy two slots above him who was supposed to be the 'most accurate QB in the league'.

Also - it feels like half that bottom tier was drafted by us (wince).

 

[NYJCAP2]

I was pondering this the other day and I came to a more simple conclusion. The Jets need Wilson to be better than Mac Jones and Tua to compete, and I’m not sure he’s there yet.

[65 Toss Power Trap]

No doubt Zach and the offense have to show something this year. But if you ask any GM if they could have Zach or “David freaking Mills,” who do you think they’re going to take?
 

Both Zach and Trevor Lawrence are going to climb this list. 
 

[Kolchak]

Much bigger shots at the Dolphins and giants than the Jets.  Until Zach proves it, he's right where he belongs.

[More Cowbell]

8 minutes ago, freestater said:

I'll go ahead and agree with you on this one here. 

 

Really, because this showed up on my sports feed about the Jets. No scouring needed. 

[GreenReaper]

I have no problem where ZW was designated.  I would think Josh Allen's first year of play would've put him in same category as Zach.

JD-Saleh did the right thing in vastly upgrading the talent surrounding ZW.  Now he gets his chance to prove his doubters wrong.  

IMO...he will.

[65 Toss Power Trap]

2 minutes ago, NYJCAP2 said:

I was pondering this the other day and I came to a more simple conclusion. The Jets need Wilson to be better than Mac Jones and Tua to compete, and I’m not sure he’s there yet.

Yep. He has to make a leap and get there. Mac and Tia will probably be middle/average QBs. JD has given him a better team. Coaching staff in no longer brand new. 

[More Cowbell]

6 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

No doubt Zach and the offense have to show something this year. But if you ask any GM if they could have Zach or “David freaking Mills,” who do you think they’re going to take?
 

Both Zach and Trevor Lawrence are going to climb this list. 
 

Was the list supposed to be based on potential?

[TuscanyTile2]

He's in the "unproven" category, which is where he belongs.  He still has a high ceiling and I'm still hopeful he'll greatly improve this year.  At least finally we've got a respectable offense for once.  Our OL isn't an abomination anymore.  We have 2 RBs that have a chance to be really good (or maybe 1 bell cow and another real good RB).  We have 2 dangerous WRs and some legit talent behind that.  And we finally have actual NFL caliber TEs (at least 2 and I think Ruckert will become a 3rd soon enough when healthy).

We're still a very young team who probably needs 1-2 more years to really gel but there's no reason we shouldn't be good this year.  If Zach can't at least improve a good deal this year with these guys around him then he just might not be the guy.  But I'm definitely going into this season with a much more optimistic outlook.  I feel confident that Zach will improve (though obviously we'll have to see how much).  He seems confident and his teammates seem to like him from what I can tell.

[Sammybighead]

Trevor Lawrence between Goff and Winston. Guess he's a bust already as well

[IndianaJet]

20 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Oh crap, Becton is in great shape and ready to go.  Quick, let me scour the internet and find something negative about our players.

Just unreal.

Lol...what did I tell you...it didn't take long.

[65 Toss Power Trap]

6 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Was the list supposed to be based on potential?

Who cares what the list was based on. I was responding to concern about ZW being listed behind David Mills. 

It's just a list. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

This is what was written in the article.  

“Zach Wilson has got talent — he has ALL the physical talent,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “He is not lacking in any skill set from a tools standpoint. They have done a good job trying to draft and surround him with people. It’ll be a big year for him to take a leap. It was a bad team last year, and he made a lot of mistakes. We will have a better sense after this year.”

If you didn’t love Wilson coming out of BYU, there wasn’t enough during his rookie season to change your mind.

“He looks at the rush way too much,” an offensive play caller said. “He is one of those guys who sees the rush and wants to get depth and run right, but you lose the field when you do that.”

A head coach vouched for Wilson’s skill set while noting “there were times where it looked like it was too big for him,” suggesting Wilson needs to settle down this year.

“Tell me one marquee player that he had around him last year,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I still think the sky’s the limit for this kid. He’s got some young weapons now, and I think they are going to be a lot better.”

 

I think the OP needs to read the article before characterizing it.  

[GreenReaper]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahommes were garbage after their 1st year as well.

Oh wait Rodgers did not play for about 3 years and Mahommes sat and watched all year.

Yup...

And Mo Lewis was the one who decided when Tom Brady would get his chance to start.  And that was in year 2.

Josh Allen's 1st year of 53% completions with 10 TDs and 12 INTs...would've put him in the same sh!!tter category that Zach was put in.  

In year 2...Zach gets his chance to graduate.  

[More Cowbell]

1 minute ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

Who cares what the list was based on. I was responding to concern about ZW being listed behind David Mills. 

It's just a list. 

Based on his season, he should be behind every QB except maybe Darnold and I'm  not even sure about that. 

[Facts]

3 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

This is what was written in the article.  

“Zach Wilson has got talent — he has ALL the physical talent,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “He is not lacking in any skill set from a tools standpoint. They have done a good job trying to draft and surround him with people. It’ll be a big year for him to take a leap. It was a bad team last year, and he made a lot of mistakes. We will have a better sense after this year.”

If you didn’t love Wilson coming out of BYU, there wasn’t enough during his rookie season to change your mind.

“He looks at the rush way too much,” an offensive play caller said. “He is one of those guys who sees the rush and wants to get depth and run right, but you lose the field when you do that.”

A head coach vouched for Wilson’s skill set while noting “there were times where it looked like it was too big for him,” suggesting Wilson needs to settle down this year.

“Tell me one marquee player that he had around him last year,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I still think the sky’s the limit for this kid. He’s got some young weapons now, and I think they are going to be a lot better.”

Thanks for posting this.

3 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

 think the OP needs to read the article before characterizing it.  

Sorry but i’m not paying to read an Athletic article.

I just copy and pasted this from another forum, but it didn’t include the quote.

[#27TheDominator]

Who the **** is David Mills?  Did the article actually call him that?  I have seen it in the article and in posts.  

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

4 minutes ago, Facts said:

Thanks for posting this.

Sorry but i’m not paying to read an Athletic article.

I just copy and pasted this from another forum, but it didn’t include the quote.

Fine. But then don't mischaracterize the article with a BS post topic.  

[#27TheDominator]

The more interesting thing to me is that they still have Fields ranked ahead of him.

[Ken Schroy]

I am devastated by this.

[jetsons]

[tommyduhamelshouse]

neither do I

[oatmeal]

52 minutes ago, Facts said:

The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department.

The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection.

The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs.

https://theathletic.com/3443022/2022/07/25/nfl-best-quarterbacks-tiers?source=user-shared-article

TIER 1

A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Tom Brady
4. Josh Allen
5. Justin Herbert
6. Joe Burrow

TIER 2

A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

7. Matt Stafford
8. Russell Wilson
9. Deshaun Watson
10. Lamar Jackson
11. Dak Prescott
12. Derek Carr
13. Kyler Murray
14. Matt Ryan

TIER 3

A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.

15. Kirk Cousins
16. Jimmy Garoppolo
17. Ryan Tannehill
18. Mac Jones
19. Baker Mayfield
20 (T). Jalen Hurts
20 (T). Carson Wentz
22. Jared Goff
23. Trevor Lawrence
24. Jameis Winston

TIER 4

A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.

25. Justin Fields
26. Tua Tagovailoa
27. David Mills
28. Zach Wilson
29. Trey Lance
30. Daniel Jones
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Sam Darnold
33. Mitch Trubisky
34. Drew Lock
35. Geno Smith

 

“Zach Wilson has got talent — he has ALL the physical talent,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “He is not lacking in any skill set from a tools standpoint. They have done a good job trying to draft and surround him with people. It’ll be a big year for him to take a leap. It was a bad team last year, and he made a lot of mistakes. We will have a better sense after this year.”

If you didn’t love Wilson coming out of BYU, there wasn’t enough during his rookie season to change your mind.

“He looks at the rush way too much,” an offensive play caller said. “He is one of those guys who sees the rush and wants to get depth and run right, but you lose the field when you do that.”

A head coach vouched for Wilson’s skill set while noting “there were times where it looked like it was too big for him,” suggesting Wilson needs to settle down this year.

“Tell me one marquee player that he had around him last year,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I still think the sky’s the limit for this kid. He’s got some young weapons now, and I think they are going to be a lot better.”

I understand this but IMO all the fist round QBs besides Jones should be in tier 4.

I watched every Jax game last to to see what we missed out on and I wasn’t impressed.
 

On top of that I will never understand how Meyer grinding on some young cheeks made Lawrence throw those Sam Darnold like ints..

 

[Embrace the Suck]

[greenwichjetfan]

So you're saying I could have been an NFL GM or HC?