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Why the NY Jets’ ceiling remains the same despite Becton injury


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Even with Becton available, I don't think this team makes the playoffs, let alone have a winning record.  

The bigger issue with that loss would be the growth of Zach as a QB if he's constantly running for his life back there.

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2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I call BS. The o-line had exceptional potential w/Becton on it providing a potentially dominant rushing attack. It's not terrible without him but are we really going to pretend like having a dominant rushing attack doesn't have a massive impact? 

I think Makhi was above average when running the ball but more below average while pass protecting.  All things considered I'll take the pass protection over running.  Overall I think we are a better team with Brown in the lineup.       

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Becton was always going to be a whiff.  The organization tried (and wanted) to make it work, but I think deep down they knew how it would eventually turn out.  It's best that it happened now so we can keep this thing moving forward positively.  Douglas has been everything we could of hoped for in a GM and, like another poster stated, the 2020 draft was a learning experience. He will be hard-pressed to make those same mistakes.

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21 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

I think Makhi was above average when running the ball but more below average while pass protecting.  All things considered I'll take the pass protection over running.  Overall I think we are a better team with Brown in the lineup.       

When he actually played as a rookie he was pretty good in pass pro until later in the season when rookies usually hit the wall. He didn't even give up a sack until like week 7 IIRC. People are going to think what they want about Becton, no point in arguing.

 

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2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

When he actually played as a rookie he was pretty good in pass pro until later in the season when rookies usually hit the wall. People are going to think what they want about Becton, no point in arguing.

 

Exactly. The idea that Becton didn't have a good rookie year is revisionist history. He ended up being injury prone and there are legitimate questions over his commitment to the game. But the idea that he couldn't play when healthy is unfounded. 

As you said though, it doesn't matter anymore. We're on to Duane Brown.  

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7 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

When he actually played as a rookie he was pretty good in pass pro until later in the season when rookies usually hit the wall. He didn't even give up a sack until like week 7 IIRC. People are going to think what they want about Becton, no point in arguing.

 

 

7 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Exactly. The idea that Becton didn't have a good rookie year is revisionist history. He ended up being injury prone and there are legitimate questions over his commitment to the game. But the idea that he couldn't play when healthy is unfounded. 

As you said though, it doesn't matter anymore. We're on to Duane Brown.  

He played under a different blocking system that year.  I don't think it's revisionist at all to say that under this blocking system (albeit mostly TC and preseason) he was being abused in pass protection.    

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31 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

 

He played under a different blocking system that year.  I don't think it's revisionist at all the say that under this blocking system (albeit mostly TC and preseason) he was being abused in pass protection.    

Fair point, although I sort of doubt that he was incapable of adjusting. 
 

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Total wash.  We got better at pass pro and worse at run blocking.

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Was really looking forward to watching Becton, AVT and Tomlinson manhandle guys in the running game.

We’ll still have a good running game but maybe less likely to be dominant.

Pass protection should be better though. 

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4 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

First, one must consider Becton’s position: he’s an offensive lineman.

The offensive line is the ultimate unit, considering any sport. It’s rare to see good to great offensive linemen in a terrible group, and vice-versa. Individuals go as far as the group goes.

This is some wild sh*t

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5 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I call BS. The o-line had exceptional potential w/Becton on it providing a potentially dominant rushing attack. It's not terrible without him but are we really going to pretend like having a dominant rushing attack doesn't have a massive impact? 

Brown is a VERY good run blocker.   We won't miss a beat with him

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5 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I call BS. The o-line had exceptional potential w/Becton on it providing a potentially dominant rushing attack. It's not terrible without him but are we really going to pretend like having a dominant rushing attack doesn't have a massive impact? 

Cool. Tell Becton to stop breaking and work hard n' stuff 

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5 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

When he actually played as a rookie he was pretty good in pass pro until later in the season when rookies usually hit the wall. He didn't even give up a sack until like week 7 IIRC. People are going to think what they want about Becton, no point in arguing.

 

Crap in one hand, and put potential in the other and see which one fills up first. 

 

Becton had 8 good games total, in year 3. 

 

Dude is done. And will be forgotten by 2024...

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2 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Crap in one hand, and put potential in the other and see which one fills up first. 

 

Becton had 8 good games total, in year 3. 

 

Dude is done. And will be forgotten by 2024...

Not the point. OP is suggesting we have the same ceiling without healthy Becton as we do with crypt keeper Brown. 

It's BS.

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Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

Not the point. OP is suggesting we have the same ceiling without healthy Becton as we do with crypt keeper Brown. 

It's BS.

A Pro Bowler and All Pro against a Never Was. I disagree whole heartedly, Brother.

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1 minute ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

A Pro Bowler and All Pro against a Never Was. I disagree whole heartedly, Brother.

Brown was all-pro 10 years ago. He's 37 and on the decline. 

We're talking about ceilings.

I know you hate Becton and all but his ceiling was massive. If Brown was still playing at an all-pro level he wouldn't have been a free agent in August. Get real.

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4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Brown was all-pro 10 years ago. He's 37 and on the decline. 

We're talking about ceilings.

I know you hate Becton and all but his ceiling was massive. If Brown was still playing at an all-pro level he wouldn't have been a free agent in August. Get real.

Dude was pro ball last year. He still has game

 

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10 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Brown was all-pro 10 years ago. He's 37 and on the decline. 

We're talking about ceilings.

I know you hate Becton and all but his ceiling was massive. If Brown was still playing at an all-pro level he wouldn't have been a free agent in August. Get real.

Have we heard anything from Zach in regard to lamenting the the loss of the big turnstile gamer?

Nope, everybody happy.  No excuses.

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6 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

 

He played under a different blocking system that year.  I don't think it's revisionist at all the say that under this blocking system (albeit mostly TC and preseason) he was being abused in pass protection.    

Totally agree with this point.  A 380 lb tackle is not suited for this scheme.  I’ve said on numerous threads but it’s the cost of changing regimes.  Bechton was drafted for Adam Gase’s offense.  Almost would’ve been better off trading him off of year 1 than try and change his game from power to speed and quickness. 

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great article.

i doubt anyone thought Becton was going to play more than half a year so how could losing him effect our ceiling. as the article says you dont need an elite OL. just a good one. and the person who will most determine how good it is is Zach Wilson. 

its no coincidence that the best QBs have a really good OL. its because they get rid of the ball quick. if Zach gets quicker then this line will be fine.

and as far as the running game MC1 avg 4.3 ypc. Coleman 4.2 ypc last year. Elliot with Dallas avg 4.3 and there OL is supposed to be really good. we got 3 returning guys and Laken is better than the Doctor he is replacing. Brown will probably be the same as Moses. i am not worried about this OL

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9 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I call BS. The o-line had exceptional potential w/Becton on it providing a potentially dominant rushing attack. It's not terrible without him but are we really going to pretend like having a dominant rushing attack doesn't have a massive impact? 

I think that's a fair assessment - the potential upside of that right side on running plays will not be the same.

I'm curious for the more savvy scheme fans if tackles or guards are more important for the wide zone. AVT and Laken are definitely legit in the run game, while Fant is far better in pass pro. Don't know enough about Duane Brown, just know he's got an excellent resume of durability and longevity in this league.

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like it or not becton is still only one player.  the key for the oline is for them to learn how to play as a unit.  they'll be fine depending on how long it takes to acclimate tomlinson and brown to the system.  and considering the olines that they've had in the near past, this has got to be one of the jet's best ones in a decade.  we'll see soon enough.

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14 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

You say probowl like it means something. Linemen get in on their name after a while. He used to be a top tackle. His ceiling isn't that high anymore.

He gave up the 6th most sacks in the league last year.

What was Becton stat line last year?

 

Oh, right...

 

His "ceiling" at this point is making it through 8 games in a season

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14 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

You say probowl like it means something. Linemen get in on their name after a while. He used to be a top tackle. His ceiling isn't that high anymore.

He gave up the 6th most sacks in the league last year.

He is going to be playing RT.  You are not going to move Fant for a guy who was giving up that many sacks.  And if he was solid in run blocking like the stats say, then he should be on the right side.

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14 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

A Pro Bowler and All Pro against a Never Was. I disagree whole heartedly, Brother.

 

14 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Brown was all-pro 10 years ago. He's 37 and on the decline. 

We're talking about ceilings.

I know you hate Becton and all but his ceiling was massive. If Brown was still playing at an all-pro level he wouldn't have been a free agent in August. Get real.

It’s time we recognize that Becton was a bust the minute he got hurt last year.  Brown is better only because Becton could barely walk, less practice.  Bectons conditioning was poor as evidenced by his 400 pound frame.  So on we go…. This team will only go as far as Zach and coaching take us.  We cant draft below average as we have for 12 years and continue to have any hope. 

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