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  1. 1. Who is the # 1 Greatest LG of all-time?

    • Randall McDaniel, MIN/TB (1988-2001)
    • John Hannah, NE (1973-1985)
    • Alan Faneca, PIT/NYJ/AZ (1998-2010)
    • Gene Upshaw, OAK (1967-1981)
    • Logan Mankins, NE/TB (2005-2015)
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    • Steve Wisniewski, RAI/OAK (1989-2001)
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    • Larry Allen, DAL/SF (1994-2007)
    • Steve Hutchinson, SEA/MIN (2001-2012)
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    • Russ Grimm, WAS (1981-1991)
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    • Mike Munchak, HOU (1982-1992)
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    • Tom Mack, RAM (1966-1978)
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    • Doug Wilkerson, HOU/SD (1970-1984)
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    • Ed Budde, KC (1963-1976)
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    • Guy McIntyre, SF/GB/PHI (1984-1996)
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    • John Niland, DAL/PHI (1966-1975)
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    • Bob Kuechenberg, MIA (1970-1983)
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    • Quenton Nelson, IND (2018-present)
    • Carl Nicks, NO/TB (2008-2013)
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    • Mike Iupati, SF/AZ/SEA (2010-2020)
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    • OTHER (Specify in thread)
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  2. 2. Who is the # 2 Greatest LG of all-time?

    • Randall McDaniel, MIN/TB (1988-2001)
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    • John Hannah, NE (1973-1985)
    • Alan Faneca, PIT/NYJ/AZ (1998-2010)
    • Gene Upshaw, OAK (1967-1981)
    • Logan Mankins, NE/TB (2005-2015)
    • Steve Wisniewski, RAI/OAK (1989-2001)
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    • Larry Allen, DAL/SF (1994-2007)
    • Steve Hutchinson, SEA/MIN (2001-2012)
    • Russ Grimm, WAS (1981-1991)
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    • Mike Munchak, HOU (1982-1992)
    • Tom Mack, RAM (1966-1978)
      0
    • Doug Wilkerson, HOU/SD (1970-1984)
      0
    • Ed Budde, KC (1963-1976)
      0
    • Guy McIntyre, SF/GB/PHI (1984-1996)
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    • John Niland, DAL/PHI (1966-1975)
      0
    • Bob Kuechenberg, MIA (1970-1983)
      0
    • Quenton Nelson, IND (2018-present)
      0
    • Carl Nicks, NO/TB (2008-2013)
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    • Mike Iupati, SF/AZ/SEA (2010-2020)
      0
    • OTHER (Specify in thread)
      0
  3. 3. Who is the # 3 Greatest LG of all-time?

    • Randall McDaniel, MIN/TB (1988-2001)
    • John Hannah, NE (1973-1985)
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    • Alan Faneca, PIT/NYJ/AZ (1998-2010)
    • Gene Upshaw, OAK (1967-1981)
    • Logan Mankins, NE/TB (2005-2015)
      0
    • Steve Wisniewski, RAI/OAK (1989-2001)
      0
    • Larry Allen, DAL/SF (1994-2007)
    • Steve Hutchinson, SEA/MIN (2001-2012)
      0
    • Russ Grimm, WAS (1981-1991)
    • Mike Munchak, HOU (1982-1992)
    • Tom Mack, RAM (1966-1978)
      0
    • Doug Wilkerson, HOU/SD (1970-1984)
      0
    • Ed Budde, KC (1963-1976)
      0
    • Guy McIntyre, SF/GB/PHI (1984-1996)
      0
    • John Niland, DAL/PHI (1966-1975)
    • Bob Kuechenberg, MIA (1970-1983)
      0
    • Quenton Nelson, IND (2018-present)
      0
    • Carl Nicks, NO/TB (2008-2013)
      0
    • Mike Iupati, SF/AZ/SEA (2010-2020)
      0
    • OTHER (Specify in thread)
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  4. 4. Who is the # 4 Greatest LG of all-time?

    • Randall McDaniel, MIN/TB (1988-2001)
    • John Hannah, NE (1973-1985)
    • Alan Faneca, PIT/NYJ/AZ (1998-2010)
    • Gene Upshaw, OAK (1967-1981)
    • Logan Mankins, NE/TB (2005-2015)
    • Steve Wisniewski, RAI/OAK (1989-2001)
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    • Larry Allen, DAL/SF (1994-2007)
    • Steve Hutchinson, SEA/MIN (2001-2012)
    • Russ Grimm, WAS (1981-1991)
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    • Mike Munchak, HOU (1982-1992)
    • Tom Mack, RAM (1966-1978)
    • Doug Wilkerson, HOU/SD (1970-1984)
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    • Ed Budde, KC (1963-1976)
    • Guy McIntyre, SF/GB/PHI (1984-1996)
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    • John Niland, DAL/PHI (1966-1975)
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    • Bob Kuechenberg, MIA (1970-1983)
    • Quenton Nelson, IND (2018-present)
    • Carl Nicks, NO/TB (2008-2013)
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    • Mike Iupati, SF/AZ/SEA (2010-2020)
      0
    • OTHER (Specify in thread)
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  5. 5. Who is the # 5 Greatest LG of all-time?

    • Randall McDaniel, MIN/TB (1988-2001)
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    • John Hannah, NE (1973-1985)
    • Alan Faneca, PIT/NYJ/AZ (1998-2010)
    • Gene Upshaw, OAK (1967-1981)
    • Logan Mankins, NE/TB (2005-2015)
    • Steve Wisniewski, RAI/OAK (1989-2001)
    • Larry Allen, DAL/SF (1994-2007)
    • Steve Hutchinson, SEA/MIN (2001-2012)
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    • Russ Grimm, WAS (1981-1991)
    • Mike Munchak, HOU (1982-1992)
    • Tom Mack, RAM (1966-1978)
    • Doug Wilkerson, HOU/SD (1970-1984)
      0
    • Ed Budde, KC (1963-1976)
      0
    • Guy McIntyre, SF/GB/PHI (1984-1996)
      0
    • John Niland, DAL/PHI (1966-1975)
      0
    • Bob Kuechenberg, MIA (1970-1983)
    • Quenton Nelson, IND (2018-present)
    • Carl Nicks, NO/TB (2008-2013)
      0
    • Mike Iupati, SF/AZ/SEA (2010-2020)
    • OTHER (Specify in thread)
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Leading up to the start of the season, I'll be posting a thread once every day or so devoted to determine the top 5 all-time at each position, as voted on by JN.

I am using football-reference.com's AV (Approximate Value) metric to help compare across eras.  The "Peak AV Average" means the average "score" for each player's among their top 5 performing years in the league, to help establish which players had the high peaks and which players were more of the "compilers" over a long career.  Utilizing a "peak AV" also allows for players with careers shortened by injury to be included.

Also note that AV only goes back so far, so some players from the earliest days in NFL history (primarily the 30s, 40s and early 50s) are, unfortunately, excluded.

 

Yesterday, JN voted on Cornerbacks:

 

 

Today, we vote on Left Guards!

Below are the candidates and their resumes, ranked in the order weighted by AV/Peak AV:

 

1.  Randall McDaniel, MIN/TB (1988-2001)

  • Career AV:  175
  • Peak AV Average:  17
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  7
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  12

2.  John Hannah, NE (1973-1985)

  • Career AV:  149
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  7
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  9

3.  Alan Faneca, PIT/NYJ/AZ (1998-2010)

  • Career AV:  140
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  6
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  9

4.  Gene Upshaw, OAK (1967-1981)

  • Career AV:  149
  • Peak AV Average:  14
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  5
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

5.  Logan Mankins, NE/TB (2005-2015)

  • Career AV:  129
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

6.  Steve Wisniewski, RAI/OAK (1989-2001)

  • Career AV:  138
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  2
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  8

7.  Larry Allen, DAL/SF (1994-2007)

  • Career AV:  134
  • Peak AV Average:  10
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  6
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  11

8.  Steve Hutchinson, SEA/MIN (2001-2012)

  • Career AV:  117
  • Peak AV Average:  14
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  5
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

9.  Russ Grimm, WAS (1981-1991)

  • Career AV:  92
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  3
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  4

10.  Mike Munchak, HOU (1982-1992)

  • Career AV:  118
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  2
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  9

11.  Tom Mack, RAM (1966-1978)

  • Career AV:  123
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  0
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  11

12.  Doug Wilkerson, HOU/SD (1970-1984)

  • Career AV:  117
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  3

13.  Ed Budde, KC (1963-1976)

  • Career AV:  111
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  2
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

14.  Guy McIntyre, SF/GB/PHI (1984-1996)

  • Career AV:  92
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  0
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  5

15.  John Niland, DAL/PHI (1966-1975)

  • Career AV:  91
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  3
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  6

16.  Bob Kuechenberg, MIA (1970-1983)

  • Career AV:  116
  • Peak AV Average:  11
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  6

17.  Quenton Nelson, IND (2018-present)

  • Career AV:  53
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  3
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  4

18.  Carl Nicks, NO/TB (2008-2013)

  • Career AV:  57
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  2

19.  Mike Iupati, SF/AZ/SEA (2010-2020)

  • Career AV:  81
  • Peak AV Average:  10
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  4

Just missed the cut:  Joel Bitonio, Josh Sitton, Billy Shaw, Mark Schlereth

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That one is real tough.  I picked Larry Allen as #1.

One name on the list that till steams me.  Carl Nicks.

The Jets are sitting there in the 5th round in 2008 and Nicks is dropping due to 'character issues'.  So the Jets pass on him and pick Erik frickin Ainge 2 picks prior to Nicks getting picked instead who was one big character issue from day one.

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That one is real tough.  I picked Larry Allen as #1.
One name on the list that till steams me.  Carl Nicks.
The Jets are sitting there in the 5th round in 2008 and Nicks is dropping due to 'character issues'.  So the Jets pass on him and pick Erik frickin Ainge 2 picks prior to Nicks getting picked instead who was one big character issue from day one.

Looks like he lasted only 6 years don’t be to upset lol


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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

That one is real tough.  I picked Larry Allen as #1.

Only reason Allen ended up outside the top 5 in the metrics is that the first 5 years he was in the league, he didn't play LG (RT, RG, LT), with his best season of his career arguably being his 1998 campaign at LT.  But any G who can play LT at a high level is pretty awesome.

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42 minutes ago, bitonti said:

when it's all said and done Quenton Nelson will be the best LG of all time

so he gets my vote 

the Jets traded 3 2nd rounders and drafted Sam Darnold instead 

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Nelson hasn't quite played at GOAT levels so far (McDaniel, after all, was a 1st Team All-Pro 7x in a 9-year period, and his '95 and '98 seasons in particular were spectacular), but he's very close to jumping into that category and is still young.  So, yeah, I definitely could see him ending up # 1.  

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Show me another Guard who can do this while also being the physically strongest and most intimidating player of his generation and we can discuss the #1 slot.   Until then, it's not even a debate IMO.

 

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8 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

1. John Hannah

2. Larry Allen

3. Gene Upshaw

4. Quenton Nelson

5. Alan Faneca

Solid but I have a hard time putting Faneca (or Nelson) above McDaniel.  

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32 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Solid but I have a hard time putting Faneca (or Nelson) above McDaniel.  

#5 was between Faneca, Munchak and McDaniel for me.

I feel like Nelson has to be in the Top 5 already. I agree with Bit that he could very well be the greatest interior OL of all-time if he keeps up his current level of play for another 5 years.

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2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Leading up to the start of the season, I'll be posting a thread once every day or so devoted to determine the top 5 all-time at each position, as voted on by JN.

I am using football-reference.com's AV (Approximate Value) metric to help compare across eras.  The "Peak AV Average" means the average "score" for each player's among their top 5 performing years in the league, to help establish which players had the high peaks and which players were more of the "compilers" over a long career.  Utilizing a "peak AV" also allows for players with careers shortened by injury to be included.

Also note that AV only goes back so far, so some players from the earliest days in NFL history (primarily the 30s, 40s and early 50s) are, unfortunately, excluded.

 

Yesterday, JN voted on Cornerbacks:

 

 

Today, we vote on Left Guards!

Below are the candidates and their resumes, ranked in the order weighted by AV/Peak AV:

 

1.  Randall McDaniel, MIN/TB (1988-2001)

  • Career AV:  175
  • Peak AV Average:  17
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  7
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  12

2.  John Hannah, NE (1973-1985)

  • Career AV:  149
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  7
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  9

3.  Alan Faneca, PIT/NYJ/AZ (1998-2010)

  • Career AV:  140
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  6
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  9

4.  Gene Upshaw, OAK (1967-1981)

  • Career AV:  149
  • Peak AV Average:  14
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  5
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

5.  Logan Mankins, NE/TB (2005-2015)

  • Career AV:  129
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

6.  Steve Wisniewski, RAI/OAK (1989-2001)

  • Career AV:  138
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  2
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  8

7.  Larry Allen, DAL/SF (1994-2007)

  • Career AV:  134
  • Peak AV Average:  10
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  6
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  11

8.  Steve Hutchinson, SEA/MIN (2001-2012)

  • Career AV:  117
  • Peak AV Average:  14
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  5
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

9.  Russ Grimm, WAS (1981-1991)

  • Career AV:  92
  • Peak AV Average:  15
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  3
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  4

10.  Mike Munchak, HOU (1982-1992)

  • Career AV:  118
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  2
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  9

11.  Tom Mack, RAM (1966-1978)

  • Career AV:  123
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  0
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  11

12.  Doug Wilkerson, HOU/SD (1970-1984)

  • Career AV:  117
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  3

13.  Ed Budde, KC (1963-1976)

  • Career AV:  111
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  2
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  7

14.  Guy McIntyre, SF/GB/PHI (1984-1996)

  • Career AV:  92
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  0
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  5

15.  John Niland, DAL/PHI (1966-1975)

  • Career AV:  91
  • Peak AV Average:  12
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  3
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  6

16.  Bob Kuechenberg, MIA (1970-1983)

  • Career AV:  116
  • Peak AV Average:  11
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  6

17.  Quenton Nelson, IND (2018-present)

  • Career AV:  53
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  3
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  4

18.  Carl Nicks, NO/TB (2008-2013)

  • Career AV:  57
  • Peak AV Average:  13
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  2

19.  Mike Iupati, SF/AZ/SEA (2010-2020)

  • Career AV:  81
  • Peak AV Average:  10
  • 1st Team All-Pro Selections:  1
  • Pro Bowl Selections:  4

Just missed the cut:  Joel Bitonio, Josh Sitton, Billy Shaw, Mark Schlereth

Is there a reason Ogden and Munoz aren't  on this list?

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