Fantasy Island Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Cyberjet said: Araiza is not subject to punishment from the NFL because the alleged assault happened before he was drafted. Alleged misconduct that occurs before a player enters the NFL is not included in the terms of the league's Personal Conduct Policy agreed to by the players union. This will fall solely on the hands of Bills https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-punter-matt-araiza-accused-of-rape-in-civil-lawsuit-in-california/article_171ae48a-24c9-11ed-b936-13efce9cffa9.html BS, Goodell has to drop the hammer on Buffalo if they don't cut him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Why are you so upset? No one is twisting anything - we are just commenting on how strange it is that the Bills would take a chance on this guy at all. Take a chill pill. I’m not mad why be mad over donkey land drama? this is egg on the upstate donkeys face not the NYJ im just responding to you saying how strange it is, when we live in a world where corporations do and say boneheaded things all the time and have to pay out $ or issue apology’s this is nothing new and it goes back to my original point of this being about $ and people who can generate it Again no anger in these words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 If Buffalo has any integrity they’re bringing IK Enemkpali in for a visit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I resisted commenting on this thread because it could take as little as a few days before details come out that are damning or cast a shadow of a doubt on the accusation. It doesn't need to be said that the act he was accused of calls for the harshest of criminal penalties. We should probably put a lid on this until we get more details. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, oatmeal said: I’m not mad why be mad over donkey land drama? this is egg on the upstate donkeys face not the NYJ im just responding to you saying how strange it is, when we live in a world where corporations do and say boneheaded things all the time and have to pay out $ or issue apology’s this is nothing new and it goes back to my original point of this being about $ and people who can generate it Again no anger in these words Ok, well, I guess I'm just surprised that Buffalo's organization was this tone deaf. But I guess you are right - organizations make big mistakes like this all the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 i have to say Bills fans seem to be more human and asking for him to be cut. Unlike browns fans who have completely given up any moral standing to finally win a few games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 11 hours ago, DLJ said: Nasty group of young men. This isn't NFL suspension stuff this is straight hard core criminals who should be locked away for a long time. Get them off the street now please. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, k-met57 said: i have to say Bills fans seem to be more human and asking for him to be cut. Unlike browns fans who have completely given up any moral standing to finally win a few games. We have no idea if Araiza is innocent or guilty but we live in a country where you're supposed to be presumed innocent. Meanwhile, how many Jet fans on this forum were salivating at the idea of trading for Tyreek Hill, despite there being video of his incident. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensedoesntgetyoulaid Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: We have no idea if Araiza is innocent or guilty but we live in a country where you're supposed to be presumed innocent. Meanwhile, how many Jet fans on this forum were salivating at the idea of trading for Tyreek Hill, despite there being video of his incident. Well sadly we tend to justify someone's actions or convince ourselves of his innocence if he's more crucial to our team winning. It's easier for Bills fans to condemn this guy because he's a punter and we don't want anything ******* with our feel good vibes before the season. Would we be so quick to call for a cut if Josh Allen were accused of something? I'm not so sure. It goes back to what I said about the way teams generally deal with this stuff. So often 2nd stringers or scrubs get cut for DUI or similar cases, but we rarely hear about them because the player isn't a big name. Team are always quick to cut these guys and then spout the usual "we don't condone such behavior" BS. When it's a big name like Watson or Peterson or Hill they're a lot slower to act, and fans are a lot more likely to forgive and forget. When Watson got his original 6 game suspension there were so many Browns fans on social media saying "there it is, no let's move on". Pretty disgusting really 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, defensedoesntgetyoulaid said: Would we be so quick to call for a cut if Josh Allen were accused of something? I'm not so sure. Agreed. I am pretty sure actually. People would be a lot more patient waiting for evidence. That aside, though, it bothers me a lot when people automatically just think "he's guilty". Do people have no memory of the Duke Lacrosse case? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: We have no idea if Araiza is innocent or guilty but we live in a country where you're supposed to be presumed innocent. Meanwhile, how many Jet fans on this forum were salivating at the idea of trading for Tyreek Hill, despite there being video of his incident. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, k-met57 said: no That's suspicious but still doesn't prove anything. For example, maybe they did have sex but it was consensual. It's possible there was a frame-up (e.g. maybe she threatened to make up a story about him if he didn't pay her money) and he suspected he was being set up so he said he didn't remember anything as a way of protecting himself. In addition to Duke lacrosse, Michael Irvin was once also falsely accused of rape (see link below). Considering we live in a "believe all women" era, it only makes it that much easier to accuse a man of anything. I'm not saying she's lying btw. I'm just saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions before the facts are in. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-sb-lauderdale-michael-irvin-rape-case-dropped-20170724-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: That's suspicious but still doesn't prove anything. For example, maybe they did have sex but it was consensual. It's possible there was a frame-up (e.g. maybe she threatened to make up a story about him if he didn't pay her money) and he suspected he was being set up so he said he didn't remember anything as a way of protecting himself. In addition to Duke lacrosse, Michael Irvin was once also falsely accused of rape (see link below). Considering we live in a "believe all women" era, it only makes it that much easier to accuse a man of anything. I'm not saying she's lying btw. I'm just saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions before the facts are in. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-sb-lauderdale-michael-irvin-rape-case-dropped-20170724-story.html you can't have consensual sex with a minor, that's not a thing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, k-met57 said: you can't have consensual sex with a minor, that's not a thing. Didn't realize she was a minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CanadaSteve Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Okay....Not trying to stir the pot. The people involved cannot be tried in the court of public opinion. So . . . justice system, do your thing, and for God's sake, do it right if those accused are indeed guilty! THAT SAID: WHY, in 2022, are we STILL having issues figuring this out? Perhaps this can be posted elsewhere, but its really simple: IF it looks like intimacy with a partner is moving toward a 'thumbs up,' ASK the partner if they are interested. 1) IF they say yes, proceed. 2) IF they do NOT say yes, DO NOT PROCEED. 3) IF you do not ask question 1, DO NOT TOUCH your partner until you do! 4) IF they are not of age to have consensual sex, THEN WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE TO ASK QUESTION 1! I mean, really. How hard is this to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 28 minutes ago, k-met57 said: you can't have consensual sex with a minor, that's not a thing. HONEST QUESTION: What if both people are minors? I don't think they charge either. Obviously different story when one is a minor and one is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, CanadaSteve said: Okay....Not trying to stir the pot. The people involved cannot be tried in the court of public opinion. So . . . justice system, do your thing, and for God's sake, do it right if those accused are indeed guilty! THAT SAID: WHY, in 2022, are we STILL having issues figuring this out? Perhaps this can be posted elsewhere, but its really simple: IF it looks like intimacy with a partner is moving toward a 'thumbs up,' ASK the partner if they are interested. 1) IF they say yes, proceed. 2) IF they do NOT say yes, DO NOT PROCEED. 3) IF you do not ask question 1, DO NOT TOUCH your partner until you do! I mean, really. How hard is this to understand? Agreed ... but this goes WAY BEYOND unconsentual sex with a minor. If the charges prove out ... geez ... read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: HONEST QUESTION: What if both people are minors? I don't think they charge either. Obviously different story when one is a minor and one is not. Depends on the state. Very different in some places. I believe that in some places that even at the age of consent if it is below 18 or maybe even 18 that it can still be statuary if the older person is above a certain age. For same age I believe it can still be considered illegal even for the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Didn't realize she was a minor. So the guy saying we should wait for all the facts can't be bothered to read the ones we know... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 18 hours ago, nycdan said: This is blowing up right now. The Bills apparently knew about it before they cut Haack. They tweeted that they conducted a 'thorough investigation'. That's going to look really bad by tomorrow as the anecdotal story is piling up to look really bad. Even if just statutory rape, it's a felony and I saw a tweet (blue check) that he admitted it on a call with her recorded by the police. But what I'm seeing on Twitter (admittedly not verified) makes it look like it's going to be a lot worse than that. Huh? Why wasn’t he arrested immediately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 40 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Agreed ... but this goes WAY BEYOND unconsentual sex with a minor. If the charges prove out ... geez ... read the article. The university should be held accountable. But this is NOT surprising in the least. Places that make LOTS of money don't like egg on their faces, and do everything they can to make sure it stays clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 What was described was disgusting, and if true should lead to castration not just as punishment for them, but to keep them from further contaminating the gene pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I don’t understand why he wouldn’t have been arrested after 7 months if what was written is true. Even if it isn’t true it’s still statutory rape since Arizona’s age of consent is 18. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, New York Mick said: I don’t understand why he wouldn’t have been arrested after 7 months if what was written is true. Even if it isn’t true it’s still statutory rape since Arizona’s age of consent is 18. California but same thing. There's enough bad optics to go around on this. SDSU, local police, BUF front office. You know how the Internet gets with this kind of stuff. It won't let up until heads roll (as they almost certainly should). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, nycdan said: California but same thing. There's enough bad optics to go around on this. SDSU, local police, BUF front office. You know how the Internet gets with this kind of stuff. It won't let up until heads roll (as they almost certainly should). Does California still charge people with crimes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Between the Stanford kid and this case, it sure doesn't seem like there's any sense of urgency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: So the guy saying we should wait for all the facts can't be bothered to read the ones we know... Correct. I'm not an expert on this case. But people seem to be jumping to conclusions before the guy has even been tried. There were plenty of disturbing signs in the Duke lacrosse case before the trial too. One player sent a "damning email" about killing strippers. But it turned out to be a quote from the movie "American Psycho". https://www.businessinsider.com/espn-30for30-documentary-duke-lacrosse-scandal-2016-3?op=1#maybe-the-most-telling-quote-in-the-entire-documentary-comes-when-a-reporter-for-a-durham-newspaper-is-asked-the-simple-question-how-did-this-happen-his-silence-is-deafening-13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 5 hours ago, ZachEY said: If Buffalo has any integrity they’re bringing IK Enemkpali in for a visit. Ha! "We'll handle this in the locker room as a team." Oh, so THAT's how it will be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Araiza is a POS and I hope him and those other animals get 20 years each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 8 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Agreed. I am pretty sure actually. People would be a lot more patient waiting for evidence. That aside, though, it bothers me a lot when people automatically just think "he's guilty". Do people have no memory of the Duke Lacrosse case? Duke case was different. It was primarily racial with the media and politicians trying to destroy those kids. Plus it was all fabricated. This case has a statutory rape angle so it doesn’t make a bit of difference whether it was consensual. Now if none of this happened then that’s a whole different story but I don’t think that’s the case 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 7 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Agreed. I am pretty sure actually. People would be a lot more patient waiting for evidence. That aside, though, it bothers me a lot when people automatically just think "he's guilty". Do people have no memory of the Duke Lacrosse case? These things are always tough in the beginning. When it comes to privileged athletes, I tend to believe the accuser. He’ll get his day in court when this all plays out. I know that’s backwards and I understand anyone being bothered by that pov. For me, it’s not an issue of forgetting the Duke Lacrosse case, it’s remembering the Brock Turner case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 6 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Correct. I'm not an expert on this case. But people seem to be jumping to conclusions before the guy has even been tried. There were plenty of disturbing signs in the Duke lacrosse case before the trial too. One player sent a "damning email" about killing strippers. But it turned out to be a quote from the movie "American Psycho". https://www.businessinsider.com/espn-30for30-documentary-duke-lacrosse-scandal-2016-3?op=1#maybe-the-most-telling-quote-in-the-entire-documentary-comes-when-a-reporter-for-a-durham-newspaper-is-asked-the-simple-question-how-did-this-happen-his-silence-is-deafening-13 He admitted he slept with a 17 year old. He’s a criminal who should be cut and arrested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Cyberjet said: Duke case was different. It was primarily racial with the media and politicians trying to destroy those kids. Plus it was all fabricated. This case has a statutory rape angle so it doesn’t make a bit of difference whether it was consensual. Now if none of this happened then that’s a whole different story but I don’t think that’s the case The Durham Prosecutor basically lied to the press too IIRC and the trust level with US institutions was higher back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 On 8/25/2022 at 8:05 PM, Larz said: Lock the thread before I have to hunt someone down and kill them for blaming the girl Not blaming the girl, at all, but the image associated with "gang raping an underage girl" may or may not match whatever happened - but that guy is already guilty of the very worst in most people's minds. The only lesson is to instill enough character into our sons and daughters to live lives that steer away from dangerous behavior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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