Reasonable Jets Fan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, jgb said: Great organizations aren't great because they don't fire people. They are great because they hire the right people to begin with. You are conflating causation with correlation. Fired multiple super bowl HCs or ****ed around with them enough that they quit... So many that it's a running joke... So yes firing them too soon is a problem.... Bowels will be the next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 55 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: So they didn't draft a safety when they were playing a journeyman like Mac did??? Both Darnold and Wilson fell into our laps and we were so desperate for a QB we had no choice. If ZW busts we must look at ourselves. We haven't developed a QB in maybe forever. The last true durable QB was O'Brien? Can that be accurate. If you can't build it, buy it. FQBs are switching teams more and more. If BYU busts, we need a 2-prong approach. Play the draft lottery if you feel good about someone, but also bring in a legitimate veteran. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Fired multiple super bowl HCs or ****ed around with them enough that they quit... So many that it's a running joke... So yes firing them too soon is a problem.... Bowels will be the next That wasn't the point I was responding to. But ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, jgb said: Great organizations aren't great because they don't fire people. They are great because they hire the right people to begin with. You are conflating correlation and causation. This is right. We have hired poorly forever and THAT is on Woody. The 4 years he was playing house in London, this team got worse if that's even possible. Between he and his dumber brother Chris, can you imagine a worse ownership group? We are amongst the worst 4 teams in the NFL last 12 years and the kool aid drinkers here who won't admit it, are in fantasy land. JD's 2022 draft hasn't played a down and they act like JD is a savior. 2020 is a BUST, 2021 hangs on ZW and 2022 we will see. Saleh looks underwhelming as do some of his coach hires. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, jgb said: If you can't build it, buy it. FQBs are switching teams more and more. If BYU busts, we need a 2-prong approach. Play the draft lottery if you feel good about someone, but also bring in a legitimate veteran. Sounds great but studies have shown that bringing inn VETS works when you have a core of young drafted talent. You MUST have draft capital and we just do not as of 2020. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: This is right. We have hired poorly forever and THAT is on Woody. The 4 years he was playing house in London, this team got worse if that's even possible. Between he and his dumber brother Chris, can you imagine a worse ownership group? We are amongst the worst 4 teams in the NFL last 12 years and the kool aid drinkers here who won't admit it, are in fantasy land. JD's 2022 draft hasn't played a down and they act like JD is a savior. 2020 is a BUST, 2021 hangs on ZW and 2022 we will see. Saleh looks underwhelming as do some of his coach hires. I have no problem with people drinking the kool aid. It's their pack-like takedown of those who don't that is ridiculous since the evidence is plainly, indisputably on our side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, southparkcpa said: Sounds great but studies have shown that bringing inn VETS works when you have a core of young drafted talent. You MUST have draft capital and we just do not as of 2020. Listen I just want entertaining football at this point. That starts with a QB that doesn't blow. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, jgb said: That wasn't the point I was responding to. But ok. No but it shows that the Jets organization doesn't have consistency and they have fired many HCs that have won the superbowl after being on the jets... Hence giving up on them too soon... It exactly relates to your point but you do you 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: No but it shows that the Jets organization doesn't have consistency and they have fired many HCs that have won the superbowl after being on the jets... Hence giving up on them too soon... It exactly relates to your point but you do you My point was that turnover level doesn't predict success; success predicts turnover level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 see no issue with a trade to Cleveland even though we play them early(or any team we have to face)...Mimsy cant share any playbook secrets cause he obviously doesn't know it and cant comprehend it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: This is right. We have hired poorly forever and THAT is on Woody. The 4 years he was playing house in London, this team got worse if that's even possible. Between he and his dumber brother Chris, can you imagine a worse ownership group? We are amongst the worst 4 teams in the NFL last 12 years and the kool aid drinkers here who won't admit it, are in fantasy land. JD's 2022 draft hasn't played a down and they act like JD is a savior. 2020 is a BUST, 2021 hangs on ZW and 2022 we will see. Saleh looks underwhelming as do some of his coach hires. Not true... Chris hired poorly... And Woody kept giving up on coaches too early... That is an issue... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, jgb said: My point was that turnover level doesn't predict success; success predicts turnover level. My point is that turnover due to lack of success has failed by firing numerous superbowl winning HCs. Because they are given up on too soon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: My point is that turnover due to lack of success has failed by firing numerous superbowl winning HCs. Because they are given up on too soon. Oh, ok. Then I disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, jgb said: Oh, ok. Then I disagree. Pete Carroll, Herm Edward's, Bill Belichick, ... What is there to disagree with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Pete Carroll, Herm Edward's, Bill Belichick,... What is there to disagree with Well for one, Woody didn't fire Pete Carroll because he didn't own the Jets at that time. Herm never won squat after leaving the Jets. And Belichick wasn't fired, he quit. So, there's everything to disagree with your contention that "Woody kept giving up on coaches too early." 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 JDs phone still hasnt rung. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 hours ago, Team archer said: 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 42 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Sounds great but studies have shown that bringing inn VETS works when you have a core of young drafted talent. You MUST have draft capital and we just do not as of 2020. “Studies have shown”? Which ones? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Pete Carroll, Herm Edward's, Bill Belichick, ... What is there to disagree with 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 36 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Not true... Chris hired poorly... And Woody kept giving up on coaches too early... That is an issue... 34 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: My point is that turnover due to lack of success has failed by firing numerous superbowl winning HCs. Because they are given up on too soon. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 40 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: No but it shows that the Jets organization doesn't have consistency and they have fired many HCs that have won the superbowl after being on the jets... Hence giving up on them too soon... It exactly relates to your point but you do you Many? I can think of Pete Carrol. What other Jets HC went on to win a superbowl as a HC elsewhere? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, jgb said: I have no problem with people drinking the kool aid. It's their pack-like takedown of those who don't that is ridiculous since the evidence is plainly, indisputably on our side. The irony is... You and your group have no idea you're just as face up in the Kool aid.... it's just a different flavor. Your group is just as much pack animals and trying to drag everyone down misery lane with them. I know you try to justify your ridiculously too small data sets as "fact" while simultaneously ignoring anything that smells like an NFL standard or trend. But in the end... your opinion is no more or less valid than the optimists. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 46 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Many? I can think of Pete Carrol. What other Jets HC went on to win a superbowl as a HC elsewhere? As a dc Bowles just won one. Will he win one this year as hc? We’ll see. I didn’t like Bowles btw and wanted him gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, BurntDice said: As a dc Bowles just won one. Will he win one this year as hc? We’ll see. I didn’t like Bowles btw and wanted him gone Winning a superbowl as a coordinator doesn't count when you're talking about head coaches leaving and going on to win elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Not true... Chris hired poorly... And Woody kept giving up on coaches too early... That is an issue... Who has Woody hired that is above average and made a real impact? Who did he give up on that we should have kept? REX? After 2 years REX was toast. Herm??? Please. Tanny??? Anyone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Barton said: JDs phone still hasnt rung. And it won't. JD's Mims move was last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: “Studies have shown”? Which ones? I'm not here to educate the masses. Good response. You get my point. What team has had real success that has had a string of busts at 1st and 2nd round like we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, jgb said: Listen I just want entertaining football at this point. That starts with an owner that doesn't blow. This too..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, southparkcpa said: I'm not here to educate the masses. Good response. You get my point. What team has had real success that has had a string of busts at 1st and 2nd round like we have? How many years have we been here discussing bust players, coaches and the seemingly disastrous direction of the team in the pre-season? 2022 is just another example of failure instead of success. SOJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Post UK Woody is a top owner in this league. Hes been wonderful and has given Joe and Robert everything they have asked for. You guys keep living in the past and hammering Pre UK Woody. He doesnt exist anymore. We are lucky to have Post UK Woody as our owner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, munchmemory said: How many years have we been here discussing bust players, coaches and the seemingly disastrous direction of the team in the pre-season? 2022 is just another example of failure instead of success. SOJ. Im not ready to say 2022 is a bust. BUT we as fans have set the mark at what??? 6-7 wins?? Name ONE organization that is successful that believes 6-7 wins is a success. The acceptance of less than mediocrity by this fan base is numbing. Look at all the kool aid drinkers who bought Darnold jerseys, Wilson jerseys before they even through a pass. They are just simple passionate fans and they down vote guys like us who see the reality. We are a bottom 3 team. It's VERY simple. Woody is the constant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Joe W. Namath said: Post UK Woody is a top owner in this league. Hes been wonderful and has given Joe and Robert everything they have asked for. You guys keep living in the past and hammering Pre UK Woody. He doesnt exist anymore. We are lucky to have Post UK Woody as our owner. A true businessman would NEVER have turned a 4-5 billion dollar asset over to his unaccomplished brother. Saleh looks shaky.... JD looks average at best until we turn the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, PorP said: The irony is... You and your group have no idea you're just as face up in the Kool aid.... it's just a different flavor. Your group is just as much pack animals and trying to drag everyone down misery lane with them. I know you try to justify your ridiculously too small data sets as "fact" while simultaneously ignoring anything that smells like an NFL standard or trend. But in the end... your opinion is no more or less valid than the optimists. You couldn't be more wrong because our argument is based on math, statistics, and probability. We do acknowledge there is a chance he could still succeed. After all that's what a probability means. We are playing the odds but get treated like Jet-hating, fake fan troglodytes. If you think we've expressed an opinion in error -- that he has, unfortunately, an extremely high bust chance, which increased after his rookie year, then make that argument and tell us why you believe that. The amount of data and analysis that supports our position has been documented again and again on here. I've never seen any data whatsoever from the pro camp. Just hope. Which is perfectly fine. Fans are allowed to hope. But let's not call it something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 35 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: This too..... Better owner would be nice but we're in the Johnson family grasp, potentially for several generations. We get a new QB every 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 42 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: I'm not here to educate the masses. Good response. You get my point. What team has had real success that has had a string of busts at 1st and 2nd round like we have? I just wanted to call bs on the research you were referencing. I’m not arguing the point or subsequent questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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