Merged Becton Injury Thread

[BCJet]

16 minutes ago, varjet said:

He needs to weigh himself everyday.  He basically gets ZERO carbs while he rehabs.  He needs to lose weight during this process.  

Couldn’t agree more.  
 

This whole situation is tough. Obviously no one wants to see any athlete hurt and by all accounts Becton seems like a “nice person”. 
 

Unfortunately he is paid a lot of money to do a job and doesn’t seem like he is doing what is required to do that job. I’m not a knee expert but it sure seems like less weight could have put less stress on the joint to possibly prevent the fracture. Being overweight in May and quickly getting down by camp is ok but it’s FAR from the right way to do this and likely helped cause this injury. Now, an organization of 100’s of people is at a disadvantage. It seems like more then bad luck to me. 

[JustEndTheSuffering]

Becton has always tweeted way too much. I think he’s trying to hard to show he cares or something. Whatever the case may be, he should stop typing and work on actually doing something instead of telling everyone about it. 

[slats]

1 hour ago, Big_Slick said:

If you get it wrong 10 times in a row it doesn't mean you should stop trying. Passing on a FLT when one is available is not the way I want my GM to build the team. JD needed to admit he was wrong with Becton and move on - but he drafted a CB and passed on Ickey.

If your team is in a draft position to select a LFT, after the FQB is in place, you take him.

 

1 hour ago, Big_Slick said:

It's a different game now - Revis would be flagged every play with his style of play. New rules that favor the offense and scoring TD's is what the NFL wants. This emphasis on illegal contact will reduce man coverage and devalue a true shutdown CB.

I disagreed at the time, and I disagree now. Even if Sauce wasn’t balling out in camp (he is) or if Ekwonu was (he isn’t), it still wouldn’t change my mind. Passing on the tackle was absolutely the right move. You can pretend otherwise, but CB remains a premium position in the NFL. Jets entered the draft with two starting tackles. It would’ve been dumb, imho, to spend a high pick on another one (especially after taking OL in the first round two years in row). I would’ve liked them to retain Moses or sign a similar replacement. To me, that was the failing here. They needed a backup OT. That’s not a position I want my GM using a top five pick on. 

I’m not interested in re-litigating it, though. It’s already done. I’m more interested in seeing what they do to fix it now. 

[Big_Slick]

53 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

your so-called franchise left tackle is struggling in camp, especially with pass protection, is behind last year's 3rd round pick on the depth chart and is playing guard.  obviously it is early in his career, but there were many concerns about his ability to pass protect and questions on whether he would hold up at LT

That doesn't mean it was the right move. and Give Ickey a little time and he'll be very good.

[nj meadowlands]

This is nothing that the mini-draft can't fix.

[Wit]

9 minutes ago, slats said:

 

I disagreed at the time, and I disagree now. Even if Sauce wasn’t balling out in camp (he is) or if Ekwonu was (he isn’t), it still wouldn’t change my mind. Passing on the tackle was absolutely the right move. You can pretend otherwise, but CB remains a premium position in the NFL. Jets entered the draft with two starting tackles. It would’ve been dumb, imho, to spend a high pick on another one (especially after taking OL in the first round two years in row). I would’ve liked them to retain Moses or sign a similar replacement. To me, that was the failing here. They needed a backup OT. That’s not a position I want my GM using a top five pick on. 

I’m not interested in re-litigating it, though. It’s already done. I’m more interested in seeing what they do to fix it now. 

Its the wrong move because so much draft capital was already used in that direction. The rest of the team needed building, and the offseason acquisitions and trading up in last years draft make it easier to plug is a right tackle this year. I think they still go linebacker early next year depending on whom is available and where the Jets draft. If its a terrible year we probably draft a QB anyways...

[HawkeyeJet]

Is it safe for me to come back yet?  I want to remain optimistic but this one stings.  Been avoiding the board for the most part the last 24 hours.

[jetblue95]

3 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

That doesn't mean it was the right move. and Give Ickey a little time and he'll be very good.

 

we shall see

i'm more confident sauce is going to be very good than i am icky will be, especially as a pass protector at LT

[Big_Slick]

28 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Sure, but the Jets now have a LT that was fine last year in protecting the QB - and even better if they bring in Brown who was an all-pro last year. 

The Jets OL will be fine - and now we have a potential superstar CB.

OK - the OL is not in bad shape IF we get Brown this season. But he's a stop gap solution and I regret that JD blew the opportunity to 'possibly' draft a 10 year LT and refused to admit his Becton mistake and took a CB - a much lower valued position with today's rules.

I also like Gardner but I'll hold off on the "potential superstar CB" stuff until he 'one on one' shuts down the WR's in the AFCE let, alone the NFL.

[DetroitRed]

35 minutes ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

Becton has always tweeted way too much. I think he’s trying to hard to show he cares or something. Whatever the case may be, he should stop typing and work on actually doing something instead of telling everyone about it. 

Twitter can literally ruin your life

[xJayce]

17 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Is it safe for me to come back yet?  I want to remain optimistic but this one stings.  Been avoiding the board for the most part the last 24 hours.

[Big_Slick]

29 minutes ago, slats said:

 

I disagreed at the time, and I disagree now. Even if Sauce wasn’t balling out in camp (he is) or if Ekwonu was (he isn’t), it still wouldn’t change my mind. Passing on the tackle was absolutely the right move. You can pretend otherwise, but CB remains a premium position in the NFL. Jets entered the draft with two starting tackles. It would’ve been dumb, imho, to spend a high pick on another one (especially after taking OL in the first round two years in row). I would’ve liked them to retain Moses or sign a similar replacement. To me, that was the failing here. They needed a backup OT. That’s not a position I want my GM using a top five pick on. 

I’m not interested in re-litigating it, though. It’s already done. I’m more interested in seeing what they do to fix it now. 

OK - we disagree - let's see how the season plays out. Shutdown CB is history with today's NFL rules and emphasis on scoring and a CB is a total waste of the #4OA pick.

Interesting how many fans are "not interested in re-litigating it" after their positions are proven incorrect and some of those threads get locked by coincidence.

[David Harris]

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Rank

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New York Jets

Previous rank: No. 24

 

The Jets hoped this would be the season in which Mekhi Becton would stay healthy and realize his immense potential. Instead, the former first-round pick's 2022 appears to be over before it even began, with a fractured kneecap likely sidelining him for the year. Back-to-back lost seasons -- combined with ongoing concerns about work ethic and conditioning -- make you really wonder what the future holds for the Big Ticket. As for the Jets, they have to quickly pivot to fill a massive hole on the right side of their line. Veteran tackle Duane Brown -- who visited with the team over the weekend -- is an obvious plug-and-play replacement candidate. The Jets never seem to escape August unscathed, do they?

[slats]

2 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

OK - we disagree - let's see how the season plays out. Shutdown CB is history with today's NFL rules and emphasis on scoring and a CB is a total waste of the #4OA pick.

Interesting how many fans are "not interested in re-litigating it" after their positions are proven incorrect and some of those threads get locked by coincidence.

I do not think my position is incorrect at all, and certainly not “proven” to be, lol. Neither does the league. Based on current contracts, here are the projected franchise tag values for next year (from OTC): 

2023 Projected Franchise and Transition Tenders

Position  Franchise Tag      Transition Tag

QB.          $31,497,000.        $28,337,000

DE.          $20,775,000.        $16,903,000

WR.         $19,985,000.        $17,518,000

CB.          $18,687,000.         $16,026,000

LB.           $18,291,000.         $15,723,000

DT.           $18,139,000.         $14,752,000

OL.           $17,811,000.          $16,257,000

S.             $13,996,000.         $11,787,000

RB.           $12,962,000.        $10,405,000

TE.           $12,466,000.         $10,560,000

ST.           $5,851,000.            $5,329,000

Really doesn’t seem like a total waste to me. Looks like a position the league values rather highly. 
 
Sorry if you didn’t like me locking one necro’d thread when we already had a merged thread with 20-something pages on the subject. Had nothing to do with avoiding the topic. The topic is here. That’s why we merge, so there’s not a few threads with the same people posting the same things.
 
The reason I don’t like re-litigating is that I find it to be pointless. What’s done is done. 

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, Biggs said:

He might not have a knee that allows him to play again. 

There's a lot to unpack with this.  The Jets seemed to ignore his discomfort and slapped a brace on him without having a clue what was going on.  We don't even know if a 320 Lb LT can play on that knee if it's repaired correctly through surgery, PT or a combination of both.  

This is just the start for Becton.  I wouldn't rush into a rehab program without seeing 2 of the top knee specialists in the country.   I wouldn't trust the Jets to manage it either.  Becton has a long way back if his knee will even allow that.  

I understand that. Even if his doctor tells him that he will never play again, I don't see him retiring and walking away from the $.

[FidelioJet]

33 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

OK - the OL is not in bad shape IF we get Brown this season. But he's a stop gap solution and I regret that JD blew the opportunity to 'possibly' draft a 10 year LT and refused to admit his Becton mistake and took a CB - a much lower valued position with today's rules.

I also like Gardner but I'll hold off on the "potential superstar CB" stuff until he 'one on one' shuts down the WR's in the AFCE let, alone the NFL.

They'll be a T available in the first round next year if he really wants one.

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Rehab is very difficult. Having to go through it back to back years for an injury on the same knee with all the uncertainty of what will happen even if he does do it 100% has to be a difficult thing to get motivated for. Maybe the guaranteed money is enough motivation. Maybe it's not.

I would seriously be questioning whether I was cut out for the NFL and if it was worth it to continue if I were him.

Not disagreeing with how hard it would be to come back. But if he stays on the team he also gets free rehab, food and shelter while he is in town rehabbing and keeps his salary.

 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

35 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

OK - the OL is not in bad shape IF we get Brown this season. But he's a stop gap solution and I regret that JD blew the opportunity to 'possibly' draft a 10 year LT and refused to admit his Becton mistake and took a CB - a much lower valued position with today's rules.

I also like Gardner but I'll hold off on the "potential superstar CB" stuff until he 'one on one' shuts down the WR's in the AFCE let, alone the NFL.

If we can hold off on potential superstar CB then we can hold off on a 10 year LT. We have no idea who they'll pan out.

I don't think he "refused" to admit his mistake. Probably wanted to take the chance and see how his former first overall pick does in his 3rd season and then evaluate next year whether to get a replacement or not. 

 

[Big_Slick]

14 minutes ago, slats said:

Sorry if you didn’t like me locking one necro’d thread when we already had a merged thread with 20-something pages on the subject. Had nothing to do with avoiding the topic. The topic is here. That’s why we merge, so there’s not a few threads with the same people posting the same things.
 
The reason I don’t like re-litigating is that I find it to be pointless. What’s done is done. 

No problem. Didn't mean to offend.

NFL is changing from the old days but we can still enjoy the season.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

All the physical talent in the world doesn't mean squat if you're not genuinely committed to your craft and mentally tough.

I mean could you ever imagine Steph Curry with a tweet like that?

Perhaps Joe Douglas should add maturity and mental toughness right below (or above) his "love of the game" pre-draft checkbox.

I was told getting flagged at the combine for weed was not a red flag.  But the real problem wasn't that he smokes weed.  It was that he was dumb enough to get caught.

At the end of the day, the GM has to take responsibility.  This was his draft choice.  The inaugural pick of his regime.

 

 

[southparkcpa]

5 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

I would have argued with you not too long ago about this. I won't anymore. JD's 2020 draft is Maccagnanesque. Not a single draft pick is a starter. The more you look at the draft, the worse it gets. 

Lots of guys ripped me a new one…..   green kool aid is a dangerous liquid. 

[Ron Rico]

I think it's safe to safe this guy doesn't want to play. 

[Skeptable]

2 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

OK - the OL is not in bad shape IF we get Brown this season. But he's a stop gap solution and I regret that JD blew the opportunity to 'possibly' draft a 10 year LT and refused to admit his Becton mistake and took a CB - a much lower valued position with today's rules.

I also like Gardner but I'll hold off on the "potential superstar CB" stuff until he 'one on one' shuts down the WR's in the AFCE let, alone the NFL.

Ekwonu is not a 10 year LT...  They don't even know if he can transfer to be an LT...  Jesus...  You are seriously overblowing this issue...  He might end up to only be a guard...  

[southparkcpa]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

I understand that. Even if his doctor tells him that he will never play again, I don't see him retiring and walking away from the $.

Who’s gonna pay him?????   I assume you mean the Jets. yes of course, but i think his career may be over.  

[Irktusk1957]

4 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

If you get it wrong 10 times in a row it doesn't mean you should stop trying. Passing on a FLT when one is available is not the way I want my GM to build the team. JD needed to admit he was wrong with Becton and move on - but he drafted a CB and passed on Ickey.

If your team is in a draft position to select a LFT, after the FQB is in place, you take him.

I don't know... If you're 0 for 10 picking tackles in the first round, maybe try the later rounds and use 1st rounds for something else, Like WR and CBs? Could it be that much worse?

[bla bla bla]

4 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

We'll have to disagree with the 'position of strength'. Counting on Becton was foolish.

I think signing someone like a Moses (Brown) would have been a better allocation of resources than assuming Becton was going to fail. There were certainly benefits to taking an OT from a negotiation standpoint with Fant and a hedge the bets standpoint with Becton. I just prefer the proven vet route over the rookie for this season. With Becton out, I'd look to hand a massive contract to Orlando Brown if the Chiefs can't figure it out with him. 

[T0mShane]

https://sny.tv/articles/mekhi-becton-out-for-year-jets-must-hope-it-doesn-t-derail-their-season
 

Pretty solid dissection of the Jets situation and failures with regards to Becton. This passage pretty much captures his sentiment:

 

“The Jets should have prepared for it. They didn’t. Edoga and McDermott are not starting offensive tackles — they’re borderline depth pieces. Mitchell might be some day, but he’s not now.

Whether Saleh and Company want to admit it publicly or not, going into 2022 without a Becton backup has them — 34 days before they open the season against the Baltimore Ravens — in a state of turmoil. They played tackle roulette and lost. Now, it’s time to scramble.”

[jgb]

Just now, T0mShane said:

https://sny.tv/articles/mekhi-becton-out-for-year-jets-must-hope-it-doesn-t-derail-their-season
 

Pretty solid dissection of the Jets situation and failures with regards to Becton. This passage pretty much captures his sentiment:

 

“The Jets should have prepared for it. They didn’t. Edoga and McDermott are not starting offensive tackles — they’re borderline depth pieces. Mitchell might be some day, but he’s not now.

Whether Saleh and Company want to admit it publicly or not, going into 2022 without a Becton backup has them — 34 days before they open the season against the Baltimore Ravens — in a state of turmoil. They played tackle roulette and lost. Now, it’s time to scramble.”

Look on the bright side, Tom, at least the QB now has a ready-made excuse if he stinks again.

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, jgb said:

Look on the bright side, Tom, at least the QB now has a ready-made excuse if he stinks again.

Honestly, I think the dam will break if the Jets start slow. You can feel it. This regime has run out of excuses. 

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

Who’s gonna pay him?????   I assume you mean the Jets. yes of course, but i think his career may be over.  

There is a very good chance his career is over. He just isn't walking away from guaranteed $ which he has coming to him from the Jets.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Skeptable said:

Ekwonu is not a 10 year LT...  They don't even know if he can transfer to be an LT...  Jesus...  You are seriously overblowing this issue...  He might end up to only be a guard...  

Ekonwu’s issue is that he wants to play OLT and the guy that Rhule wants to start there is a pretty intriguing prospect in his own right. Brady Christensen was Zach Wilson’s left tackle and he quietly had a pretty elite-level combine. They could play Ekonwu at right tackle, but Taylor Moton gave up one sack in 1150 snaps last season. 

 

[Maxman]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Honestly, I think the dam will break if the Jets start slow. You can feel it. This regime has run out of excuses. 

You have been a Jets fan for 40 plus years. You know the well never runs dry.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Maxman said:

There is a very good chance his career is over. He just isn't walking away from guaranteed $ which he has coming to him from the Jets.

If Becton opts not to do the rehab work to the point that they can’t even roster him next season, I’d imagine they’d come to an injury settlement like they did with Quincy Enunwa and send him on his way.

[Augustiniak]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

https://sny.tv/articles/mekhi-becton-out-for-year-jets-must-hope-it-doesn-t-derail-their-season
 

Pretty solid dissection of the Jets situation and failures with regards to Becton. This passage pretty much captures his sentiment:

 

“The Jets should have prepared for it. They didn’t. Edoga and McDermott are not starting offensive tackles — they’re borderline depth pieces. Mitchell might be some day, but he’s not now.

Whether Saleh and Company want to admit it publicly or not, going into 2022 without a Becton backup has them — 34 days before they open the season against the Baltimore Ravens — in a state of turmoil. They played tackle roulette and lost. Now, it’s time to scramble.”

I have a bigger problem with the situation.  I think even if becton played this year, he wouldn’t be that good.  I think he has sloooooow feet and would get burned even at RT.  We started to see it in training camp last year.  I think that’s part of the reason they moved him to RT - he couldn’t even beat out fant.  And if they really thought becton could eventually be the LT long term, they would not have moved him to RT.  We can talk all day and night about his weight, attitude and injuries.  But i think he would have been a liability at Rt in the passing game.  When saleh and his staff came here and changed the offense, it all but sealed the fates of mims and becton.  Neither is a good fit in this offense.  That’s why they moved becton to RT, so he’d be easier to replace than the LT, and are grooming a more athletic max mitchell to hopefully take over sooner than later.

All this said, their situation now is worse than if becton plays.  If there are no other injuries, they have 1 spot to fill, and at least they have real TEs this year to help out.  

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Maxman said:

You have been a Jets fan for 40 plus years. You know the well never runs dry.

I should clarify: this regime is gonna run out of excuses that the fans are willing to play along with.