Merged Becton Injury Thread

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, derp said:

The Pats don’t draft that well on an individual pick basis, but they do an awesome job accumulating picks and obviously the coaching staff does a good job.

for sure 

[Jet9]

15 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Are you kidding... @freestater is all about that... so is @Jet9 and numerous others... I think you are underestimating the number of people that want JD and Saleh out.

Hey, if you're going to argue you should argue in good faith. I never called for him to be fired. 

 

FWIW, as a Yankee fan I think Cashman has been living off one legit WS win in 20 years. It's ok to criticize these people. 

[JTJet]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Losing Becton does nothing on the Duane Brown front.  Duane Brown is strictly for depth at LT in case Fant cant go.

There are 3 options here:

1- Slide AVT right tackle and plug in Herbig at RG.

2- Max Mitchell is the RT

3- Make a trade to bring in a RT.

Is this all part of that plan you keep talking about?

[ZachEY]

5 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I agree with everything except that Beli doesn’t draft major busts like this - he does but he just had Brady for 20 years to ride those waves 

Not arguing that Belichick doesn't draft a major bust... That definitely happens.  I'm arguing that Belichick doesn't draft this specific type of bust.  Bad attitude, low effort bust.

[derp]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Losing Becton does nothing on the Duane Brown front.  Duane Brown is strictly for depth at LT in case Fant cant go.

There are 3 options here:

1- Slide AVT right tackle and plug in Herbig at RG.

2- Max Mitchell is the RT

3- Make a trade to bring in a RT.

I’d be thrilled if Mitchell runs away with the job. Don’t think we’ve seen anything yet that makes that scenario seem likely? But that’d be great.

[freestater]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Losing Becton does nothing on the Duane Brown front.  Duane Brown is strictly for depth at LT in case Fant cant go.

There are 3 options here:

1- Slide AVT right tackle and plug in Herbig at RG.

2- Max Mitchell is the RT

3- Make a trade to bring in a RT.

[Bronx]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

2- Max Mitchell is the RT

Sign me up

[bgivs21]

Yes, they definitely suck. 

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

4 hours ago, munchmemory said:

The thing is blown.  Will just take a day or two to confirm.

Knee replacement surgery candidate by the time he is 30. No joke.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Not arguing that Belichick doesn't draft a major bust... That definitely happens.  I'm arguing that Belichick doesn't draft this specific type of bust.  Bad attitude, low effort bust.

Yes.

its no coincidence Belichick drafts so many Bama players

he can ask Saban anything and knows he will get the truth regardless of what Saban might share with the public about a player he coached in college

[freestater]

In all seriousness, I'm just concerned that JD gets good offset language before signing Duane Brown. 

[Larz]

No doubt. I think Dr yes is still on staff. 
 

the surgery and recovery is obviously open to scrutiny 

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Fair enough.  Kill it with fire was probably the right idea.

The other piece of evidence we have that Saleh runs a loose ship was Denzel Mims last year dogging it through drills so hard that Connor Hughes was filming it to mock on his YouTube channel at a few different points last season. If Connor Hughes is seeing this is unacceptable behavior, why is the actual coaching staff tolerating that behavior from their WR5 who doesn’t even contribute on specials? 

[LockeJET]

He already had the MRI and will miss significant time

[T0mShane]

Jets currently have ~$9 mil in cap space and they can save around $5.5m by cutting Rankins

[derp]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t think Becton is Saleh’s fault, per se, but I think Saleh handled the Becton situation poorly. In the scenario where Becton was as big a mush as we all think he was behind the scenes, Saleh and Douglas let it fester to the point where Becton clearly gave no sh*ts about anything they had to say. Belichick trades him for a fifth rounder after two practices with him.

Hindsight being 20/20 that would’ve made sense, but man Saleh would’ve gotten destroyed by media and fans for pushing Becton out after that rookie year he had. Probably would’ve been a tough sell for the Douglas too and imagine he runs the roster.

If they identified it early enough I bet they would’ve gotten a lot - another in the Darnold/Adams pile.

[Untouchable]

4 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Is this all part of that plan you keep talking about?

He somehow thinks it’s a better idea to have AVT play a completely new position and start Nate f*cking Herbig instead of just shifting Fant back to the right side.

It’s Joe W’s world. We’re just living in it.

[LockeJET]

He already had the MRI and will miss significant time

[Big_Slick]

26 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I don't think anyone is advocating for firing him at current. 

Not that I can see.

If Zach is a bust and we end up with a top 5 pick in '23 I want JD gone.

[jeremy2020]

If there's a failure on Becton, it's on two fronts:

1. Not recognizing his problems and drafting him expecting him to be something different. 

2. After that 2nd injury.. any sort of plan that involved counting on him in any way. The plan did seem to be Becton starting at RT which is a big whiff. It's been obvious that counting on him for 17 games would be an issue. He should have been relegated to "not part of the plan, but if he gets it together then ok, awesome."

There is no fault on the training/coaching staff that he has not performed and been injured. This is not a "he was coached poorly" or not given appropriate support. 

[LockeJET]

He already had the MRI and will miss significant time

[Maxman]

9 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Losing Becton does nothing on the Duane Brown front.  Duane Brown is strictly for depth at LT in case Fant cant go.

There are 3 options here:

1- Slide AVT right tackle and plug in Herbig at RG.

2- Max Mitchell is the RT

3- Make a trade to bring in a RT.

Couldn't think of a worse plan than sliding AVT over to RT. He had a great rookie season, they already moved him to RG. Leave him there and let him dominate.

[Maxman]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

If there's a failure on Becton, it's on two fronts:

1. Not recognizing his problems and drafting him expecting him to be something different. 

2. After that 2nd injury.. any sort of plan that involved counting on him in any way. The plan did seem to be Becton starting at RT which is a big whiff. It's been obvious that counting on him for 17 games would be an issue. He should have been relegated to "not part of the plan, but if he gets it together then ok, awesome."

There is no fault on the training/coaching staff that he has not performed and been injured. This is not a "he was coached poorly" or not given appropriate support. 

Hopefully Max Mitchell makes this all a non issue.

[Joe W. Namath]

4 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

He somehow thinks it’s a better idea to have AVT play a completely new position and start Nate f*cking Herbig instead of just shifting Fant back to the right side.

It’s Joe W’s world. We’re just living in it.

Fant isnt going to the right side.  At least im trying to come up with something plausable rather then your scenario which has 0 chance of happening.

 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

If there's a failure on Becton, it's on two fronts:

1. Not recognizing his problems and drafting him expecting him to be something different. 

2. After that 2nd injury.. any sort of plan that involved counting on him in any way. The plan did seem to be Becton starting at RT which is a big whiff. It's been obvious that counting on him for 17 games would be an issue. He should have been relegated to "not part of the plan, but if he gets it together then ok, awesome."

There is no fault on the training/coaching staff that he has not performed and been injured. This is not a "he was coached poorly" or not given appropriate support. 

Everything is underscored by him not being in shape. Carrying around that much weight was always going to be a ticking time bomb for an injury.

[Bronx]

Which one is the biggest bust?

[ZachEY]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The other piece of evidence we have that Saleh runs a loose ship was Denzel Mims last year dogging it through drills so hard that Connor Hughes was filming it to mock on his YouTube channel at a few different points last season. If Connor Hughes is seeing this is unacceptable behavior, why is the actual coaching staff tolerating that behavior from their WR5 who doesn’t even contribute on specials? 

In fairness, they essentially buried Mims last year and drafted his replacement this year.

[T0mShane]

Just now, derp said:

Hindsight being 20/20 that would’ve made sense, but man Saleh would’ve gotten destroyed by media and fans for pushing Becton out after that rookie year he had. Probably would’ve been a tough sell for the Douglas too and imagine he runs the roster.

If they identified it early enough I bet they would’ve gotten a lot - another in the Darnold/Adams pile.

It’s my belief that Saleh is a rah-rah, touchy-feely guy in the Herm Edwards mould and doesn’t really know how to lower the hammer on anyone. I think Ulbrich and LaFleur are like that, too. Touchy feely works on a lot of players, but he’s always going to have a segment of his roster who won’t respond to it. Becton was one of those personalities.

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

The season is not lost from losing Becton... that is just ridiculous

I didn't say it was.

[LockeJET]

Ghostlon

[slimjasi]

9 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Not arguing that Belichick doesn't draft a major bust... That definitely happens.  I'm arguing that Belichick doesn't draft this specific type of bust.  Bad attitude, low effort bust.

Fair - not his type of player 

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, ZachEY said:

In fairness, they essentially buried Mims last year and drafted his replacement this year.

Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

[JTJet]

Woof. Let's never draft from Louisville again. 

Louisville 1st rounders the last decade: Calvin Pryor, Marcus Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Devante Parker, Sheldon Rankins, Lamar Jackson, Jaire Alexander, and Mekhi Becton. 

How TF did we manage to draft the TWO worst ones? 

[slimjasi]

Gholston because of draft position.

Becton at least showed that he could play well in the league over a span of 10ish games. 
 

Gholston never made a play and was invisible on the field. Can anyone even remember a tackle that guy made? He was a ghost for real. 

[jeremy2020]

Just now, Maxman said:

Hopefully Max Mitchell makes this all a non issue.

This seems the best approach. Maybe sign one of the "old and bad fit" options out there like Daryl Williams or Jason Peters, but they should come in as backups and let Mitchell assume the starting position unless he's really bad at it then you have the insurance guy.