PFF Grades: Week 2

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

Duane Brown is $6.3 million dead money to cut in 2023, with $5.2mm in cap savings.  I don't see JD/Woody paying for Duane not to play, unless he is completely broken.,  

That’s not how they’ll look at it. It’s a sunk cost because that’s money they already paid him for 2022, not new money they’re going to pay him beyond that. e.g. Even if they keep him - and pay him another $10MM for the 2023 season - the last 3 fake years after that void anyway for an additional $4.7MM in dead money in 2024.

Their only choice is whether or not they feel Brown is worth $10MM in new money. The amount of “dead cap” was factored in the day they signed him to a $10MM/year deal that only hit the 2022 cap at $4MM. That other $6MM had to eventually come off the cap, too, and was always going to be in the form of a lump sum dead cap hit.

Douglas - and therefore Woody - knew that there’d be either a (roughly) $5MM or $6MM dead cap hit the day they signed him. It’s a non-factor. 

[oatmeal]

2 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

Jets F'ed up the Jermaine Johnson pick. He looks like a replacement level player who Jets extraordinarily overvalued. Imagine if they picked him top 10 like they had him valued at? My god Clemens a 4th round pick is better than him.

[Maxman]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Uh, Max, that was QUINCY Williams.  lol.  Unless that's the part you're excited about...

Yeah I totally read that wrong. And no I don't want Quincy on the field, although he looks better this season.

[jetstream23]

13 hours ago, Jetlife33 said:

Echols > Bryce Hall 

Starting to seem that way.

Have to say I’m a little surprised about Bryce Hall.  He seemed like a guy who might come along and become a good starting CB2 but he seems to have taken a step back over the past 6 months or so.  He was essentially CB1 last year because the Jets didn’t have much choice.

[PLO]

Would love to know how Tyler Linderbaum and Kyle Hamilton have been graded because they are ROUGH early part of their NFL careers. Do not look up to the level at all. 

I remember people here begging to pick Linderbaum with our first overall pick, myself I always had him outside the first round, let alone the top 5 overall. 

I can't crow though as I was all over Hamilton up until late in the process, would have taken him in the top 5. When he clocked that slow 40 time I was out on him with both of our first round picks however. 

[Ghost420]

21 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

Hall needs more touches. I like Carter but he doesn't have that breakaway ability like Hall

[Rhg1084]

 

[Facts]

On 9/19/2022 at 11:14 AM, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Isn't that the first TD Sauce has ever allowed between college and the NFL? 

And it was still good coverage in my opinion.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

On 9/19/2022 at 11:13 AM, Rhg1084 said:

 

This is the problem current players have with PFF, as Gardner is being credited given up a TD on a blown coverage. 

[Jetsfan4life90]

4 hours ago, PLO said:

Would love to know how Tyler Linderbaum and Kyle Hamilton have been graded because they are ROUGH early part of their NFL careers. Do not look up to the level at all. 

I remember people here begging to pick Linderbaum with our first overall pick, myself I always had him outside the first round, let alone the top 5 overall. 

I can't crow though as I was all over Hamilton up until late in the process, would have taken him in the top 5. When he clocked that slow 40 time I was out on him with both of our first round picks however. 

Too early to also say Linderbaum or Hamilton won't pan out either. 

[Jetsfan4life90]

15 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

Jets F'ed up the Jermaine Johnson pick. He looks like a replacement level player who Jets extraordinarily overvalued. Imagine if they picked him top 10 like they had him valued at? My god Clemens a 4th round pick is better than him.

Too early to say since he did also have a good game against the Ravens, just not as good against the Browns. But his age always scared me. We'll see, but am glad they drafted Sauce, Wilson and Hall. JJ is a bonus pick. 

[#27TheDominator]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Too early to say since he did also have a good game against the Ravens, just not as good against the Browns. But his age always scared me. We'll see, but am glad they drafted Sauce, Wilson and Hall. JJ is a bonus pick. 

 

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Too early to say since he did also have a good game against the Ravens, just not as good against the Browns. But his age always scared me. We'll see, but am glad they drafted Sauce, Wilson and Hall. JJ is a bonus pick. 

A bonus pick?  They gave up more than chart value.  He was the "need" pick.  Remember going into the draft when Hall was good enough and with Reed corner was not a need, but we were worried about Lawson's return and you need to draft pass rushers at the top of the draft?  There were plenty of pass rushers avaiable where our 2nd was sitting and we would not have had to move up for Hall., so the deal cost us another 5th.   They went after Johnson hard and if you watch the video, they were oh so excited to get him.  If he fails, it is an indictment.   Tannenbaum moved up for Revis and Harris.  I think Johnson will be fine, but I don't expect much more.  I am wondering where he will fall when it is all said and done.

[dbatesman]

2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

 

A bonus pick?  They gave up more than chart value.  He was the "need" pick.  Remember going into the draft when Hall was good enough and with Reed corner was not a need, but we were worried about Lawson's return and you need to draft pass rushers at the top of the draft?  There were plenty of pass rushers avaiable where our 2nd was sitting and we would not have had to move up for Hall., so the deal cost us another 5th.   They went after Johnson hard and if you watch the video, they were oh so excited to get him.  If he fails, it is an indictment.   Tannenbaum moved up for Revis and Harris.  I think Johnson will be fine, but I don't expect much more.  I am wondering where he will fall when it is all said and done.

Agreed. There was a lot of smoke about us potentially taking him at 10, and based on the trade up and their reaction when they got him, it seems like that was more than just smoke. I'm expecting fine and nothing more too, although I just looked up his RAS and it was better than I thought (his broad jump and speed scores were both good). But for the sake of this FO/CS, he needs to hit.

[#27TheDominator]

31 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Agreed. There was a lot of smoke about us potentially taking him at 10, and based on the trade up and their reaction when they got him, it seems like that was more than just smoke. I'm expecting fine and nothing more too, although I just looked up his RAS and it was better than I thought (his broad jump and speed scores were both good). But for the sake of this FO/CS, he needs to hit.

I am not sure how I am discussing pass rushers in the run pass ratio thread, but I can do it here too.  I knew he was good physically, but IIRC, he had a lot of sacks for his win rate which is the opposite of Clemons and Lawson (at the NFL level).   I expect him to "hit" as an NFL starter, but not necessarily as a true pass rusher.  I think he will play at a level that will have most of the board calling him a bust - more the Zadarius Smith, Bud Dupree level.  Not sure why I picked two guys from Kentucky and I guess Zadarius really came into his own with GB. 

[Lith]

 

[TheClashFan]

21 hours ago, Coffee Is Great said:

This is why PFF and other analytics can be misleading. Sauce should not be tagged with that touchdown. Also, he was playing a soft zone most of the game and giving CLE the short stuff. So while PFF has him as allowing 4 catches on 5 targets, I remember him only actually getting beat once.

The only "bad" play I recall with him was that he was soft on a 3rd and 4. The WR did a slant right in front of him for an easy first down.

 

[maury77]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

 

Jets have the 3rd highest graded QB in the league .........

[Irish Jet]

I'm watching the coaches film replay of this game and some of these grades are just laughable. Quinnen and Lawson getting amazing pass rushing grades when they're not even coming close to getting home. Lawson was lining up way outside and other than one play Wills was handling him easily. Where are they getting this sh*t?

A few more things that stood out to me:

• I felt Solomon Thomas was one of the better D-lineman. Guy never stopped hustling and found him all over the field. 
• Elijah Moore was open a lot. He's getting separation which put me at ease as I was kind of concerned about the lack of targets. On the play where Flacco failed to squeeze it into Wilson over the middle Moore was wide open in the corner of the endzone. 
• Our line backers and safeties are terrible. The quick passes to tight ends and running backs were just automatic. So easy to get these guys on the back foot. Quincy Williams is probably the worst offender. I'm not sure if our downfield coverage was all that good because they never had to be tested. Too easy for them. 
• Tyler Conklin cannot block. At all. At times he was providing support for Fant vs Garrett and I swear he was just getting in Fant's way. 
• We really struggle to pickup blitzes inside. Seems to always be a guy getting through untouched and I'm shocked teams don't do it more. That's been an issue for years.