BigRy56 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 He’s definitely an upgrade over McDermott. Looks like this week will be a tough one for the OL but everybody should be back healthy for week 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 19 minutes ago, tfine said: Reality and logic have no place here. Your supposed to just blindly bash the GM. Even when things are not his fault. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app This 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheClashFan Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 The Jets penciled in Fant and Becton as starters, both of whom ended last season with knee injuries. Becton missed nearly the whole season. Depth was Edoga and McDermott, both trash. Mitchell was a nice pick in the 4th round, but he's really a developmental guy forced to start. So far he's held up okay, to his credit. I don't think it is bashing to say that OT depth was very thin coming in to camp and it was overly optimistic to pencil in both Fant and Becton as surefire starters this year. JD got lucky with his last minute band aid last year. Not so lucky this year with Brown, at least not so far. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, JTJet said: Its irrelevant that Becton wasnt injury prone prior to drafting him. A simple look at his frame was enough to tell most people there could be issues, and at the moment of his first injury, JD had essentially a year to form a plan to have a suitable replacement ready, and he did not do that. Bringing in Duane Brown halfway through training camp was not a plan, it was a panic move only AFTER Becton was injured...again. Duane Brown attended the Green-White Scrimmage two days before Becton got injured, but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, TheClashFan said: The Jets penciled in Fant and Becton as starters, both of whom ended last season with knee injuries. Becton missed nearly the whole season. Depth was Edoga and McDermott, both trash. Mitchell was a nice pick in the 4th round, but he's really a developmental guy forced to start. So far he's held up okay, to his credit. I don't think it is bashing to say that OT depth was very thin coming in to camp and it was overly optimistic to pencil in both Fant and Becton as surefire starters this year. JD got lucky with his last minute band aid last year. Not so lucky this year with Brown, at least not so far. You’re not wrong. One thing is for sure next offseason JD can’t bet on Becton being healthy next year. If he is still here he needs to go into next offseason thinking that Becton is a non factor and address the left side . If Becton comes back then great that’s a bonus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 54 minutes ago, MykePM said: Duane Brown attended the Green-White Scrimmage two days before Becton got injured, but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative. Lol a visit? Ok? And? Mekhi Becton was injured August 8th. Duane Brown was signed August 11th. But dont let facts get in the way of your narrative. Edit: AND training camp was July 30th to August 20th, so damn near exactly halfway through camp. Sooooo.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, BrokeFatLonely said: Didn’t this guy play for the Giants a few years ago and absolutely suck? He’s played Left Tackle including in SBs with the Chiefs. He would have to be better than Fant right now with his bad Knee, and McDermott with his poor play. OTs don’t grow on trees so at least Jets are trying to improve a bad situation at Left Tackle especially. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 So signing an OT to the PS deserves a 2 page and counting thread? WTF. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Did they even talk to Jason Peters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, oatmeal said: How about the human turnstile at LG? We moved AVT a better player I wonder where he would be year 2 at LG… maybe better ? how about Fant getting dragged from new York to Cleveland and back again? How about the complete JAG at Center that he refuses to replace for whatever reason how about all this draft capital and cap space JD had to work with ^^^^ name a GM that had that much resources and time (4 years) to build a O-Line I’ll wait save me the excuses The apologists fail to realize that the actual starting OL before injuries was garbage too ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, jetstream23 said: Did they even talk to Jason Peters? Although famous for playing in Philly (and one year in Chicago) Peters is actually from Queen City, Texas. His offseason home is like a couple of hours from Dallas. In other words he probably would be playing in Texas or staying retired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, carlito1171 said: The apologists fail to realize that the actual starting OL before injuries was garbage too ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyduhamelshouse Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 who the F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 50 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said: So signing an OT to the PS deserves a 2 page and counting thread? WTF. Thank you, Joe Douglas. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, jetsrule128 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, TheClashFan said: The Jets penciled in Fant and Becton as starters, both of whom ended last season with knee injuries. Becton missed nearly the whole season. Depth was Edoga and McDermott, both trash. Mitchell was a nice pick in the 4th round, but he's really a developmental guy forced to start. So far he's held up okay, to his credit. I don't think it is bashing to say that OT depth was very thin coming in to camp and it was overly optimistic to pencil in both Fant and Becton as surefire starters this year. JD got lucky with his last minute band aid last year. Not so lucky this year with Brown, at least not so far. This is the dumbest narrative of this extremely dumb season. Douglas wasn't overly optimistic at all. He hosted Riley Reiff and Duane Brown before Becton got hurt. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 56 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said: So signing an OT to the PS deserves a 2 page and counting thread? WTF. This is where @jetsrule128 shines. Musicians and entertainers sometimes wait years and years to have their "breakthrough moment". This is his. Let him have this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 6 hours ago, Rob Moore said: Find me a team/GM that has built depth at the tackle position that is 4-5 players deep with viable starting caliber players. I know all the cool kids around here like to bash every part of the organization for everything, but it’s pretty hard to plan for so many injuries to a singular position. Nonsense. Every man and his dog knew Becton was going to blow up at some point. Some just deluded themselves into saying otherwise. There were plenty of us who sai Moses should be brought back with a starting position assured. Douglas is trash. The excuses still made for him on here are pathetic and most generally boil down to blaming the coaches that he handpicked. His seat should he as hot as Saleh’s if this bullsh*t continues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, dbatesman said: This is the dumbest narrative of this extremely dumb season. Douglas wasn't overly optimistic at all. He hosted Riley Reiff and Duane Brown before Becton got hurt. Yeah because waiting until August to overspend on a 37 year old tackle is really the stuff winners are made of. Moses would have signed for less. It was a debacle and even if Brown gets healthy there’s every chance his play drops off a cliff at that age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 hours ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said: Can’t criticize him for not addressing an obvious problem. Everyone has bîtched about McDermott, instant replacement. Upgrade? Doubt it if he’s been on the street this long. he hasn't addressed the problem sufficiently in any off-season so far. drafting becton over whirfs was a huge mistake. and then relying on him this year was an even bigger mistake....so many of us knew becton would likely get hurt. and lo and behold he did. should have drafted penei sewell but instead he panicked after losing out on trevor lawrence and drafted that assclown zach wilson.....whose best talent is banging his mom friends. this team is a sh*tshow and douglas hasn't been good as a gm. unfortunately the entire front office is looking like another bust and we have to clean house, yet again. the rebuild goes on but nothing good ever really gets built. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 hours ago, JTJet said: Its irrelevant that Becton wasnt injury prone prior to drafting him. A simple look at his frame was enough to tell most people there could be issues, and at the moment of his first injury, JD had essentially a year to form a plan to have a suitable replacement ready, and he did not do that. Bringing in Duane Brown halfway through training camp was not a plan, it was a panic move only AFTER Becton was injured...again. We were looking at Brown at the very beginning of camp prior to the Becton injury. He was at the G&W scrimmage before Becton went down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 10 hours ago, Rob Moore said: Find me a team/GM that has built depth at the tackle position that is 4-5 players deep with viable starting caliber players. I know all the cool kids around here like to bash every part of the organization for everything, but it’s pretty hard to plan for so many injuries to a singular position. I can find you 31 teams who have a lower payroll for their OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 10 hours ago, BCJet said: Seriously - its insane that people are saying JD didnt address OT, its so ridiculous its hard to even read. 1. Drafted Becton - and yes that is something that actually is JD's fault as Becton hasnt worked out 2. Signed Fant who played well his first 2 years and is now banged up 3. Drafted Max Mitchell who is outplaying Ekwonu and Neal 4. Signed Duane Brown - who again got hurt I dont know why there are so many injuries but the guy signed and drafted people at the position, unfortunately we are getting smacked with injuries. There isnt a team in the league that has 4 legitimate OTs what's also left out of this is if douglas drafted another tackle with a high draft pick to backstop becton then one of the other players like wilson/johnson/hall would not have been drafted. in light of the injuries a logical argument can be made but it also one done in hindsight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Yeah because waiting until August to overspend on a 37 year old tackle is really the stuff winners are made of. Moses would have signed for less. It was a debacle and even if Brown gets healthy there’s every chance his play drops off a cliff at that age. I love the emerging consensus that any competent team would have gone into training camp with a minimum of four starting caliber offensive tackles 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, dbatesman said: I love the emerging consensus that any competent team would have gone into training camp with a minimum of four starting caliber offensive tackles Or just not let our starting tackle walk in free agency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Or just not let our starting tackle walk in free agency? Fant and Becton were already under contract. You want to say that signing/picking those two particular guys in the first place was a mistake, I won’t argue with you. But, again: how many starting caliber offensive tackles is this team supposed to carry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Just now, dbatesman said: Fant and Becton were already under contract. You want to say that signing/picking those two particular guys in the first place was a mistake, I won’t argue with you. But, again: how many starting caliber offensive tackles is this team supposed to carry? Becton should not have been considered a starter imo and I thought as much at the time. The red flags were there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, dbatesman said: I love the emerging consensus that any competent team would have gone into training camp with a minimum of four starting caliber offensive tackles We should have simply drafted one when we had the chance instead of taking Becton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: We should have simply drafted one when we had the chance instead of taking Becton. Well, yes. That would have been ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 11 hours ago, JTJet said: Again, I will leave this for the slow to understand around here... I must have not been on the forum the day that Woody got credit for ANYTHING around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: Well, yes. That would have been ideal. I know, this is why we are here. Just a collection of poor choices at the wrong time. The goal with a left tackle is to draft one high and never speak of him again before he is inducted into the ring of honor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, dbatesman said: I love the emerging consensus that any competent team would have gone into training camp with a minimum of four starting caliber offensive tackles I’m totally stealing”emerging consensus”. When my burnt out brain forgets to give you credit, let this be a permanent record ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I know, this is why we are here. Just a collection of poor choices at the wrong time. The goal with a left tackle is to draft one high and never speak of him again before he is inducted into the ring of honor. Brick spoiled us I suppose! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I know, this is why we are here. Just a collection of poor choices at the wrong time. The goal with a left tackle is to draft one high and never speak of him again before he is inducted into the ring of honor. Of course. I’m not going to bat for Douglas here. Everything we’re talking about is a direct result of him blowing the Becton pick. But all this hindsight sh*t about “well, he should have known those guys would get hurt” is pretty silly. He did know. That’s why we signed a guy and drafted a guy. Now the guy we signed (who, historically, never gets hurt) is hurt too. Not really sure what else he’s supposed to do on the fly. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 hours ago, bla bla bla said: We were looking at Brown at the very beginning of camp prior to the Becton injury. He was at the G&W scrimmage before Becton went down. "Looking at" and actually signing are wildly different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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