Sometimes it’s hard to tell, but this is a site for Jet fans

[greenwichjetfan]

I read the board daily. My 1.00338 rate of posts per day since I joined 14 years ago might not show it, but I do. Too many times per day, actually. I know because my wife has very little idea of what an online discussion forum is, but whenever she sees green and white on my phone, she reminds me that I'm "wasting time" on "that jets site", and I generally agree with her.

The nice thing about having such a low posts/day rate is that one can easily go look up my posts and quickly determine where I stand without the noise of wasted posts. On record, I've vehemently disagreed with Jets brass about the drafting of many of our players going back to '06 - whether because I felt that they were simply bad players like Zach Wilson, or because I felt that there were better options at the position like in the case of Quinnen, or because I felt that the position didn't warrant a pick based on our roster and the outlook of the upcoming season like for Wilkerson. I sided with the ACM about Pennington, hated almost all of Macc's moves before it was cool to do so, and have also been critical of JD - though I really like the overall direction he's taking the team. I've rooted for losses in throwaway seasons even though the results don't favor that strategy - because objectively it's always better to have higher picks even if you don't trust the Jets to make the right pick.

All of this is to say that by no means am I against any form of constructive discourse with opposing views. However:

1. There is a faction of posters that have proven a strong inability to accept any non-positive posts, and will deride any poster or thread for sharing a non-positive viewpoint. Those guys ******* suck and need to go.
2. Conversely, there is also a small group of posters who have made it their entirely JN identity to only be negative and filter it through the facade of "objectivity". Given the sh*tshow this team has put on for us year-over-year, I look forward to coming to the site in August and allowing others' optimism to infiltrate my objectivity. I like the feeling of putting the past in the past, looking forward, and blindly hoping for Zach to succeed even though objectively he was the worst QB in the league last year and I've hated every moment of him being tied to the Jets since well before he was even drafted. It reminds me of being a kid again and being excited for the team. So while I find myself agreeing with the football content in most of those objective posts, I also think this is a Jets fan forum where people come to be fans. While I hope that everyone continues to post in the non-positive wherever required, I also don't think that every shred of optimism requires 5-10 reminders from each of the same posters of this team's failures. I don't see the value in that.  

Still, I think overwhelmingly, the best thing any of us can do about it is simply grow up. It's an online forum with thousands of strangers from all different walks of life, histories, personalities, and outlooks. Remember that the post that's got you all hot and bothered has absolutely no impact on your life as soon as you close your browser (bump, set...). If that doesn't work, use the ignore feature. I've never needed to use it, but it sounds like the next logical step. And if all of that doesn't work, put the phone/keyboard away and go eat a goddamn snack.

[Klecko73isGod]

3 hours ago, JiFapono said:

I just read all 9 pages.  I was scared of this thread for reasons confirmed and all I can contribute is this:

- The trolls these days suck. They're not original or deceptive or funny.  They're much more blatant and obvious and boring.  The trolls of the golden age were so much better and this thread is giving them way more credit than they deserve.

- thank god @Klecko73isGod is not a mod here and @CTM has disappeared.  OMG, could you imagine the 2 of them in this thread?  They would both be so obnoxious they'd end up just punching themselves in the face. 

- life is about balance, message boards are a reflection of life, if there werent fans on both sides of the fence and some on the middle, this place would be a bore and not real and we want fun and real, right?!?!

- censorship sucks, especially in this type of a venue but I appreciate our mods, especially @The Crusher and trust they can discern sincerity vs. troll jobs, well, maybe I'm giving a few of them too much credit but I dont have a choice, so, yeah. 

- the regular season will work some of this out, or not, probably not actually, nevermind. 

- some of you are way more intelligent than I thought, some of you are just as dumb as you look but I love you all just the same.

- Im embarrassed and apologize for ever getting worked up and angry and said or did something stupid to people on here over something stupid, it's an F'ing message board, we come for escape and to talk to our fellow Jets fans, lets be civil and we can all grow up a bit.  Ive been actively trying to talk to people here the way I would in real life (easier said then done sometimes) because Ive come to appreciate some very meaningful relationships I've developed over 20 years of this, you know who you are.

As the most level headed, just and fair, kind and accepting, knowledgeable and underrated poster on the board, I leave you with these words of wisdom; expression is one of life's greatest gifts.  Never change up who you are just to fit in.  Blaze your own path, unless you're lost in the woods, then, maybe follow a path if you see one but dont be surprised if you end up at a house with toothless kid playing the banjo and if you do, give him a chance, you never know, you might like it.

❤️ 

 

 

I'd ban all your asses.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Yeah the site has gone to sh*t tbh. What a nonsensical thread. The draft was genuinely insufferable and even as someone who liked it overall I got absolutely lambasted on here for any kind of mild criticisms towards things I'd already said I wouldn't like weeks/months earlier. Ironically it was the guy who started this thread who said I was just "being miserable" for criticising the Hall pick in the draft when I'd said as much months before.

I've been posting here since I was sixteen. I have stayed up until 4-5am countless times to watch this godforsaken franchise get destroyed and yet I've been called a troll more in the last year than ever before simply for criticising the Jets and the existing regime. 

The Jets have been objectively terrible for 11 years. Our GM of the decade is 6-27 since he had a full off-season. Zach Wilson may have been the worst starting QB in all of football last season. There are positives for sure and I hope we turn things around but to act like any and all criticism must be in bad faith is just ridiculous. 

See, this last part at the bottom is no less of a straw man position than any others noted above re: Wilson/bust.

Also iirc on draft day it wasn't that you didn't like the pick and merely informed us of it. That is a major an after-the-fact whitewashing of a post-after-post rant repeating the same thing, as though you'd made a single, rational post detailing why you believe the pick to be misguided. It was a tantrum (and given enough time following this team, we've all had them). Even still, you weren't banned for it. More like a reaction of "OK, we get it. your 10 posts about it in this thread will do; we don't need 10 (or 50) more." TBH the place for that repeated declaration of here's-my-opinion is another thread, not derailing a thread to the point no one else can discuss it without your constant interruptions.

But even with all that -- were you banned or something? Were your posts deleted? I think the answer to both is 'no' and rather it was just more like a nudge of:

 

TBH this is/was not about curtailing fans who are benightedly failing in the required optimism. Not at least how I read the OP.

It's was rather directed the small minority of people - most notably those he'd just banned - derailing threads to harp on the same point over & over, even if (or especially if) it has nothing to do with the topic.

There's always been negative posting here about the team, about individual players, coaches, GMs, ownership, etc. This exists for every fanbase, I'd wager. Well, bfd; there's been a lot of negative results, so it comes with the territory. 

Could be I'm seeing what I want to see, but if so then - in both directions - I think I've got a lot of company there. 

[Spoot-Face]

41 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said:

I'd ban all your asses.

Here's an artist's rendering of what that would look like:

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

2 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

I think its fair to have concerns about a QB who didn't have a good rookie year. 

I also think its fair to root for his success in year 2. 

It's not one or the other. 

We should know by December if we have a franchise QB or Mitch Trubisky 2.0 

I don't think that's necessarily true.  We may know if he is a bust if he is just terrible again. He could  But there are a range of outcomes that won't be evident by December. He could be Improved but we won't know if he is headed for a below average, average, or above average career for another year or two after this year.  That's just the way it is.  

[Biggs]

6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's was rather directed the small minority of people -

Every good authoritarian model is built on making an example of a few genreally dispised people.  I get that certain people are uncontrollable and need to be lobotimized or taken out back and shot to maintain order.    It's much more effective if they just disappear.  You don't have to annouce it through the town friar.  

[munchmemory]

23 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Here's an artist's rendering of what that would look like:

A Johnny Quest reference?!  Wow, does that take me back.  Loved the show back then.

[Sperm Edwards]

21 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Every good authoritarian model is built on making an example of a few genreally dispised people.  I get that certain people are uncontrollable and need to be lobotimized or taken out back and shot to maintain order.    It's much more effective if they just disappear.  You don't have to annouce it through the town friar.  

Meh, while (as I stated) it was most notably directed at those who were banned, it's also clear there were others who were doing a lot of the same thing.

The very point is we don't like banning people.

A fair warning to ideally prevent someone's future banning is therefore preferable to a policy of ready-fire-aim. 

[Sperm Edwards]

14 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

A Johnny Quest reference?!  Wow, does that take me back.  Loved the show back then.

Really? It bored the eff out of me. Like a break in the action on otherwise thoroughly entertaining Saturday mornings that would've been better-spent with another Scooby Doo episode.

[GandWFan]

29 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Every good authoritarian model is built on making an example of a few genreally dispised people.  I get that certain people are uncontrollable and need to be lobotimized or taken out back and shot to maintain order.    It's much more effective if they just disappear.  You don't have to annouce it through the town friar.  

*town crier.  Lol.

[Klecko73isGod]

43 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Here's an artist's rendering of what that would look like:

Okay, that was good.

[yvj]

The best part about this thread is the only way any of these issues can be solved is if the Jets win the superbowl. 

[freestater]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Slats, I love you, you know this. Consider the impact of what you’re doing here and which posters you’re emboldening. 

[Hal N of Provo]

was I ineffectively trying to get a couple alts banned?  Yes.  Do others occasionally lobby to get me banned or suspended?  Yes.   
 

It’s ok.  Hate the game, not the player.  
 

(Also not joking for a moment the most part it all works well.  I think most discussions have been good) 

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Conversely, there is also a small group of posters who have made it their entirely JN identity to only be negative and filter it through the facade of "objectivity"

Name names, you ****.

[Hal N of Provo]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Name names, you ****.

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, Hal N of Provo said:

was I ineffectively trying to get a couple alts banned?  Yes.  Do others occasionally lobby to get me banned or suspended?  Yes.   
 

It’s ok.  Hate the game, not the player.  
 

 

No idea why anyone would waste time trying to get you banned.  

You very clearly come with a timer, like a frozen turkey, and if/when Zach were to move on from the Jets, you'll be moving on with him.

I'll freely admit, I definitely have a (perhaps unfair) bias against guys like you Hal, who only join our community when some flashy college guy from the school they like and/or maybe attended gets drafted.....then disappears the second that player moves on.  

I'm all for bringing on new Jets fans, to be sure, but that isn't really what you are is it? 

You're a Zach and BYU Fan here with us only while Zach is here with us.  

Which would also be 100% cool!  As long as you didn't try and tell lifelong Jets Fans how we're supposed to feel or think ten minutes after you "join" us.

You've never seemed like a bad sort Hal, truly.  It's not you personally that annoys me, it what you represent as a sports fan.  The complete lack of any team loyalty.

If in some hypothetical world, Zach were traded to New England tomorrow, you'd be on a Pats board tomorrow.  It's sorta hard to like a guy who could so easily and so instantly become a Pats Fan as much as they ever were a Jets Fan.

If you think I have any of this wrong, I'd love to hear your side.  Maybe I've misjudged you, player.

[Hal N of Provo]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Name names, you ****.

I named the only names that have annoyed me in a long time.  And that was nothing personal.  Just trying to get slats to forum murder them them and I’d be insulted if they didn’t try to do the same now and again.

With the influence I wield here it’s similar to having a monarch butterfly decide to attack.   

[Hal N of Provo]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No idea why anyone would waste time trying to get you banned.  

You very clearly come with a timer, like a frozen turkey, and if/when Zach were to move on from the Jets, you'll be moving on with him.

I'll freely admit, I definitely have a (perhaps unfair) bias against guys like you Hal, who only join our community when some flashy college guy from the school they like and/or maybe attended gets drafted.....then disappears the second that player moves on.  

I'm all for bringing on new Jets fans, to be sure, but that isn't really what you are is it? 

You're a Zach and BYU Fan here with us only while Zach is here with us.  

Which would also be 100% cool!  As long as you didn't try and tell lifelong Jets Fans how we're supposed to feel or think ten minutes after you "join" us.

You've never seemed like a bad sort Hal, truly.  It's not you personally that annoys me, it what you represent as a sports fan.  The complete lack of any team loyalty.

If in some hypothetical world, Zach were traded to New England tomorrow, you'd be on a Pats board tomorrow.  It's sorta hard to like a guy who could so easily and so instantly become a Pats Fan as much as they ever were a Jets Fan.

If you think I have any of this wrong, I'd love to hear your side.  Maybe I've misjudged you, player.

I think you put words in my mouth regularly.  And skim my posts through the expectation that you know where I’m coming from, but I get it.  
—

Also I like your posts and appreciate the discussion.  I’m not trying to dictate posts or tones.   I get where people are coming from.  

[The Crusher]

Is this still a Jets site?   

[Spoot-Face]

34 minutes ago, freestater said:

Woah, never expected to see Ricky Gervais mention the New York Jets.

[Spoot-Face]

13 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

I named the only names that have annoyed me in a long time.  And that was nothing personal.  Just trying to get slats to forum murder them them and I’d be insulted if they didn’t try to do the same now and again.

With the influence I wield here it’s similar to having a monarch butterfly decide to attack.   

You sound like you'd be a good Mafia addition. Too bad JN Mafia is dead.

[Spoot-Face]

12 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Is this still a Jets site?   

No, it's a Wendy's.

[JustInFudge]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

❤️ you even if you stopped loving me.

[JustInFudge]

13 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Is this still a Jets site?   

 

[kevinc855]

1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

I don't think that's necessarily true.  We may know if he is a bust if he is just terrible again. He could  But there are a range of outcomes that won't be evident by December. He could be Improved but we won't know if he is headed for a below average, average, or above average career for another year or two after this year.  That's just the way it is.  

This is the same argument I heard from year 2 Sam darnold.

And darnold had a better rookie year then Zach to boot 

[Warfish]

13 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

I think you put words in my mouth regularly.  And skim my posts through the expectation that you know where I’m coming from, but I get it.  
—

Also I like your posts and appreciate the discussion.  I’m not trying to dictate posts or tones.   I get where people are coming from.  

Perhaps so.  I certainly have my own flaws, no doubt about it.  When I think I have the handle on a person, I admit, I sorta get set with "who they are and what they think".  It's sorta hard, I debate with hundreds of people here, so keeping tabs on who is who is sometimes a challenge, so the little tricks of forming pictures of them in my mind tends to help keep everyone I interact with squared away in my head.

And I stress, I don't think badly of you, like I said, you don't seem in any way a bad sorta.  It's MY Bias.

But be honest with me Hal, if Zach were traded to New England tomorrow, what would you do?  Stay here, with us, and root on this franchise.  Or become a Pats fan along with Zach?  If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong, and I'd have to reconsider my image of you.

[munchmemory]

59 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Really? It bored the eff out of me. Like a break in the action on otherwise thoroughly entertaining Saturday mornings that would've been better-spent with another Scooby Doo episode.

Scooby Doo?   We're talking about two different eras.   The Johnny Quest show I'm talking about was at least four or five years before Scooby, which sucked BTW.   We had very few choices back then.

[JustInFudge]

2 hours ago, Klecko73isGod said:

I'd ban all your asses.

KLACKO FOR MOD!!!  Get on the bus!

[peebag]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Really? It bored the eff out of me. Like a break in the action on otherwise thoroughly entertaining Saturday mornings that would've been better-spent with another Scooby Doo episode.

You are dead to me and your soul is black as midnight.

[Hal N of Provo]

29 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Perhaps so.  I certainly have my own flaws, no doubt about it.  When I think I have the handle on a person, I admit, I sorta get set with "who they are and what they think".  It's sorta hard, I debate with hundreds of people here, so keeping tabs on who is who is sometimes a challenge, so the little tricks of forming pictures of them in my mind tends to help keep everyone I interact with squared away in my head.

And I stress, I don't think badly of you, like I said, you don't seem in any way a bad sorta.  It's MY Bias.

But be honest with me Hal, if Zach were traded to New England tomorrow, what would you do?  Stay here, with us, and root on this franchise.  Or become a Pats fan along with Zach?  If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong, and I'd have to reconsider my image of you.

I tried to write a long post but lost it twice… shorter version: 

I’ve watched Taysom Hill highlights but the only game I’ve watched him play was against the Jets last season. 

My family was not into sports growing up.   I don’t have a “family team.”  I don’t have a local team.  I like having an NFL team, but i I wasn’t planning to get into the Jets.  I am not just watching for Zach.  I’ve never turned on an NFL game to watch a BYU player.  

[greenwichjetfan]

42 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Name names, you ****.

Don't worry, it's definitely not the last surviving adherent of the Mangaseinidzik.

[PorP]

3 hours ago, Biggs said:

Every good authoritarian model is built on making an example of a few genreally dispised people.  I get that certain people are uncontrollable and need to be lobotimized or taken out back and shot to maintain order.    It's much more effective if they just disappear.  You don't have to annouce it through the town friar.  

You have a town friar?..... fancy! 

[Fantasy Island]

4 hours ago, Klecko73isGod said:

I'd ban all your asses.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

was I ineffectively trying to get a couple alts banned?  Yes.  Do others occasionally lobby to get me banned or suspended?  Yes.   
 

It’s ok.  Hate the game, not the player.  
 

(Also not joking for a moment the most part it all works well.  I think most discussions have been good) 

2 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

I named the only names that have annoyed me in a long time.  And that was nothing personal.  Just trying to get slats to forum murder them them and I’d be insulted if they didn’t try to do the same now and again.

With the influence I wield here it’s similar to having a monarch butterfly decide to attack.   

 

Do you think it's perhaps a better option is to put posters on ignore rather than try to bait and then get long time Jets fans banned from a Jets forum? I mean since we're debating the definition of "troll" in this thread... that's pretty textbook.

If your posts are sarcasm, I apologize for missing it.