ZachEY Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 9 hours ago, freestater said: Watching Todd Bowles win his division and run deep into the playoffs is gonna be fire. Seems like the time for my quarterly “Todd Bowles was framed” post. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightattendant Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I'll admit I've been one of bectons supporters until now. I think he's played his last game as a jet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Please get help! Truly yours, ACD (another crazy dude) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Duane Brown is far better than most of you are giving him credit for - he's a more than capable T. The OL will be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 10 hours ago, T0mShane said: I mean, the standard answer is “we’ll wait to see what the medical staff says, but we’re obviously hoping for the best.” I do wonder if Saleh has a special enmity toward Becton that leads him to downplay his injuries. I just tried carving out $10 mil on Spotrac and I think the only way to do it is to extend CJ Mosley and spread out his money. Becton is obviously soft and Saleh thinks he’s an exaggerating baby. This might end up serious, but you can’t blame anyone on the Jets for rolling their eyes when he limps and rolls around. The odds of it being simple pain tolerance was pretty high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Becton is obviously soft and Saleh thinks he’s an exaggerating baby. This might end up serious, but you can’t blame anyone on the Jets for rolling their eyes when he limps and rolls around. The odds of it being simple pain tolerance was pretty high. What a dopey take. And if the CS had the same train of thought as you, they should be fired. You don't **** around with a player who is limping on the same leg he had surgery on less than a year ago. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: The only people who have commented on Bectons weight are the media and people on this forum. I can't think of a thing the Jets ever said as an organization that related to his weight, even when everyone knew he got out of shape last season. I appreciate you fighting this fight. But come on now. You can’t play offensive line over 350lbs and expect to remain healthy. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Post is too long. Take a lap. It didn’t work on @Sperm Edwards or @Bleedin Green, so I’m not sure it’ll work on me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Becton is obviously soft and Saleh thinks he’s an exaggerating baby. This might end up serious, but you can’t blame anyone on the Jets for rolling their eyes when he limps and rolls around. The odds of it being simple pain tolerance was pretty high. That’s pretty fu**ed up if it’s how that went down. How about someone going over to check and see wtf is going on? This isn’t the 70’s or 80’s and this wasn’t us back in high school doing two a days. Becton is an $18 million investment, I don’t understand how the CS and medical staff allowed him to stay out there the way he was laboring yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 hours ago, T0mShane said: Especially considering this is the second time he’s done this same thing with Becton specifically. That said, this whole “actually it’s a different injury than what we thought this afternoon” sounds like cleanup. Jets are a mess. I dont know whether to be impressed or scared by how perfectly you nailed this scenario that is looking like a lock at this point I'll be ponying up a $100 for a great cause. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Duane Brown is far better than most of you are giving him credit for - he's a more than capable T. The OL will be fine. They haven’t signed him yet, and he’s another LT. That would be a better solution if I thought either he or Fant would be good on the right side, but I don’t. I’ll leave the panicking to others, but JD does need to make a move or two here. You know who out there and still only 30 years old? Brandon Shell. I’d at least take a look at him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: I appreciate you fighting this fight. But come on now. You can’t play offensive line over 350lbs and expect to remain healthy. I think weight is relative to your height and frame, not what position you play. I'm just saying things are bad enough without making things up. Everyone should have been rooting for Becton to recover. I think this is horrible and a major step backwards for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecuadorian Jet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 he is out for the rest of his career 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: What’s a HC supposed to do though? Bectons health is a huge story, everyone saw him go down and ask what he was told. I guess he should lie and not tell the press, the fans, what’s going on. It’s a case of killing the messenger Not put he's bullsh*t positive spin on something that's tangible real and he doesn't know sh*t about. You know tell the truth. I'm not a doctor and he's getting an MRI. I'll let you know when I know. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, slats said: They haven’t signed him yet, and he’s another LT. That would be a better solution if I thought either he or Fant would be good on the right side, but I don’t. I’ll leave the panicking to others, but JD does need to make a move or two here. You know who out there and still only 30 years old? Brandon Shell. I’d at least take a look at him. I'd bring Shell in too. He can play at an acceptable starter level on the right side, which is better than we have right now. Seattle ran a Zone scheme too, so he should be able to get up to speed fairly quickly. He does have an injury history though, so the Jets would still need a backup swing tackle unless the rookie Mitchell is up to the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, More Cowbell said: I think weight is relative to your height and frame, not what position you play. I'm just saying things are bad enough without making things up. Everyone should have been rooting for Becton to recover. I think this is horrible and a major step backwards for the team. He never recovered because he never lost the weight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Trying to make either a poorly diagnosed and treated injury or simple orthopedic weakness as a morality issue or work ethic is pretty sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, ZachEY said: So, this largely falls in the behaviorism family - operant conditioning and whatnot - rewards and punishments. The literature on punishment is pretty clear - it's largely ineffective, and only works in specific conditions when applied properly. Behavioral rewards are a much more effective method of modification - this is shown over and over again. Add an NFL player as a variable, and the waters get muddier and muddier. They have a contract and they are paid ridiculous sums of money. That's a reward. That reward is coming regardless, in terms of guaranteed money but also in any other pay prior to a player being cut. So, some extra laps, being embarrassed in front of others, getting benched, etc. isn't holding a candle to the reward that is inherent in just being there. From a group perspective - society is a group of sorts, no? I'm sure you're well aware of how ineffective prison is as both a deterrent to behavior as well as a modifier of behavior. If denying someone's freedom is ineffective, why would extra laps for a millionaire be effective? Getting out of behaviorism and into psychoanaltyics - the most successful portion of punishment is probably in satiating the anger/desire for retribution in the person doing the punishing for the perceived affront. In other words, sadism. We punish not because it works, but because it makes us feel good to do so. On Parcells, we've seen periods of his career when he was successful, and periods when he was less so. I'd hypothesize that his coaching skill and his rosters contributed to this at a far higher level than his discipline. I'd suspect that his discipline was just a function of his personality and contributed very little. I also suspect, speaking of out-dated, that if it was effective at all, perhaps when Parcells did it, that the rewards (money) was quite a bit less, and didn't so easily override attempts at punishment. I think you have to be very thoughtful in this era of who you add to your team. And, probably just cut/trade guys who are malcontents. There was no fixing Jamal Adams. Getting rid of him and not paying him was the win of the trade. The picks were a bonus. And with all that, it didn't change Adams at all - because in the NFL, there's always someone else dumb enough to give you the huge reward. you left out one crucial reward...2nd contract. These kids like all kids believe they will live forever but some of the smarter ones get a taste of the 1st contract and realize the incentive to get the 2nd whether be with current team or next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Irish Jet said: A lot of people were bizarrely delighted on passing on a tackle high in the draft. I never understood how anyone could have the slightest confidence in Becton, whether it’s his fault or not. It’s been pretty ominous since going down early last year after being roasted in camp. I love Sauce as a player and think he’ll be great but you got to wonder if there isn’t some serious regret about leaving Zach exposed to this guy being pencilled in as a starter. It was going to blow up eventually. Because with or without Becton, this team lacked talent all over the place, and many were happy to add talent elsewhere? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Well least we know longer have to wonder why it took so long for him to come back. He obviously has some underlying issue with his knees or the initial injury was way worse than anyone thought, plus he’s a big dude and that doesn’t help on a weight bearing joint. Saleh pretty much down played it it both times, don’t blame him, I wouldn’t want to acknowledge it at first either in his shoes . So I guess? NMU! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 hours ago, freestater said: How ya doin', @JiFapono? Still running those becton-showed-up victory laps? lol - I'm not celebrating an important part of our offense's injury. I know its fun being right on the internet but doing victory laps about being right about, this no offense, it's kind of sad and pathetic. In what world is fun and cool to root for a 21 year old kid to get injured? It's a strange behavior. Supposedly we're all Jets fan, I'd prefer to have Becton healthy and playing well vs. not but then again, I'm basically never wrong so I dont know what it's like to be desperate to be right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 You guys trying to blame the coaching staff are being ridiculous. This is not on Saleh - Becton was just never going to hold up. His body isn't made for the beating a full NFL career will require. JD should have never drafted him. But it's fine, we can move on from this and we can pay a bit of a premium Brown and make a trade for another T with players and picks. There's talent available and we'll be fine. I trust in Joe. Since that first draft and off-season he's been MUCH better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Biggs said: Not put he's bullsh*t positive spin on something that's tangible real and he doesn't know sh*t about. You know tell the truth. I'm not a doctor and he's getting an MRI. I'll let you know when I know. He reported what he was told. You want to turn that into BS and a lie. He wasn’t getting a MRI initially. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightattendant Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Well least we know longer have to wonder why it took so long for him to come back. He obviously has some underlying issue with his knees or the initial injury was way worse than anyone thought, plus he’s a big dude and that doesn’t help on a weight bearing joint. Saleh pretty much diek played it it both times, don’t blame him, I wouldn’t want to acknowledge it at first either in his shoes . So I guess? NMU! Yeah gotta feel for Becton too. After all the fat lazy talk it sounded like he was doing everything right up until the injury. By the sounds of it his body just wasn't built for the NFL. He had a healthy career in college no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, Matt39 said: He never recovered because he never lost the weight. Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. He came to camp inngreat shape weight-wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 36 minutes ago, ZachEY said: So, this largely falls in the behaviorism family - operant conditioning and whatnot - rewards and punishments. The literature on punishment is pretty clear - it's largely ineffective, and only works in specific conditions when applied properly. Behavioral rewards are a much more effective method of modification - this is shown over and over again. Add an NFL player as a variable, and the waters get muddier and muddier. They have a contract and they are paid ridiculous sums of money. That's a reward. That reward is coming regardless, in terms of guaranteed money but also in any other pay prior to a player being cut. So, some extra laps, being embarrassed in front of others, getting benched, etc. isn't holding a candle to the reward that is inherent in just being there. From a group perspective - society is a group of sorts, no? I'm sure you're well aware of how ineffective prison is as both a deterrent to behavior as well as a modifier of behavior. If denying someone's freedom is ineffective, why would extra laps for a millionaire be effective? Getting out of behaviorism and into psychoanaltyics - the most successful portion of punishment is probably in satiating the anger/desire for retribution in the person doing the punishing for the perceived affront. In other words, sadism. We punish not because it works, but because it makes us feel good to do so. On Parcells, we've seen periods of his career when he was successful, and periods when he was less so. I'd hypothesize that his coaching skill and his rosters contributed to this at a far higher level than his discipline. I'd suspect that his discipline was just a function of his personality and contributed very little. I also suspect, speaking of out-dated, that if it was effective at all, perhaps when Parcells did it, that the rewards (money) was quite a bit less, and didn't so easily override attempts at punishment. I think you have to be very thoughtful in this era of who you add to your team. And, probably just cut/trade guys who are malcontents. There was no fixing Jamal Adams. Getting rid of him and not paying him was the win of the trade. The picks were a bonus. And with all that, it didn't change Adams at all - because in the NFL, there's always someone else dumb enough to give you the huge reward. Interesting post. My take on Parcells is he was a great teacher and surrounding himself with high quality coaches who worked very hard. In fact my take on all the great NFL HC's is they were simply smarter and outworked their contemporaries and surrounded themselves with like minded coaches. Lots of his motivational tactics and his approach to media was actually schtick and much of it tongue in check and funny. I think it helped in team building and he basically called out guys with schtick and guys who could handle it. It sent a message to the team and helped build the team. Most NFL players have been raised in a highly competitive environment. Many of them want to be great having nothing to do with money. Guys who are motivated by money have a lot to gain by getting a second and third contract. It's up to management to figure this out and deal with them accordingly. NFL players during Parcells era were paid very high salaries on a comparative basis. You have to go back to the 60's to an era when NFL players weren't highly paid on a relative basis. Even in the 60's coaches like Lombardi and Stram were simply smarter and worked harder than their competitors. There have always been malcontents who were talented enough to make a difference in championship quality teams. The Jets aren't there yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, slats said: They haven’t signed him yet, and he’s another LT. That would be a better solution if I thought either he or Fant would be good on the right side, but I don’t. I’ll leave the panicking to others, but JD does need to make a move or two here. You know who out there and still only 30 years old? Brandon Shell. I’d at least take a look at him. Surely I agree. And I'm making an assumption for sure - that JD will, in fact, sign Brown (who by the way is still 36 until Aug. 30th and went to the Pro-Bowl last year.) Will be a quality player for the Jets this year. When JD signs him he will also need to trade for another starting caliber T. Based on the facts - I have a pretty high level of confidence he'll figure this out. - I'm not panicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: He reported what he was told. You want to turn that into BS and a lie. He wasn’t getting a MRI initially. Yes he was. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, JiFapono said: lol - I'm not celebrating an important part of our offense's injury. I know its fun being right on the internet but doing victory laps about being right about, this no offense, it's kind of sad and pathetic. In what world is fun and cool to root for a 21 year old kid to get injured? It's a strange behavior. Supposedly we're all Jets fan, I'd prefer to have Becton healthy and playing well vs. not but then again, I'm basically never wrong so I dont know what it's like to be desperate to be right. It's not like people doubting Becton or asking for a contingency plan at tackle were glad that Becton is unreliable. It basically goes back to acknowledging the evidence (he's got maturity issues and weight problems) and understanding that you have to plan around it because either way, he was a long shot to play in even a majority of games in 2022 regardless given his pro injury history. It sucks, but this whole thing wasn't exactly unforeseeable. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just got something from the jets that they signed Chris glaser. apologies if that is old news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightBoyz Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 JD needs to pick up the phone & get Tackles in the building. I think Daryl Williams is the most logical choice at this point since he played RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Aside from 4 win seasons, I don’t see it at all. Are you seriously comparing Wilson’s rookie year to the one Burrow had? I’m not even going to get into the different level of competition and preparedness between the two coming into the league. Okay @Skeptable, I’ll bite. Explain to me what part of this post you’re downvoting, and if you have time, also point out the “eerie similarities” between us and last year’s Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hawk Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 I feel horrible for the kid and the effect it will have on the offensive line. The truly sad part, all the naysayers rushing in to say told ya. Congrats, hope it makes your day. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, Green Ghost said: Okay @Skeptable, I’ll bite. Explain to me what part of this post you’re downvoting, and if you have time, also point out the “eerie similarities” between us and last year’s Bengals. Don't bother. There are a couple guys on the board who relish downvoting. Some bizarre pseudo-power move. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt39 Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/04/building-becton-how-louisville-turned-mekhi-becton-into-one-of-the-countrys-best-linemen-in-just-one-year/ interwsting look back into his routine at Louisville. They amount of maintenance that was going to be required for him to make it in the league was never going to be possible. This pick is on Douglas. Too many flags. 8 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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