Saleh's press conference - Sounds like Flacco does have a shot to be the qb this year

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

His theories have a way of ending up becoming true. The last time I scoffed at an @Matt39 theory was when he said “Becton won’t take another snap for the Jets this year, maybe ever again.”

Matt, when was that? Week 2 last season?

It’s a gift ? 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Just now, Matt39 said:

I’ve kind of been right about everything tbh. Any coach using he needs to be 110% to play is an euphemism for the player being a panzy.

I’ve yet to see proof that JetBlue is calling the shots here but alright. 

[NIGHT STALKER]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Listening to the press conference, Saleh completely blew off the reporter who asked him if this zach's team when he is healthy.  He talked in circles and never answered the question.  I think that is very telling.  He has been adament that Zach plays the minute he is healthy.  He was not that way today.

He also made it clear that the earliest Zach will play is week 4.  But really concentrated on the "earliest" part of that statement.  He was very clear he is not playing week 4, that is just the earliest he would play.

I love Zach and want him out there ASAP.  But after watching the press conference, I think if Joe is playing well and we are wining, Zach is not getting the job back this year.  

WOW!  I am stunned but to me, if you can read through the lines, it was clear what Saleh is thinking.

Watch that part of the press conference and let me know what you think.  It was pretty early in the press conference.

Not what he is saying at all...no wonder why there are so many interpretations in the bible.  The man does not want to get caught with his pants down again like last year with Becton...and get into one of those gotcha type situations.  If Zach is ready, he'll be starting...period.

[JTJet]

2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I’m talking about split on a red shirt year. Not taking him altogether.

Ah, I apologize, guess I missed that part. 

[Matt39]

Just now, Zachtomims47 said:

I’ve yet to see proof that JetBlue is calling the shots here but alright. 

Zach’s agent keeping him out is probably not going to surface. I think we can all read between the lines at the 110% narrative however.

[Matt39]

10 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

His theories have a way of ending up becoming true. The last time I scoffed at an @Matt39 theory was when he said “Becton won’t take another snap for the Jets this year, maybe ever again.”

Matt, when was that? Week 2 last season?

Remember when Darnold, Gase and Douglas all had the same agent and 2 of the 3 stayed 2 years longer than they should have because Jets?

[PorP]

7 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

If Zach is out for the year they need to just say it tbh

Gosh man,  sure hope that don't happen cause they won't say goodbye unless something really egregious happened. 

No FO in the NFLwould say goodbye to a top 10 pick in year 2 without something significant happening. 

And I really don't want to start 2023 with the same conversations as this past offseason. 

[genot]

The problem I see everybody, is we committed to Wilson as our starter, by playing him in every game as a rookie. Has he regressed? Not progressed. I would like some transparency from this organization 

[pointman]

47 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Saleh self interest and the team winning are completely alligned.  That's a good thing.  The idea that your going to waste this talented roster on seeing what you have in Zach is absurd.  There are season ticket holders and lot of professional football players on the NY Jets who's livelyhood is on the line and you would hope that all the players want to get to the playoffs and have a shot at a ring.  

Either Zach shows in practice that he's the best QB on the team and is ready or you sit him until he is.  He's not the only young player that's being developed.  

 

So you think we will find out if the 2021 #2 overall pick will be the man without real game action? 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

5 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Zach’s agent keeping him out is probably not going to surface. I think we can all read between the lines at the 110% narrative however.

Won’t surface because it’s absurd. 

[FidelioJet]

9 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Zach’s agent keeping him out is probably not going to surface. I think we can all read between the lines at the 110% narrative however.

Zach has no leverage to make a decision like that.  Nor has he shown anything in his behavior to think he would do something like this.

Nor is it in his best interest to not be able to play, allienate his teammates and build a reputation as being injury.

The only thing to read between the lines is your unrelenting attacks of Wilson and desire for him to fail.

What you're saying is counterintuitive to all things logical....

[TuscanyTile2]

46 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Again, I don’t see why it would be the worst thing in the world for Zach to sit and learn behind Flacco for a year.

Frankly, it’s what should’ve been done last season.

The Jets still have Wilson under contract for another 2 years minimum.

Realistically, I don’t see it happening because Flacco is bound to have a clunker within the next 2-3 weeks that makes it easy to make the move back to Zach.

But if guys like Vinny and Fitzpatrick are capable of having career years well into their 30’s, then Flacco sure as hell is too. Especially with the level of young offensive talent the Jets have accumulated.

It's too late to sit Zach for an entire season.  Last year was the year to do it.  We need Zach to play and get experience.  And we need the CS and FO to evaluate him to decide if we need to roll the dice with another QB this coming offseason.

Besides that, Flacco still is a 37 year old journeyman QB.  He is not going to win you very many games.  It took an absolute miracle for him to win yesterday's game.

[CotcheryifyouCan]

i doubt it but if flacco has another multiple td game with no picks he might start again. I hope he does have another good game, but i do want to see zach cause if he sucks then we need to think about drafting another qb or throw a bag at lamar or jimmy g

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Zach has no leverage to make a decision like that.  Nor has he shown anything in his behavior to think he would do something like this.

Nor is it in his best interest to not be able to play, allienate his teammates and build a reputation as being injury.

The only thing to read between the lines is your unrelenting attacks of Wilson and desire for him to fail.

What you're saying is counterintuitive to all things logical....

Fail? I’ve never heard of a player not being able to go if he’s healthy unless other things are at play. I mean it’s right there for you to see.

[Matt39]

9 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Won’t surface because it’s absurd. 

So Wilson is not playing because the team doesn’t feel he’s mentally ready? Who on the staff is qualified to make that decision?

[slimjasi]

16 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Remember when Darnold, Gase and Douglas all had the same agent and 2 of the 3 stayed 2 years longer than they should have because Jets?

Confused by the timeline that you refer to with the bolded. 

Gase was only the coach here for two seasons - he went 7-9 and 2-14. So - what are you saying, exactly? 

Darnold was the QB here for 3 years - You're saying any other normal organization would have moved on from Darnold after his rookie year, but we didn't because he shared agents with Gase and Douglas?

OR, are you saying Douglas should have been fired two years ago? LOL

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

So Wilson is not playing because the team doesn’t feel he’s mentally ready? Who on the staff is qualified to make that decision?

I assume Woody and Chris will make that decision.

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Fail? I’ve never heard of a player not being able to go if he’s healthy unless other things are at play. I mean it’s right there for you to see.

Except they've been exceptionally clear that he's not 100% and are waiting until he is to get him back him.  They understand he's the long -term future of the franchise and forcing him back now would be short sighted.   

I mean, you can live in the anti-zach conspiracy world - I mean good for you if it helps you feel better.

But it doesn't make it true.

[TBJ]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I assume Woody and Chris will make that decision.

They will consult with Mike Francessa and Adam Gase.

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Confused by the timeline that you refer to with the bolded. 

Gase was only the coach here for two seasons - he went 7-9 and 2-14. So - what are you saying, exactly? 

Darnold was the QB here for 3 years - You're saying any other normal organization would have moved on from Darnold after his rookie year, but we didn't because he shared agents with Gase and Douglas?

OR, are you saying Douglas should have been fired two years ago? LOL

Gase should have never been hired. Darnold I think we knew early he wasnt any good and the Jets should have been seeking alternate options, which they never did. The David Fales era wasnt fun for anyone.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

So Wilson is not playing because the team doesn’t feel he’s mentally ready? Who on the staff is qualified to make that decision?

There could be a plethora of different reasons he’s not playing. Maybe doctors said he should be completely fine by week 4. Maybe they’re being overly cautious and not risking further injury pushing him to play. Maybe they’re being cautious but also want to see how Flacco does. Who tf knows. His agent telling him to not play? Yeah no. 

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Except they've been exceptionally clear that he's not 100% and are waiting until he is to get him back him.  They understand he's the long -term future of the franchise and forcing him back now would be short sighted.   

I mean, you can live in the anti-zach conspiracy world - I mean good for you if it helps you feel better.

But it doesn't make it true.

What exactly is conspiratorial here? Wilson by all accounts is physically healthy enough to play.

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I assume Woody and Chris will make that decision.

That is what I fear lol

[Joe W. Namath]

Lets break it down by game.

If Flaccid throws for 300 yards 3 tds and 1 int this Sunday and we beat Cincy, I dont know if you can take him out.  As a coach, how do you sell that to the other 52 guys?  I dont think you can.

Then lets say we go to pitt and he throws for 250 yards, 2 tds and 0 ints.  And we get another win.

I want Zach back in the worst way, but the next 2 games are against bad football teams.  

And then at 3-1 you are going to bring Zach back for the most important game in the last few years for this franchise?  Cause that is exactly what that Dolphin game would be if we are 3-1 at that point.  

This could get very interesting fellas.  Very interesting.

 

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

What exactly is conspiratorial here? Wilson by all accounts is physically healthy enough to play.

Well.

The Jets have made a statement about why they're doing what they doing.  

What you're suggesting is they're lying - and the many people in the organization - that know about this - are sticking with that lie and supporting it.  It is the definition of conspiracy.

Zach wants to play - Zach isn't 100% - the team wants to wait until he is.  That is the position of the NY Jets - and it's a quite logical one..

The other mean the Jets organization, HC, OC, Ownerships, Agents, QB coach and the rest of the team...

Are all keeping this secret - to protect a player that would be being incredibly selfish and self serving.  A second year QB, who had a rough rookie year, is pulling himself out games for selfish reasons.  It's ridiculous.

The idea of it, when thought about logically, is absurd.

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Lets break it down by game.

If Flaccid throws for 300 yards 3 tds and 1 int this Sunday and we beat Cincy, I dont know if you can take him out.  As a coach, how do you sell that to the other 52 guys?  I dont think you can.

Then lets say we go to pitt and he throws for 250 yards, 2 tds and 0 ints.  And we get another win.

I want Zach back in the worst way, but the next 2 games are against bad football teams.  

And then at 3-1 you are going to bring Zach back for the most important game in the last few years for this franchise?  Cause that is exactly what that Dolphin game would be if we are 3-1 at that point.  

This could get very interesting fellas.  Very interesting.

 

Zach comes back the moment he's 100%.

Zach is a better QB right now than Flacco...Zach gives the team the best chance to win.  The organization knows this - it's also why they'er waiting for him to get to 100% - as they know he's the future and don't want to mess around with it.

[SickJetFan]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Lets break it down by game.

If Flaccid throws for 300 yards 3 tds and 1 int this Sunday and we beat Cincy, I dont know if you can take him out.  As a coach, how do you sell that to the other 52 guys?  I dont think you can.

Then lets say we go to pitt and he throws for 250 yards, 2 tds and 0 ints.  And we get another win.

I want Zach back in the worst way, but the next 2 games are against bad football teams.  

And then at 3-1 you are going to bring Zach back for the most important game in the last few years for this franchise?  Cause that is exactly what that Dolphin game would be if we are 3-1 at that point.  

This could get very interesting fellas.  Very interesting.

 

breaking down your breakdown, if Flaccid continues to win all the way to playoffs...is he still Flaccid? or can he then become Flacco?

[SickJetFan]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

Zach comes back the moment he's 100%.

Zach is a better QB right now than Flacco...Zach gives the team the best chance to win.  The organization knows this - it's also why they'er waiting for him to get to 100% - as they know he's the future and don't want to mess around with it.

what was Saleh's mental comment thing then?

[genot]

54 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

You then hand a more experienced offense to Wilson. It’s as if he sat his rookie year and now he takes over. Not a terrible situation. 

We promise Zack to make it perfect for you. We dont want you to face any adversity.  

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Well.

The Jets have made a statement about why they're doing what they doing.  

What you're suggesting is they're lying - and the many people in the organization - that know about this - are sticking with that lie and supporting it.  It is the definition of conspiracy.

Zach wants to play - Zach isn't 100% - the team wants to wait until he is.  That is the position of the NY Jets - and it's a quite logical one..

The other mean the Jets organization, HC, OC, Ownerships, Agents, QB coach and the rest of the team...

Are all keeping this secret - to protect a player that would be being incredibly selfish and self serving.  A second year QB, who had a rough rookie year, is pulling himself out games for selfish reasons.  It's ridiculous.

The idea of it, when thought about logically, is absurd.

Well I guess Wilson coming back sooner than later and playing will put any speculation to bed. 

[slimjasi]

9 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Gase should have never been hired. Darnold I think we knew early he wasnt any good and the Jets should have been seeking alternate options, which they never did. The David Fales era wasnt fun for anyone.

Gase should have never been hired, but this doesn't seem to be related to your original post that I quoted, unless you are saying they only hired him because he shared an agent with Darnold? 

The vast majority of the fanbase/media didn't start to really question Darnold until the Ghosts game and the majority probably weren't out on him until week 1 of year 3. The earliest they would have realistically had a viable alternative was year 3 and that season was going to be a disaster, regardless. 

[oatmeal]

7 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Lets break it down by game.

If Flaccid throws for 300 yards 3 tds and 1 int this Sunday and we beat Cincy, I dont know if you can take him out.  As a coach, how do you sell that to the other 52 guys?  I dont think you can.

Then lets say we go to pitt and he throws for 250 yards, 2 tds and 0 ints.  And we get another win.

I want Zach back in the worst way, but the next 2 games are against bad football teams.  

And then at 3-1 you are going to bring Zach back for the most important game in the last few years for this franchise?  Cause that is exactly what that Dolphin game would be if we are 3-1 at that point.  

This could get very interesting fellas.  Very interesting.

 

I understand this Joe but what about next year? What about the QB position moving forward? What happens to Zach ???

[MysticalJet2]

Could it be that Flacco has won the locker room over and players are responding better to him?  There is no doubt that Flacco has more presence than the young QB and the dynamics may be working better with Flacco at the helm.

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Gase should have never been hired, but this doesn't seem to be related to your original post that I quoted, unless you are saying they only hired him because he shared an agent with Darnold? 

The vast majority of the fanbase/media didn't start to really question Darnold until the Ghosts game and the majority probably weren't out on him until week 1 of year 3. The earliest they would have realistically had a viable alternative was year 3 and that season was going to be a disaster, regardless. 

I mean I was out on Darnold as a rookie, which ended up being right. CJ got sold by Gase and his work with Tannehill and yeah Sexton is an influential guy, especially for owners like the Johnson's. Gase then managed to get Douglas the big chair, who's still kicking but the seat is warm.

[oatmeal]

6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Zach comes back the moment he's 100%.

Zach is a better QB right now than Flacco...Zach gives the team the best chance to win.  The organization knows this - it's also why they'er waiting for him to get to 100% - as they know he's the future and don't want to mess around with it.

I understand but you have to find it strange Saleh not committing to Zach for the first time is weird af