Jets Could be Down to Fourth Left Tackle as Zach Wilson Prepares to Return

[bitonti]

18 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You mean like you’re not adjusting for the lack of difficulty in Ikey facing 2 opponents with no RE edge rush? LT isn’t harder because of a blindside. It’s harder because of the presumed better rusher who’d line up to rush the blindside. Never mind how much easier his QB protection job has been by blocking for ~20 fewer attempts per game, for a far more mobile QB who’ll actually roll out away from the LT and even scramble.

Summary: Ikey has had it easy so far. He’d have been no help over the first 3 games.

Next — you are 100% wrong on Mosley. 100% of his 2022 salary, most of which was converted to bonus, was already 100% guaranteed.

There was no additional money added. There was no additional guaranteed money added. Not one dollar.

Repeating false truths over and over doesn’t make them any more true.

it's harder because most offenses put the TE on the right side meaning the LT truly is out on an island

there are exceptions like when Mike Vick is your QB but most offenses are "right handed" 

you keep saying no additional money on Mosely but that's not true because they could have cut him. Now they can't 

honest question Sperm you're like the team accountant do you think CJ mosely is really worth 17 per annum? 

JD took Mac's terrible contract and extended the time period they have to keep him (or eat a huge cap hit) 

 

[Sperm Edwards]

21 minutes ago, bitonti said:

it's harder because most offenses put the TE on the right side meaning the LT truly is out on an island

there are exceptions like when Mike Vick is your QB but most offenses are "right handed" 

you keep saying no additional money on Mosely but that's not true because they could have cut him. Now they can't 

honest question Sperm you're like the team accountant do you think CJ mosely is really worth 17 per annum? 

JD took Mac's terrible contract and extended the time period they have to keep him (or eat a huge cap hit) 

 

This is exhausting.

Mosley was given ZERO additional dollars. I don’t know why you refuse to accept this fact.

• Zero additional.
• He was only paid what he was already guaranteed.
• This entire year’s $ was already guaranteed. That’s all he got.
• No additional money this year.
• No additional money next year.
• No additional guaranteed money paid out nor additional guarantees promised for the future.
• Zero. Zero. Zero.

I can’t be much clearer than that.

If they keep him next year it’s because they want to pay him $17MM in salary for 2023; not because he’s uncuttable. He is cuttable.

And no I’d never have paid him that contract in the first place. Fully guaranteeing 3 years at $17MM for a MLB - when Balt’s top offer was $11.5MM iirc - was just a stupid contract. That he stretched it out over 4 years due to sitting out 2020 only makes it worse. He sucks at half that amount.

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If they keep him next year it’s because they want to pay him $17MM in salary for 2023; not because he’s uncuttable. He is cuttable.

 

before the restructure they could have cut CJ Mosley in 2023 with 3 mil dead cap 

After the restructure they cut CJ Mosely in 2023 for 14 mil in dead cap or 2024 for 10 mil in dead cap 

he's technically not getting any more money but the increased dead cap on his cut makes it far more likely he will see the end of that contract that before the restructure

the Jets had an out for CJ mosely when he turned 30. That out is now when he turns 32. 

You keep saying no more money but he's not being cut after 2022 anymore. That's 8 figures of salary for 23 and 24 that he wasn't going to see but probably now will 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

before the restructure they could have cut CJ Mosley in 2023 with 3 mil dead cap 

After the restructure they cut CJ Mosely in 2023 for 14 mil in dead cap or 2024 for 10 mil in dead cap 

he's technically not getting any more money but the increased dead cap on his cut makes it far more likely he will see the end of that contract that before the restructure

the Jets had an out for CJ mosely when he turned 30. That out is now when he turns 32. 

You keep saying no more money but he's not being cut after 2022 anymore. That's 8 figures of salary for 23 and 24 that he wasn't going to see but probably now will 

If they keep him it’s because they want him back. He can be designated a late cut anyway. But it’s not new money; that it gets labeled “dead cap” is a mental block. Money already paid or guaranteed to the player is a sunk cost. Douglas can surely add and subtract and realizes this.

All that matters is if he’s due new money, and imo he isn’t. Not even if he takes a 50% pay cut.

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If they keep him it’s because they want him back. He can be designated a late cut anyway. But it’s not new money; that it gets labeled “dead cap” is a mental block. Money already paid or guaranteed to the player is a sunk cost. Douglas can surely add and subtract and realizes this.

All that matters is if he’s due new money, and imo he isn’t. Not even if he takes a 50% pay cut.

Joe Douglas has shown no grasp of sunk cost theory

if he did understand Sunk Cost, he'd have moved on from Becton in the spring 

JD loves to double down but you're right, if he was willing to eat 14 mil of dead cap they could cut him

that cut is far less likely than it was before the extension.  And no one is going to give CJ mosely that type of contract ever again 

factually, JD made those "cap eating" moves early in his contract, especially with Mac guys (like CJ Mosely is)

I just don't think JD is going to make that move in year 5 when he himself is trying to earn another GM contract.

Or if he does cut Mosely, it will hurt way more 

all of this could have been avoided if JD recognized Becton was a sunk cost this spring

 We will see this again when it's year 5 of Zach and we're still waiting for that great leap forward 

I'll say it again JD has no grasp of sunk cost theory he pushes good money after bad all the time 

 

 

[Sperm Edwards]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Joe Douglas has shown no grasp of sunk cost theory

if he did understand Sunk Cost, he'd have moved on from Becton in the spring 

JD loves to double down but you're right, if he was willing to eat 14 mil of dead cap they could cut him

that cut is far less likely than it was before the extension.  And no one is going to give CJ mosely that type of contract ever again 

factually, JD made those "cap eating" moves early in his contract, especially with Mac guys (like CJ Mosely is)

I just don't think JD is going to make that move in year 5 when he himself is trying to earn another GM contract.

Or if he does cut Mosely, it will hurt way more 

all of this could have been avoided if JD recognized Becton was a sunk cost this spring

 We will see this again when it's year 5 of Zach and we're still waiting for that great leap forward 

I'll say it again JD has no grasp of sunk cost theory he pushes good money after bad all the time 

 

 

None of this is right even with Douglas’s obvious whiffs.

You conflate dead cap with new money repeatedly. I can only conclude you don’t know the difference, and despite repeated explanations, never will.

Now you’ve moved on to other players in a veiled attempt at changing the subject to hide your repeated non-truths, or alternate facts, or whatever you choose to label them.

Mosley sucks, is cuttable, cumulatively costs no more than he did before the restructure, cutting him is a net cap gain, and they’ll have plenty of space to sign or extend anyone they want in March. 

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

None of this is right even with Douglas’s obvious whiffs.

You conflate dead cap with new money repeatedly. I can only conclude you don’t know the difference, and despite repeated explanations, never will.

Now you’ve moved on to other players in a veiled attempt at changing the subject to hide your repeated non-truths, or alternate facts, or whatever you choose to label them.

Mosley sucks, is cuttable, cumulatively costs no more than he did before the restructure, cutting him is a net cap gain, and they’ll have plenty of space to sign or extend anyone they want in March. 

You're litigating the phrase new money 

When a team moves salary to bonus the implication is that player was never going to see that big money salary before the extension 

Simple question why would mosely agree to an extension that is not in any way beneficial to his bottom line? What's in it for mosely? 

The phrase "cutting him is still a net cap gain," you mean The 17 mil salary vs the 14 mil dead cap hit? 

That's a different choice than 17 mil salary vs 3 mil dead cap and you know it 

JD hates dead cap by the way that's why the Jets have the least in the league. Cj mosely is here until at least 2024 that's what the restructure accomplished 

In your version. Cj mosely restructured his contract and got nothing for it? 

Bull 

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

On 9/27/2022 at 1:17 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

Should at least add you, @Warfish and @The Crusher to the Practice Squad.

That sounds like 3/5 of a rock solid O-Line right there.............................30+ years ago. ?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

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Wilson has been participating in what Robert Saleh referred to as “flight school” in which practice squad players and third-stringers conduct a seven-on-seven period. It allowed Wilson to get some extra work with dropbacks, progressions and “all the different things we ask him to do,” Saleh said.
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He lasted nine plays in his only preseason game before succumbing to the non-contact knee injury. So he hasn’t really experienced a game situation since the end of last season, when he completed just 7 of 20 passes for 87 yards and one touchdown in a 27-10 loss to the Bills.

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To simulate a pocket breaking down, Wilson said he had a strength coach “chase me around” last week.

“He’s going to have to feel his way through,” Saleh said.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

What Joe Douglas ordered on Wish.com.

 

What Joe Douglas got from Wish.com

[Hal N of Provo]

On 9/29/2022 at 7:01 AM, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

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Wilson has been participating in what Robert Saleh referred to as “flight school” in which practice squad players and third-stringers conduct a seven-on-seven period. It allowed Wilson to get some extra work with dropbacks, progressions and “all the different things we ask him to do,” Saleh said.
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He lasted nine plays in his only preseason game before succumbing to the non-contact knee injury. So he hasn’t really experienced a game situation since the end of last season, when he completed just 7 of 20 passes for 87 yards and one touchdown in a 27-10 loss to the Bills.

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To simulate a pocket breaking down, Wilson said he had a strength coach “chase me around” last week.

“He’s going to have to feel his way through,” Saleh said.

Why is everyone making excuses for Zach before the game? 
 

 

 

 

jk.   That doesn’t sound great.   I just watched the Jackson Kreiger guy break down a couple games including the Burrow game where they kept picking him off.   Not a great picture combined with that quote.   Muddy - bad blocking - DBs who make great plays on the ball - I’m going to hope to see the return of the off schedule Zach from the Titans. 

[More Cowbell]

On 9/26/2022 at 1:41 PM, FidelioJet said:

And you guys act like QB's don't get better.  A young QB, from a relatively small school, starts on a young team - has a tough first 7 of 8 games - shows real progress over the last quarter of the season...

And it's impossible that progress continues.  

It's like he's wronged you guys in another life or something.  Zach's coming back next week and he's going to play - we'll know more over the next couple of weeks.

The animosity toward him at this point is really just strange....

Change the small school to USC and you pretty accurately  described Darnold. 

[Claymation]

This squarely falls on JD shoulders, he should be fired.

For what?
Roster is a solid one. Even with losing 3 tackles.

[Claymation]

No, he's not allowed to leave until every fiber of his heart, soul, and being has been utterly broken, drained, and crushed by the eldritch entity that is the New York Jets.
No one escapes. 
His suffering must be eternal.

Que Snake Plissken, Escape from New York.

[RoadFan]

On 9/26/2022 at 1:16 PM, bitonti said:

As much as I enjoy watching sauce shut people down the Jets should have gone Ikey at 4

Joe Douglas doubled down on Becton and that was a crucial error 

The mistake wasn’t at #4.  It was trading up for Jermaine Johnson.
 

JD gets a pass in my opinion on a few hiccups.  He is drafting really good football players.
 

 

[Claymation]

There's no law that says an Ikey pick at 4 eliminates the possibility of a Mitchell pick at 111
The seahawks replaced both tackles this year cross at 10 and Lucas in Rd 3
It is possible to double dip at a position of need 

The Jets did double dipped at a position of Need, Edge Rusher.

[Claymation]

to whom much is given, much will be required 
Zach Wilson was given a 22.9 Million dollar signing bonus last season 
he's >11% of the cap  in 1 person 
a guy like that will have high expectations and deservedly so 
 
 

What? He is worth 8 million against this year’s cap.