Jet Nut Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Saleh just compared the current situation with this team to when the 49ers turned things around and made the Super Bowl. As he should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: As he should. As much as I can't stand Belichick, he teaches his players to say nothing when they win and say even less when they don't. Bob Saleh has been all talk since day 1. Purveyor of snake oil. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 16 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Also, I'm still gonna call Saleh "Steroid Pinocchio" and you can't stop me. @SuicidalSince98 My wife threw this on while we’re working today btw: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, JiFapono said: OMG everything would so different in Jets land if only the people in charge said the things and the words to the media people that inspire confidence in the fan base and makes them feel better about themselves! If he was an idiot savant like Belicheck and could actually coach and come up with detailed game plans every week to exploit the weak links of the opposition I would happily except him being an idiot. I have yet to see any evidence that Saleh is a savant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xJayce Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 16 hours ago, Matt39 said: Does any other team have this type of nonsense ? Woody sucks. Didn't Belichick have Tom Brady as questionable every week? Or am I thinking of someone else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, Biggs said: If he was an idiot savant like Belicheck and could actually coach and come up with detailed game plans every week to exploit the weak links of the opposition I would happily except him being an idiot. I have yet to see any evidence that Saleh is a savant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Warfish said: Jeez, stress? We might need to be careful, and keep him out till Week 8 then. Stress is a killer, after all. I think you’re overreacting to what I wrote. It put Zach in a bad spot and only increased the scrutiny he was already under. I mean just read some of the comments that were made about Zach here. Why put an expectation out there that he might be ready only to have people pointing misguided fingers when he clearly wasn’t. imo, might have been better to simply continue the company line that Zach will play when he is physically and mentally in game shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warfish Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 43 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: I think you’re overreacting to what I wrote. No my friend, I posted a knowingly tongue-in-cheek sarcastic reply to what you wrote. Not a single word of that post was serious in any way. 43 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: It put Zach in a bad spot and only increased the scrutiny he was already under. Tough titty said the kitty. 43 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: I mean just read some of the comments that were made about Zach here. Zach doesn't read JN. And if he does, he should be cut from the team, immediately. 43 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: Why put an expectation out there that he might be ready only to have people pointing misguided fingers when he clearly wasn’t. We don't know, we can only speculate. 43 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: imo, might have been better to simply continue the company line that Zach will play when he is physically and mentally in game shape. Something made Saleh say what he said, again, we likely will never know. But whatever it was, it clearly changed the day the "till Week 4 at the earliest" was announced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: As much as I can't stand Belichick, he teaches his players to say nothing when they win and say even less when they don't. Bob Saleh has been all talk since day 1. Purveyor of snake oil. And that does what exactly? Wins and losses are a product of a HC’s PC. His players say no ,ore than what Pats players say. Have said far less than players for the Steelers, Dolphins and any other team you want to name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Jet Nut said: And that does what exactly? Wins and losses are a product of a HC’s PC. His players say no ,ore than what Pats players say. Have said far less than players for the Steelers, Dolphins and any other team you want to name. Point is: Stop blathering. Stop making promises you can’t keep. Start winning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Point is: Stop blathering. Stop making promises you can’t keep. Start winning. What part was a promise? When he said ZW worked out? That if he didn’t have a problems he could play? That he would have to practice? Not have any setbacks? Which one of those conditions made you come out believing it was promised anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 8:27 PM, ultraJETfan said: 1040s football movie? Holy sh*t they played with swords back then and there were no balls just like Saleh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 17 hours ago, xJayce said: Didn't Belichick have Tom Brady as questionable every week? Or am I thinking of someone else... It was gamesmanship. Every team that played the Pats had to game plan for two possible QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 7:45 PM, Charlie Brown said: I have seen all kinds of hypotheticals on why Saleh said that Zach Wilson said he would be ready to play potentially Game 1 when he wasn't READY Why Why Why! Well, it is obvious to me at least:. Watch again: Did you see it??????? Saleh was clearly disappointed and down in this Press Conference but not because he was having to admit a lie but because Zach wasn't willing to play through the pain and discomfort despite them saying he had to be 100% Saleh honestly thought he was going to be able to put social pressure on Zach Wilson to play by making public statements that he could play and it didn't work! Zach Wilson basically said through his words and actions I'm not risking my health until I'm ready, hence Saleh's new and recent statements about not putting Zach in until the Steelers game. So no, be mad at Saleh because he tried something patently stupid from a 1040's football movie .... but not because he lied. Let's Go Jets!! OMG! This is so ridiculous. Surprised by you @Charlie Brown - you're usually one of the more rational posters on this board. First, ZW literally said - if it was up to him he would be playing (it's in the actually interview) Second, the only person on this board that actually has inside sources and part of the organization @football guy was very clear that this was an organizational call and Zach had no input. He even went on to mention Zach is being a team player by not pushing and then if he doesn't get in soon he'll start to get frustrated. Please all, stop with the relentless attacks - based on nothing or just factually incorrect. Attack Zach for his performance, great. But please stop just making sh*t up. Especially please stop creating new thread to attack Wilson with made up sh*t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 8:18 PM, Larz said: Phew. I thought the jets were in trouble. I feel better now good chance he never plays as a Jet again.. just old man seen alot,,gut feeling and what vibes there are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: OMG! This is so ridiculous. Surprised by you @Charlie Brown - you're usually one of the more rational posters on this board. First, ZW literally said - if it was up to him he would be playing (it's in the actually interview) Second, the only person on this board that actually has inside sources and part of the organization @football guy was very clear that this was an organizational call and Zach had no input. He even went on to mention Zach is being a team player by not pushing and then if he doesn't get in soon he'll start to get frustrated. Please all, stop with the relentless attacks - based on nothing or just factually incorrect. Attack Zach for his performance, great. But please stop just making sh*t up. Especially please stop creating new thread to attack Wilson with made up sh*t. What attack on Wilson!! Ease up Pilgrim! All said was the coach was hoping that he could spur Zach to play. I just feel that my take is a much more reasonable take than others that have been posited out here such as (a) gamesmanship, yea the Ravens are just shaking in their boots over Flacco and Wilson (not likely to me), (b) Saleh is totally clueless about his QBs medical condition (really his whole HC career is on the line) or (c) Saleh started just lying for no possible good reason (ummm if he is doing this he should be fired IMMEDIATELY) Indeed, my track record on QBs is clear, I believe that any QB drafted should be surrounded by good talent and should get a minimum of three years before a real essentially final evaluation should be given on a young QB, and that includes and is NOT limited to Zach Wilson. Saying that the coach wants a player to do something and the player not wanting to do said thing is hardly an attack.... Woweeee Lets Go Jets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said: What attack on Wilson!! Ease up Pilgrim! All said was the coach was hoping that he could spur Zach to play. I just feel that my take is a much more reasonable take than others that have been posited out here such as (a) gamesmanship, yea the Ravens are just shaking in their boots over Flacco and Wilson (not likely to me), (b) Saleh is totally clueless about his QBs medical condition (really his whole HC career is on the line) or (c) Saleh started just lying for no possible good reason (ummm if he is doing this he should be fired IMMEDIATELY) Indeed, my track record on QBs is clear, I believe that any QB drafted should be surrounded by good talent and should get a minimum of three years before a real essentially final evaluation should be given on a young QB, and that includes and is NOT limited to Zach Wilson. Saying that the coach wants a player to do something and the player not wanting to do said thing is hardly an attack.... Woweeee Lets Go Jets! Okay, maybe I over reacted a bit I guess my point is, what you're saying has been proven to be wrong and there's nothing to support it. Zach wants to play (he said it himself) He even said if it was up to him he would play. In fairness to me though, saying a football player is refusing to play, even though he's healthy enough to do so - is surely an attack on that player. This is the organization taking it very carefully with Zach. Overly careful (I suspect the OL has something to do with it) When all's said and done I don't think it's any one of Saleh, or Wilson or Douglas or the Doctors...just overall there seems to be a lack or communication between all of them. I agree, I highly doubt it was gamesmanship and almost certain it wasn't Zach refusing to play. Ultimately just bad communication - sign of a disorganized franchise. Ultimately, IMO if I had to point at one person, it doesn't bode well for Douglas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Maybe Zach never tore his meniscus and it was all a hoax just to distract the fans from how bad the team really is. Masterminded by Woody after great coaching from his mentor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Sam Darnold 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 7:45 PM, Charlie Brown said: I have seen all kinds of hypotheticals on why Saleh said that Zach Wilson said he would be ready to play potentially Game 1 when he wasn't READY Why Why Why! Well, it is obvious to me at least:. Watch again: Did you see it??????? Saleh was clearly disappointed and down in this Press Conference but not because he was having to admit a lie but because Zach wasn't willing to play through the pain and discomfort despite them saying he had to be 100% Saleh honestly thought he was going to be able to put social pressure on Zach Wilson to play by making public statements that he could play and it didn't work! Zach Wilson basically said through his words and actions I'm not risking my health until I'm ready, hence Saleh's new and recent statements about not putting Zach in until the Steelers game. So no, be mad at Saleh because he tried something patently stupid from a 1040's football movie .... but not because he lied. Let's Go Jets!! I think Zach likes that golf cart. Heard they are MILF magnets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSOJ Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Okay, maybe I over reacted a bit I guess my point is, what you're saying has been proven to be wrong and there's nothing to support it. Zach wants to play (he said it himself) He even said if it was up to him he would play. In fairness to me though, saying a football player is refusing to play, even though he's healthy enough to do so - is surely an attack on that player. This is the organization taking it very carefully with Zach. Overly careful (I suspect the OL has something to do with it) When all's said and done I don't think it's any one of Saleh, or Wilson or Douglas or the Doctors...just overall there seems to be a lack or communication between all of them. I agree, I highly doubt it was gamesmanship and almost certain it wasn't Zach refusing to play. Ultimately just bad communication - sign of a disorganized franchise. Ultimately, IMO if I had to point at one person, it doesn't bode well for Douglas. If what you postulate is true, then JD is at fault. I posted somewhere (can not remember where actually, sigh) that he should have established a communication policy about injuries, etc. and that if he didn't he is not as smart as we give him credit for... AS for the HC, ZW, wtc. in my book this is the year they need to prove they belong... We shall see starting tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Bottom line is they embarrassed themselves trying to explain how the face of the franchise hurt himself scrambling in a preseason game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Okay, maybe I over reacted a bit I guess my point is, what you're saying has been proven to be wrong and there's nothing to support it. Zach wants to play (he said it himself) He even said if it was up to him he would play. In fairness to me though, saying a football player is refusing to play, even though he's healthy enough to do so - is surely an attack on that player. This is the organization taking it very carefully with Zach. Overly careful (I suspect the OL has something to do with it) When all's said and done I don't think it's any one of Saleh, or Wilson or Douglas or the Doctors...just overall there seems to be a lack or communication between all of them. I agree, I highly doubt it was gamesmanship and almost certain it wasn't Zach refusing to play. Ultimately just bad communication - sign of a disorganized franchise. Ultimately, IMO if I had to point at one person, it doesn't bode well for Douglas. To be perfectly honest, we don't know it's true just because Zach said it to the media. Saying if it was up to me, I would play is exactly what every injured player has ever said. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Zach is saying this no matter what the situation is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said: To be perfectly honest, we don't know it's true just because Zach said it to the media. Saying if it was up to me, I would play is exactly what every injured player has ever said. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Zach is saying this no matter what the situation is. Well, I'm actually going by what Football Guy said. He's consistently been accurate, with legitimate sources inside. I specifically asked him this question - and got that answer. So sure, Zach could be lying, Saleh could be lying and football guy could be lying - but it doesn't seem to be the case. Frankly, nothing we've seen from Zach tells me he's that type of kid. he kept going out there last year surrounded by 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers at virtually every poison. No complaints, always took responsibility... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: Well, I'm actually going by what Football Guy said. He's consistently been accurate, with legitimate sources inside. I specifically asked him this question - and got that answer. So sure, Zach could be lying, Saleh could be lying and football guy could be lying - but it doesn't seem to be the case. Frankly, nothing we've seen from Zach tells me he's that type of kid. he kept going out there last year surrounded by 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers at virtually every poison. No complaints, always took responsibility... Just saying that what he said is about as close to the company line as you get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 8:01 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: I think it's due to Duane Brown being banged up. Saleh wants the OL to solidify before throwing Zach to the wolves. Except Zach will probably be back before Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBJ Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 The Sad Story of My Once Positive Vibes Thanks @Charlie Brown ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Just saying that what he said is about as close to the company line as you get Okay. I haven’t found him to be a company mouth piece, I don’t get that from him. But to each his own I guess. He certainly was flattering about this situation, he was rather harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gastineau_intestinal_tract Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 A cold take based on nothing which leads to further assumptions. Well done, Chuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 13 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Well, I'm actually going by what Football Guy said. He's consistently been accurate, with legitimate sources inside. I specifically asked him this question - and got that answer. So sure, Zach could be lying, Saleh could be lying and football guy could be lying - but it doesn't seem to be the case. Frankly, nothing we've seen from Zach tells me he's that type of kid. he kept going out there last year surrounded by 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers at virtually every poison. No complaints, always took responsibility... An insider tows the company line or he becomes an outsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewGuyJet Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 8:21 PM, IntoTheGreen said: I'm not sure if anyone has made this point, but do you think it could also be gamesmanship? Don't we want Baltimore to keep guessing who they'll face? I would've kept it a secret till game day and every other week until Zach played. Bellicheat does this sh*t all the time and no one gets their panties in a tivy. This makes sense to me. No reason to let the Ravens know which QB to prepare for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntoTheGreen Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, NewGuyJet said: This makes sense to me. No reason to let the Ravens know which QB to prepare for. Doesn't matter anyway as they've had 4 days with the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Hmmmmmm all those who said I was crazy that Saleh was trying to get Zach to play it doesn't seem so crazy now, does it! And here are the receipts below.... . Ummmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 It's amazing. This Jets season is tracking almost exactly like all the other Jets seasons after Week 1. The only thing missing was a Tuesday announcement that Flacco has Mono. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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