How much more time should Joe Douglas have?

[DjHoldyHold]

As we know, the Jets have been bad. However, over the last few seasons, the bottom of our roster has gotten significantly better, and the middle of our roster has added more legitimate NFL talent. It's apparent Douglas' strategy has been to build up the roster from the ground up, improving the worst players of our team through draft picks and moderate FA signings. I like this approach, and we should be in great shape with a decent roster assuming this years picks pan out. How much time would you give Douglas to keep building this roster? I would give him 2-3 years after this season to allow him to keep filling up our roster. If Wilson hits, we should be competitive. If not, we would be in the market for a QB to walk into a great situation, like Lance, Russel Wilson, and Stafford.

[peebag]

He's got to hit on a QB sooner than later or he'll be a walking.

[Biggs]

He gets one more QB and HC.  

[FootballLove]

20 years. Not one day more.

[tommyduhamelshouse]

A LOT MORE TIME

BEST GM in 40 years.

[playtowinthegame]

Need to see the MOV improve significantly this season or both GM and head coach will be cleared out for Sean Payton and whoever he wants to be GM. 

[bostonmajet]

Article after article have described the Jets' change in roster quality as an example for others and amazing. We had 7 cut players signed by other teams which may be a record. That doesn't include the 4 that were signed in the previous cut down. There are  still some holes in the team: OL, S, LB, and backup QB and maybe starting QB. He gets at least another couple of years before this question even comes up.

[FootballLove]

He's done great building the roster, however he's had ENORMOUS fire power, with top draft picks to multiple first and second round picks, plus a sh*t ton of cap space. But with all that, he's done great.

But as our team matures, he'll be picking one player at or near the bottom of each round. So then the question becomes "How well can JD maintain or even improve an already good roster with little draft capital? How well will he manage the cap when all this talent comes due?

The answer is probably right before our eyes.....Joe Douglas' career will go as Zack Wilson's career goes. If ZW is truly a FQB, then the next decade will be a sweet ride. If not, we know how this plays out.

[GreenFish]

I think he has earned the opportunity to see his contract through.

[derp]

Honestly I think it depends a lot how this draft class shakes out this year, and how last year’s looks. He’s done some conventional stuff with mixed results and some unconventional stuff that’s still up in the air. The team is a lot more talented than it was, though that’s a low bar.

 Things move fast in this business. This season could break in a way that Douglas becomes an icon, and this season could break in a way that the last two classes look like the 2020 class does now. A lot of the guys from the last two classes are promising, but Mims and Becton were guys folks thought might be building blocks what, 14 months ago?

[section314]

Really is up to Zach at this point. The talent level pretty much across the rest of the team is way better. That’s his doing. In reality, Zach is the 2nd  1st rd pick JD has made a decision on. Darnold was his first, and he made the right move in trading  him. Zach is his 2nd, and hopefully he will be a successful decision as well.

[Obrien2Toon]

41 minutes ago, FootballLove said:

20 years. Not one day more.

They gave Bradway about that, with nothing to show for it

so why not JD

[ganggreen305]

Regardless of the Zach future outcome, he deserves more time.  The guy has been amazing.

[TuscanyTile2]

38 minutes ago, FootballLove said:

He's done great building the roster, however he's had ENORMOUS fire power, with top draft picks to multiple first and second round picks, plus a sh*t ton of cap space. But with all that, he's done great.

He created that though (e.g. Jamal trade, careful spending)

[Phillyjet]

QB is still the most important position, and there is a bit of luck with that too.  It's a crapshoot.  He has proven he can build a roster, but taking that next step requires some things falling our way.  If Saleh sh*ts the bed, I would absolutely let Joe hire the next coach.  He should be extended... people underestimate the value of continuity, and Joe is creating continuity in the front office... and more important respect for our front office.  He will get things wrong, miss on picks or acquisitions... but it would hard to argue that from a personnel standpoint that we haven't improved.  It's now on Saleh to continue developing the players and show progress on the field as a team. 

[Paradis]

If project Wilson is a hot mess this year, he'll get a chance to figure it out, though likely not at the expense of another top 5 draft pick QB...

Not sure what kind of FA QB would be enough though... We'd have to be one of the unlikely suitors of a Rus Wilson type situation. Not sure who that would be in '23... Kyler Murray?  The NFC is wildly devoid of FQBs. Lamar situation goes nowhere in BAL maybe this year?... Carr.... eh. 

[NIGHT STALKER]

Good question.  It takes time to rebuild a team and he's pretty close to be having "Joe Douglas's" team.  Another couple of years and if ZW isn't leading his team, I wouldn't be surprised if JD swings a major trade for a QB because drafting another one would take too long.

[Jetsfan80]

10 minutes ago, Paradis said:

If project Wilson is a hot mess this year, he'll get a chance to figure it out, though likely not at the expense of another top 5 draft pick QB...

Not sure what kind of FA QB would be enough though... We'd have to be one of the unlikely suitors of a Rus Wilson type situation. Not sure who that would be in '23... Kyler Murray?  The NFC is wildly devoid of FQBs. Lamar situation goes nowhere in BAL maybe this year?... Carr.... eh. 

Kirk Cousins will be available in 2024....

Ugh.

[C Mart]

Why is this even a topic / question?  

Why aren’t people looking forward to the 2022 season?  Why aren’t people excited to see all the 1st and 2nd yr players?  Just mind boggling. 

[JohnnyLV]

We had 11 players claimed that we released. I think it's most ever. If we fail it is not going to be because of our scouting staff or our GM. I see no reason to get rid of JD at all.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 hour ago, Biggs said:

He gets one more QB and HC.  

Pretty much. He's not perfect, but he's done enough that this team should be competitive. I would think he goes the veteran QB route if Wilson doesn't work out. Garappolo seems like the obvious choice. After that...Tannehill?? No idea. 

[Jet9]

I keep seeing things said like 'He's improved our roster '. He has? WR is good now. OL, LB and DB are awful. Doesn't an improved roster get called such because of wins? In team sports what other defining metric is there? It's like people are trying to use The Force on me to get their point across. I think some people are still stuck in the days of '5-year plan', as well. 

 

'I love our GM!'

 

'We lost again.'

 

'Hater!'

 

Nah, wins are actual things, guys. 

[65 Toss Power Trap]

He seems like he knows what he's doing, barring some mistakes (e.g. 2020 draft).

But he will forever be tied to how ZW pans out.

[Warfish]

At least 2022.

Once we have hard results for 2022, that is the time to decide the future.

1. Do we dump Zach, JD's chosen QB.

2. Do we dump Saleh, JD's chosen Head Coach.

3. How are JD's well regarded picks actually playing/producing.  I.e. Like Becton, time can remove the shine off exciting high-upside picks if they fail to play or play well.

I would presume JD would get at least thru end of 2023 before being fired if the team and it's results do not turn around.

But if 2022 is a total poopshow, 3-4 wins, worst-QB-in-NFL type year, he and Saleh could conceivably both be fired at years end.

[slimjasi]

7 minutes ago, Jet9 said:

I keep seeing things said like 'He's improved our roster '. He has? 

[#27TheDominator]

Just now, Jet9 said:

I keep seeing things said like 'He's improved our roster '. He has? WR is good now. OL, LB and DB are awful. Doesn't an improved roster get called such because of wins? In teams sports what other defining metric is there? It's like people are trying to use The Force on me to get their point across. I think some people are still stuck in the days of '5-year plan', as well. 

 

'I love our GM!'

 

'We lost again.'

 

'Hater!'

 

Nah, wins are actual things, guys. 

OL and DB are awful?  Based on what?  The O line wasn't even awful last season and it had a HUGE upgrade in Tomlinson for LDT/Van Roten and a smaller upgrade in Brown for. Moses.  Our DBs were not good last year, but they only lost Maye and added Sauce, Reed, Whitehead and have Joyner coming back from injury.   If they are awful, I will assert that it is more scheme than talent.  I agree that we need to see wins, but much of that is on coaching and QB - yes the GM is on the hook for those things too. 

[Kleckineau]

This may be his make or break year.

Especially in light of the Becton and Wilson picks  oh and that win - loss record ?

He needs wins and not just 5 or 6.

If Wilson can stay on the field and show significant progress and the most recent draft picks produce he will be safe.

If not he should go and Saleh should probably exit with him.

[LIJetsFan]

♾️, OP, ♾️

[IndianaJet]

If we don't win the SuperBowl this weekend, he should be gone.

Make

It

Happen

Tanny

[David Harris]

1 hour ago, tommyduhamelshouse said:

A LOT MORE TIME

BEST GM in 40 years.

I'd give him a 10 year extension right now.

I don't care if Zach Wilson busts - a GM can't really control that - you make the best decision you can during acquisition. 

You want a GM that has a sound decision making process, is smart with the cap, and maximizes assets - check, check, check

 

Many are hedging waiting on results - totally fair.  I've seen enough to know this is the best GM in our history.

[Fantasy Island]

25 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Why is this even a topic / question?  

Why aren’t people looking forward to the 2022 season?  Why aren’t people excited to see all the 1st and 2nd yr players?  Just mind boggling. 

You got a scrapper who should get a chance to start, you have a 2nd year QB that hasn't shown any progress, and you have a vet that has seen his better days in a rearview mirror.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

52 minutes ago, Paradis said:

If project Wilson is a hot mess this year, he'll get a chance to figure it out, though likely not at the expense of another top 5 draft pick QB...

Not sure what kind of FA QB would be enough though... We'd have to be one of the unlikely suitors of a Rus Wilson type situation. Not sure who that would be in '23... Kyler Murray?  The NFC is wildly devoid of FQBs. Lamar situation goes nowhere in BAL maybe this year?... Carr.... eh. 

My man here acting like we’re not going to get Jimmy G and be told to like it. 

[Rhg1084]

I’d keep Douglas for as long as he wants to stay here. The guy has a good vision and seems to be the most competent GM we’ve had in years.

[TheClashFan]

He certainly gets at least this season.  Let's see what happens.  I've always felt that a GM should get at least 3 years and get to pick a HC unless something goes terribly wrong.  

Yeah, I know, Idzik didn't get 3 years, but I think he was an outlier in that he was clearly in way over his head. But waiting too long can be a problem, too, as we saw with Mac who got 5 years but should have been gone after 3.

 

[PorP]

He should have the time he signed his contract for... 5 years. 

He knew what he was getting into and why he demanded a 5 year contract. 

Saleh (IF!! he is proving bad) should be on the same exit timeline at the end of 2023. That will give him 3 years to have completed the rebuild.