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rex-n-effect Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I don't see a single thing wrong with the comments about him. He has a lot of upside but he has to take mental control of his game to match his physical talents. Sitting where we are today he is unproven. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 The 2 quotes said that 2 of the 3 coaches (one of which is an AFC East defensive coach, possibly a DC, I can’t remember) polled believe that the sky is the limit for Zach and he has all the tools in the world to succeed. It’s pretty important to include them for context. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mogglez said: The 2 quotes said that 2 of the 3 coaches (one of which is an AFC East defensive coach, possibly a DC, I can’t remember) polled believe that the sky is the limit for Zach and he has all the tools in the world to succeed. It’s pretty important to include them for context. That would go against his narrative, anything negative he posts. It’s like a child 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, nycdan said: Where else would you put him? Much more interesting is the guy two slots above him who was supposed to be the 'most accurate QB in the league'. Also - it feels like half that bottom tier was drafted by us (wince). Good thing Mark Sanchez “retired” at the ripe old age of 28 or else he’d be in that group too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Good thing Mark Sanchez “retired” at the ripe old age of 28 or else he’s be in that group too. I was JUST looking for a place to drop this... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, nycdan said: I was JUST looking for a place to drop this... Mark Sanchez “has” 4 playoff wins in a similar way that the Key Grip on Forrest Gump “has” a Best Picture Oscar. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Kyle Murray at 14?? These GM's and coaches are racist AF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Facts said: The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department. The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection. The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs. https://theathletic.com/3443022/2022/07/25/nfl-best-quarterbacks-tiers?source=user-shared-article TIER 1 A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game. 1. Aaron Rodgers 2. Patrick Mahomes 3. Tom Brady 4. Josh Allen 5. Justin Herbert 6. Joe Burrow TIER 2 A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game. 7. Matt Stafford 8. Russell Wilson 9. Deshaun Watson 10. Lamar Jackson 11. Dak Prescott 12. Derek Carr 13. Kyler Murray 14. Matt Ryan TIER 3 A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best. 15. Kirk Cousins 16. Jimmy Garoppolo 17. Ryan Tannehill 18. Mac Jones 19. Baker Mayfield 20 (T). Jalen Hurts 20 (T). Carson Wentz 22. Jared Goff 23. Trevor Lawrence 24. Jameis Winston TIER 4 A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games. 25. Justin Fields 26. Tua Tagovailoa 27. David Mills 28. Zach Wilson 29. Trey Lance 30. Daniel Jones 31. Marcus Mariota 32. Sam Darnold 33. Mitch Trubisky 34. Drew Lock 35. Geno Smith “Zach Wilson has got talent — he has ALL the physical talent,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “He is not lacking in any skill set from a tools standpoint. They have done a good job trying to draft and surround him with people. It’ll be a big year for him to take a leap. It was a bad team last year, and he made a lot of mistakes. We will have a better sense after this year.” If you didn’t love Wilson coming out of BYU, there wasn’t enough during his rookie season to change your mind. “He looks at the rush way too much,” an offensive play caller said. “He is one of those guys who sees the rush and wants to get depth and run right, but you lose the field when you do that.” A head coach vouched for Wilson’s skill set while noting “there were times where it looked like it was too big for him,” suggesting Wilson needs to settle down this year. “Tell me one marquee player that he had around him last year,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I still think the sky’s the limit for this kid. He’s got some young weapons now, and I think they are going to be a lot better.” No surprise here. Where he should be for how he played last year. Lots to prove this year and hopefully a lot better ranking next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensedoesntgetyoulaid Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 This stuff is really interesting as an outsider. I think Wilson takes a big leap this year, but for any Jets fans who take articles like this to heart, check this out. This was filmed after these guys had seen Darnold and Allen play for 2 years. Foxworth basically laughs at the idea of Allen being good and picks Tua (as the best QB in 3 years) even though he hadn't seen him play. What's funny is that Foxworth (and Greeny too) now creams himself over Allen every chance he gets yet here is actually calling the very idea of him being the best QB in the division absurd. There are a 1000 more clips and articles like this out there as well. In short, these bozos don't really know anything and just go with the recency effect. If Zach starts the season with 300 yards and 3TDs these same guys will be anointing him the league MVP, and they'll do it in a way that suggests they're really going out on a limb with the usual "you heard it here first" BS. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Outside of Chris simms and Jet fans there aren’t a lot of Wilson supporters after watching him last year. It’s kinda fair. You can ooze arm talent and be bad in the NFL. Zach can still redeem himself. How so? Play great football in 22. He has to earn it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelScott Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Smdh . Can't make this sh*t up LITERALLY says could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games So would a 2nd year player that missed a chunk of their first year be unproven or a veteran? Ffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, defensedoesntgetyoulaid said: This stuff is really interesting as an outsider. I think Wilson takes a big leap this year, but for any Jets fans who take articles like this to heart, check this out. This was filmed after these guys had seen Darnold and Allen play for 2 years. Foxworth basically laughs at the idea of Allen being good and picks Tua (as the best QB in 3 years) even though he hadn't seen him play. What's funny is that Foxworth (and Greeny too) now creams himself over Allen every chance he gets yet here is actually calling the very idea of him being the best QB in the division absurd. There are a 1000 more clips and articles like this out there as well. In short, these bozos don't really know anything and just go with the recency effect. If Zach starts the season with 300 yards and 3TDs these same guys will be anointing him the league MVP, and they'll do it in a way that suggests they're really going out on a limb with the usual "you heard it here first" BS. When it comes to Jets fans in the media, Greeny is easily the biggest joke there is. I couldn’t listen to him if you paid me. I am allergic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackExchangeNYJ Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 hours ago, BigRy56 said: There's no reason that any Jets player is going to get any type of love until the team wins some games. Jets players will get this treatment until further notice. Zach will fly up this board if we win 7-10 games in 2022 At which point, the discussion will turn to being about Zach Wilson's mother's feet. I've seen this show before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Darnold over Trubisky is an outrage. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Contrarian indicator. I'm bullish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said: That would go against his narrative, anything negative he posts. It’s like a child I know what OP’s agenda is; I just don’t have it in me to chew anyone out today, lmfao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Zach slept with all their moms, huh? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 The title of this thread doesn't match what was actually written 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Facts said: He’s ranked 28th. Behind David freaking Mills. The headline is spot on. Edit: I honestly didn’t know there was a quote (I got this from another forum), so I apologize if there is some asterisk or something to this article that I cant see since I don’t subscribe to The Athletic. pretty sure the coaches and gm's had nothing to do with the rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 5 hours ago, nycdan said: Where else would you put him? Much more interesting is the guy two slots above him who was supposed to be the 'most accurate QB in the league'. Also - it feels like half that bottom tier was drafted by us (wince). Plus who the hell is Trevor Lawrence’s hype man? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 hours ago, nycdan said: I was JUST looking for a place to drop this... 4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Mark Sanchez “has” 4 playoff wins in a similar way that the Key Grip on Forrest Gump “has” a Best Picture Oscar. That's not really fair. I'm not a Sanchez guy but he did play pretty well in a couple of the playoff games. From what I recall, actually, his best postseason game was in the AFC CG loss to the Colts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: That's not really fair. I'm not a Sanchez guy but he did play pretty well in a couple of the playoff games. From what I recall, actually, his best postseason game was in the AFC CG loss to the Colts. Sanchez was actually pretty damned competent in the playoff games. 9 TD - 3 INT in 6 games? Not Mahomes/Allen worthy perhaps, but definitely not awful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Plus who the hell is Trevor Lawrence’s hype man? It's funny, but if you read the headings of each grouping Lawrence is in the Ryan Tannehill sucks and can't win with being carried by D and a running game group. Wilson, Fields and Lance are in the sucks or not enough information group. As long as he is in the not enough information side, I'd just as soon be there as Tier 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 hours ago, nycdan said: I was JUST looking for a place to drop this... And a higher playoff QBR than almost all jet QB's that have made the playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: That's not really fair. I'm not a Sanchez guy but he did play pretty well in a couple of the playoff games. From what I recall, actually, his best postseason game was in the AFC CG loss to the Colts. Sanchez took 2 of the most talented teams in the recent memory of the NFL and nearly ran them into the ground. The 2009 team won only 9 games because of him. In one of those 7 losses, the team ran for over 300 yards on the ground but still lost because of Sanchez. Very nearly a f**kin travesty because we easily could have been bounced from the playoffs, much like the 10-win 2015 squad. It’s very fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facts Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Fine. But then don't mischaracterize the article with a BS post topic. “Don’t mischaracterize an article that you thought you had the full writings of and didn’t realize there was a quote that wasn’t posted” Do you hear yourself when you talk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 They shouldn’t he stunk last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Why isn’t Trevor Lawrence ranked with Zach, Fields etc? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Sanchez took 2 of the most talented teams in the recent memory of the NFL and nearly ran them into the ground. The 2009 team won only 9 games because of him. In one of those 7 losses, the team ran for over 300 yards on the ground but still lost because of Sanchez. Very nearly a f**kin travesty because we easily could have been bounced from the playoffs, much like the 10-win 2015 squad. It’s very fair. I'm talking about his postseason performances only (in response to your comment): Quote Mark Sanchez “has” 4 playoff wins in a similar way that the Key Grip on Forrest Gump “has” a Best Picture Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 8 hours ago, slats said: Who expects the national anything to rate Zach highly? They have him ranked here higher than he finished last season, so that’s something. Probably ranked higher than a number of fans here would place him. For what it's worth, I'd actually move him up a couple slots. Fields doesn't belong at #35 over Mills or Zach, not with what he's shown at the NFL level so far (and I say that as a guy who would have drafted Fields over Wilson). I'd also drop "Mr. Generationlols" Lawrence a few slots, he was about as poop as Zach last year, and just as equally has a ton to prove this year. 24. Tua Tagovailoa 25. David Mills Tie 26. Zach Wilson Tie 26. Trevor Lawrence 28. Justin Fields That's more like it IMO. Hard to argue Zach should be much higher based on his 2021 campaign, really. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Oh crap, Becton is in great shape and ready to go. Quick, let me scour the internet and find something negative about our players. Just unreal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Facts said: The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department. The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection. The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs. https://theathletic.com/3443022/2022/07/25/nfl-best-quarterbacks-tiers?source=user-shared-article TIER 1 A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game. 1. Aaron Rodgers 2. Patrick Mahomes 3. Tom Brady 4. Josh Allen 5. Justin Herbert 6. Joe Burrow TIER 2 A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game. 7. Matt Stafford 8. Russell Wilson 9. Deshaun Watson 10. Lamar Jackson 11. Dak Prescott 12. Derek Carr 13. Kyler Murray 14. Matt Ryan TIER 3 A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best. 15. Kirk Cousins 16. Jimmy Garoppolo 17. Ryan Tannehill 18. Mac Jones 19. Baker Mayfield 20 (T). Jalen Hurts 20 (T). Carson Wentz 22. Jared Goff 23. Trevor Lawrence 24. Jameis Winston TIER 4 A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games. 25. Justin Fields 26. Tua Tagovailoa 27. David Mills 28. Zach Wilson 29. Trey Lance 30. Daniel Jones 31. Marcus Mariota 32. Sam Darnold 33. Mitch Trubisky 34. Drew Lock 35. Geno Smith “Zach Wilson has got talent — he has ALL the physical talent,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “He is not lacking in any skill set from a tools standpoint. They have done a good job trying to draft and surround him with people. It’ll be a big year for him to take a leap. It was a bad team last year, and he made a lot of mistakes. We will have a better sense after this year.” If you didn’t love Wilson coming out of BYU, there wasn’t enough during his rookie season to change your mind. “He looks at the rush way too much,” an offensive play caller said. “He is one of those guys who sees the rush and wants to get depth and run right, but you lose the field when you do that.” A head coach vouched for Wilson’s skill set while noting “there were times where it looked like it was too big for him,” suggesting Wilson needs to settle down this year. “Tell me one marquee player that he had around him last year,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I still think the sky’s the limit for this kid. He’s got some young weapons now, and I think they are going to be a lot better.” LOL the QB position in the NFL gives new meaning to the acronym Not For Long. Just a putrid list of no names. 1st tier - exceptional 2nd tier - very good 3rd tier - manure fertilizer *4th tier - practice squad/picket line qb’s *excluding Lawrence and Zach - both TBD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 8 hours ago, nycdan said: I was JUST looking for a place to drop this... And more than likely a few MILFS added to that record. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Warfish said: For what it's worth, I'd actually move him up a couple slots. Fields doesn't belong at #35 over Mills or Zach, not with what he's shown at the NFL level so far (and I say that as a guy who would have drafted Fields over Wilson). I'd also drop "Mr. Generationlols" Lawrence a few slots, he was about as poop as Zach last year, and just as equally has a ton to prove this year. 24. Tua Tagovailoa 25. David Mills Tie 26. Zach Wilson Tie 26. Trevor Lawrence 28. Justin Fields That's more like it IMO. Hard to argue Zach should be much higher based on his 2021 campaign, really. Yea I don’t really get why Lawrence is ranked as high as he is. He went at least 8 straight games without a TD pass if I remember correctly and the Jets with one of the worst defenses ever outscored his Jags team. That said, ZW didn’t really play much better so I also agree with you on that. I like your placement of Fields as well, but I think he should maybe even be a spot or two lower. I don’t see the bears giving him help any time soon and he kind of sucked worse than either of the other 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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