Popular Post Paradis Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 Lets say he's even 70% as good as you'd hope he was gonna be. 80%... I don't care. The Jets don't show up looking like a team with-- A game plan a strategy for their opponent leveraging strengths/weaknesses Imposing their will Have sense of identity making adjustments We haven't had this much talent on the team since 2009... but you wouldn't know it. CS doesn't have a clue who they are/want to be. that's not going to change. Either you're a HC and you bring that to table, or you don't. 11 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Nope kinda feel sorry for the kid BUT then I think of this new his doctors crap and idc anymore. Jds failed o-line will get JetBlue destroyed and the terrible clueless coaching won’t help 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 No. He should demand a trade. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Yeah, because I've never seen a QB get not looking sack strip sacked as much as Flacco has in these first three weeks. LIke every ******* sack. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Paradis said: Lets say he's even 70% as good as you'd hope he was gonna be. 80%... I don't care. The Jets don't show up looking like a team with-- A game plan a strategy for their opponent leveraging strengths/weaknesses Imposing their will Have sense of identity making adjustments We haven't had this much talent on the team since 2009... but you wouldn't know it. CS doesn't have a clue who they are/want to be. that's not going to change. Either you're a HC and you bring that to table, or you don't. They coach down the talent on the roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, oatmeal said: Jds failed o-line will get JetBlue destroyed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 - He will be better than Flacco - Like it or hate it he is our guy for a few more years, forget even talking about drafting a qb this coming year. - Our craptacular underachieving defense is the biggest problem on this team 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Coaching has sucked, no argument there. But I do believe in LaFleur. ZW can escape 3 pass rushers from within the space of an elevator, and he has a lightning quick release that can effortlessly flick the ball 50 yards off-balance. So yes, I do think he has the natural ability to make a big difference… 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 I am going to say yes. I think he will get Berrios, and Moore more involved in the offense. If he gets some time 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Yes his ability to escape and run could literally transform the offensive line 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyduhamelshouse Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 he blows season over 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FootballLove Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 I think ur wrong...JD built his oline to show off Zack Wilson's off script, off schedule, run for your life and throw on the run talents. Should be just fine... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Just now, Beerfish said: - He will be better than Flacco - Like it or hate it he is our guy for a few more years, forget even talking about drafting a qb this coming year. - Our craptacular underachieving defense is the biggest problem on this team Bet if we fall within range of Bryce or CJ bet you he’s gone. No way ownership or management love how this injury thing is being handled 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 no. QB was not the problem. the OL was horrible. if they play like that for Zach it will be worst than Flacco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 No but it’ll be more entertaining then Flacco. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 Wilson sucks, team sucks, Saleh sucks, everything sucks. 5 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Actually I think faith and confidence in the QB does elevate overall team play, especially in close games or playing from behind unfortunately, I don’t think Zach is there just yet lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Bet if we fall within range of Bryce or CJ bet you he’s gone. No way ownership or management love how this injury thing is being handled he is gone alright. but we cant draft another QB. our window is now. if you draft a QB in 23 and get it wrong we waste 2 years on that. end of 24 we have AVT, Moore, MC1 and MC2 as FAs. the next year is this draft class. we cant pay them all. we cant gamble on another college kid with so much at stake. we should go for Jimmy G or Minschew in FA and roll with them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasyt Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 I really, really hope I'm wrong, but no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, doitny said: he is gone alright. but we cant draft another QB. our window is now. if you draft a QB in 23 and get it wrong we waste 2 years on that. end of 24 we have AVT, Moore, MC1 and MC2 as FAs. the next year is this draft class. we cant pay them all. we cant gamble on another college kid with so much at stake. we should go for Jimmy G or Minschew in FA and roll with them. Get a jimmy G type and let the rookie sit until ready would be my plan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 The defense can’t stop a nosebleed right now and doesn’t seem to bother with a gameplan. I’m not sure if Joe Montana in his prime would make much of a difference for this cursed franchise. Every week is an even bigger disappointment and barring a 1:20 miracle vs Cleveland we are an abomination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Yes. His inevitable failure will accelerate the sinking of this sh*tty ship. He can help ensure that Salad gets tossed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, FootballLove said: I think ur wrong...JD built his oline to show off Zack Wilson's off script, off schedule, run for your life and throw on the run talents. Should be just fine... 18 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Yes his ability to escape and run could literally transform the offensive line 18 minutes ago, shawn306 said: I am going to say yes. I think he will get Berrios, and Moore more involved in the offense. If he gets some time 18 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Coaching has sucked, no argument there. But I do believe in LaFleur. ZW can escape 3 pass rushers from within the space of an elevator, and he has a lightning quick release that can effortlessly flick the ball 50 yards off-balance. So yes, I do think he has the natural ability to make a big difference… 12 minutes ago, Larz said: Actually I think faith and confidence in the QB does elevate overall team play, especially in close games or playing from behind unfortunately, I don’t think Zach is there just yet lol All you guys have done is speculate that Zach might be good. So what. We don't show up on sunday looking like a well prepared/coached team. We just don't. We play scared/reactive every week. every year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 At least Zach should be able to move around and maybe evade a bit. It may not look any better than what we’ve seen so far with Joe but it will at least be …different. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Get a jimmy G type and let the rookie sit until ready would be my plan but your still gambling on a rookie QB. sooner or later he has to play like with Zach now. 23 and 24 we cant waste a single game to see who they are. JD plan was good and bad . good that he loaded this team with talent that our HC cant get to win with yet. but bad in that in back to back years a big lump of them are FAs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: All you guys have done is speculate that Zach might be good. So what. We don't show up on sunday looking like a well prepared/coached team. We just don't. We play scared/reactive every week. every year. I demand to be removed from that quote train immediately 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 Quote you really think Zach Wilson is going make a difference? I think he will. I think he'll likely be worse than Flacco was. Zach Wilson is basically Josh Rosen after year one, the similarities in (lack of) production are startling: Both stated 13 games as rookies. 55.2% to 55.6% (Rosen/Zach) Comp. % 2,278 to 2,334 Passing Yards 11:14 to 9:11 TD:INT 5.8 to 6.1 YPA 45 (-320 yards) to 44 sacks (-370 yards) 66.7 to 69.7 QB Rating Rosen, at this level of production, was effectively dumped from contention as an NFL starter, dumped by the team that drafted him, and relegated to instant-journeyman washout. He's on the Browns practice squad now... Zach was retained and no competition was even brought in. Then he was hurt, again. Now he is going to start, and we'll see if he has improved. If Zach had played for anyone but us, Jets Fans would have torn him to pieces as a loser/scrub/bust. I'm squarely in the pessimists "I want to see it, but till I see it, I won't believe in it" camp when it comes to Zach. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: I think he will. I think he'll likely be worse than Flacco was. Zach Wilson is basically Josh Rosen after year one, the similarities in (lack of) production are startling: Both stated 13 games as rookies. 55.2% to 55.6% (Rosen/Zach) Comp. % 2,278 to 2,334 Passing Yards 11:14 to 9:11 TD:INT 5.8 to 6.1 YPA 45 (-320 yards) to 44 sacks (-370 yards) 66.7 to 69.7 QB Rating Rosen, at this level of production, was effectively dumped from contention as an NFL starter, dumped by the team that drafted him, and relegated to instant-journeyman washout. He's on the Browns practice squad now... Zach was retained. Then he was hurt, again. Now he is going to start, and we'll see if he has improved. If Zach has played for anyone but us, Jets Fans would have torn him to pieces as a loser/scrub/bust. I'm squarely in the pessimists "I want to see it, but till I see it, I won't believe in it" camp when it comes to Zach. There is a QB with a broken back and one with destroyed ribs playing and zachs team will tell the Jets when he’s ready because of minor knee surgery We all know how this movie plays out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lith Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 Zach is not changing anything on defense. Safety play has been awful. Coverage busts have lead to TDs three weeks in a row. No pressure on the QB. Can't stop the run when everyone in the building knows the other team is going to run the ball. Stupid penalties turning 3rd and long into first downs. 2nd worst 3rd down defense in the league. Zach can make the offense better, but we may be starting a 4th string LT on Sunday. Against a very good defense. If we fall behind by two scores and have to play from behind, it is going to get ugly. I sure hope Zach is better than Flacco has been, but the team is so lost in terms of an offensive idenittiy and the abiity to game plan and make a stop on defense, that it is really hard to see it getting better anytime soon. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: I think he will. I think he'll likely be worse than Flacco was. Zach Wilson is basically Josh Rosen after year one, the similarities in (lack of) production are startling: Both stated 13 games as rookies. 55.2% to 55.6% (Rosen/Zach) Comp. % 2,278 to 2,334 Passing Yards 11:14 to 9:11 TD:INT 5.8 to 6.1 YPA 45 (-320 yards) to 44 sacks (-370 yards) 66.7 to 69.7 QB Rating Rosen, at this level of production, was effectively dumped from contention as an NFL starter, dumped by the team that drafted him, and relegated to instant-journeyman washout. He's on the Browns practice squad now... Zach was retained and no competition was even brought in. Then he was hurt, again. Now he is going to start, and we'll see if he has improved. If Zach had played for anyone but us, Jets Fans would have torn him to pieces as a loser/scrub/bust. I'm squarely in the pessimists "I want to see it, but till I see it, I won't believe in it" camp when it comes to Zach. ZW spent several weeks throwing to #3 and #4 WRs in his rookie season. Fields doesn’t look so good with his crap WRs, does he? Tom Brady struggled yesterday with Perriman, Scotty Miller and the rest of ‘em. Give the kid a chance… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, RoadFan said: ZW spent several weeks throwing to #3 and #4 WRs in his rookie season. Fields doesn’t look so good with his crap WRs, does he? Tom Brady struggled yesterday with Perriman, Scotty Miller and the rest of ‘em. Give the kid a chance… Would you have given Rosen a chance too? In any event, it's not up to me yo "give him a chance", it's up to the Jets, and they clearly have in fact "given him a chance". We'll all see how he does Sunday, presuming his Doctors allow the Jets to play him. I'm looking forward to it, and I hope he proves me wrong. He is the one who needs to prove something, not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 51 minutes ago, Paradis said: Lets say he's even 70% as good as you'd hope he was gonna be. 80%... I don't care. The Jets don't show up looking like a team with-- A game plan a strategy for their opponent leveraging strengths/weaknesses Imposing their will Have sense of identity making adjustments We haven't had this much talent on the team since 2009... but you wouldn't know it. CS doesn't have a clue who they are/want to be. that's not going to change. Either you're a HC and you bring that to table, or you don't. I'll just say this. I don't think he'll be as good as Arch Manning. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 54 minutes ago, Paradis said: Lets say he's even 70% as good as you'd hope he was gonna be. 80%... I don't care. The Jets don't show up looking like a team with-- A game plan a strategy for their opponent leveraging strengths/weaknesses Imposing their will Have sense of identity making adjustments We haven't had this much talent on the team since 2009... but you wouldn't know it. CS doesn't have a clue who they are/want to be. that's not going to change. Either you're a HC and you bring that to table, or you don't. Agreed. This CS has to prove it. They no longer get my benefit of the doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Yes. Flacco was a gigantic problem for this team. He does not fit the offense at all and makes the OL issues even worse than they are. He never ever should have started. It is popular to bash Flacco but I think there is no doubt he is a significant upgrade over Flacco and I think he will show it. I do expect he will struggle though in his first game back though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 It depends what you mean. I think Wilson will take a step forward this year and be good. I think our offense has the potential to keep us in games if he does that. Competent QB play makes us functional and I expect that to happen. However, I am extremely worried about the defense and fear it’s not going to get better. Even if Wilson plays well, I don’t see more than 7 wins being a realistic possibility with this defensive personnel/scheme/coaching 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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