Popular Post Integrity28 Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 It just feels like it, because if our history. If you look around the league there are a LOT of teams that are out-if-whack and struggling. All if these teams were considered playoff caliber: Chargers are being careless with their stud QB + the defense they spent big on sucks. Denver can’t get anything out if Russ, because they hired a Hackett. Only getting wins because of the opponents being even sloppier. Green Bay has one player. Bowles is going to be the first coach to fail with Brady. Raiders are a calamity. Colts forgot their identity. Steelers look like they’ll give Tomlin his first losing season. Arizona looks like a bust. SF lost their QB, RB and LT. So, I’m right with all of you in terms of “those teams can fix it, we can’t”. I don’t disagree. However, if Zach can ball, we can stabilize the OL (I don’t expect excellence, just more than a dumpster fire), and the coaches can adapt and stop doing their paint-by-number scheming… we might be a beneficiary of natural attrition and competitive turnover. 19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FootballLove Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 NFL is crazy. The Chiefs looked unstoppable even w/o Tyreek. While the Colts are TERRIBLE...even getting SHUTOUT by the Jags. Then the NFL happened...and the lowly Colts CLOBERED Mahomes and the Chiefs. Can't make this sh*t up. Like last year MW tossing 405 against the Bengals, or Flacco tossing 2 TD in 1:55 with no TOs. I really don't think teams (players) are that far apart. Seems to be the quality of the organization goes a long way. Quality of the coaching staff goes a long way. Jets need to become stable with a good Front Office and decent Coaching staff. We have the players to compete with anyone. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 Despite our one miracle win we have the worst points differential in the league. Would be by far the worst if Chubb goes down at the one. We were the second worst in the same category last year and the worst the year before that. For a lot of the other team’s it’s an outlier. For us it’s just more of the same. Our coaches seem stubborn and our linebackers and safeties are as bad as it gets. It’s bad. 11 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It just feels like it, because if our history. If you look around the league there are a LOT of teams that are out-if-whack and struggling. All if these teams were considered playoff caliber: Chargers are being careless with their stud QB + the defense they spent big on sucks. Denver can’t get anything out if Russ, because they hired a Hackett. Only getting wins because of the opponents being even sloppier. Green Bay has one player. Bowles is going to be the first coach to fail with Brady. Raiders are a calamity. Colts forgot their identity. Steelers look like they’ll give Tomlin his first losing season. Arizona looks like a bust. SF lost their QB, RB and LT. So, I’m right with all of you in terms of “those teams can fix it, we can’t”. I don’t disagree. However, if Zach can ball, we can stabilize the OL (I don’t expect excellence, just more than a dumpster fire), and the coaches can adapt and stop doing their paint-by-number scheming… we might be a beneficiary of natural attrition and competitive turnover. All those things are true, but they don't make me feel any better about the Jets right now. I'm watching Miami and thinking to myself that it's not impossible to jumpstart a mediocre team with the right mix of coaches and key players. Not abandoning ship yet, but if a QB change back to Zach and cleaning up the "miscommunications" on defense doesn't result in a noticeable improvement over the next 3-4 weeks then I'll likely join the chorus calling for a major change. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peekskill68 Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 If you trot out the same scheme week after week, ANY good opposing NFL coach is going to game plan to beat you. This obsession to rotate "fresh" players in and out while running the same basic defense simply has not worked. Unless you're coaching '86 Bears level talent, you're just setting yourself up for weekly failure,,, 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Despite our one miracle win we have the worst points differential in the league. Would be by far the worst if Chubb goes down at the one. We were the second worst in the same category last year and the worst the year before that. For a lot of the other team’s it’s an outlier. For us it’s just more of the same. Our coaches seem stubborn and our linebackers and safeties are as bad as it gets. It’s bad. 3 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: All those things are true, but they don't make me feel any better about the Jets right now. I'm watching Miami and thinking to myself that it's not impossible to jumpstart a mediocre team with the right mix of coaches and key players. Not abandoning ship yet, but if a QB change back to Zach and cleaning up the "miscommunications" on defense doesn't result in a noticeable improvement over the next 3-4 weeks then I'll likely join the chorus calling for a major change. All good points, and I’m not trying to make anyone feel better about the Jets … more like pointing out we aren’t the only ones that feel miserable … and this league is mostly crap and absurd. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It just feels like it, because if our history. If you look around the league there are a LOT of teams that are out-if-whack and struggling. All if these teams were considered playoff caliber: Chargers are being careless with their stud QB + the defense they spent big on sucks. Denver can’t get anything out if Russ, because they hired a Hackett. Only getting wins because of the opponents being even sloppier. Green Bay has one player. Bowles is going to be the first coach to fail with Brady. Raiders are a calamity. Colts forgot their identity. Steelers look like they’ll give Tomlin his first losing season. Arizona looks like a bust. SF lost their QB, RB and LT. So, I’m right with all of you in terms of “those teams can fix it, we can’t”. I don’t disagree. However, if Zach can ball, we can stabilize the OL (I don’t expect excellence, just more than a dumpster fire), and the coaches can adapt and stop doing their paint-by-number scheming… we might be a beneficiary of natural attrition and competitive turnover. That why I always kind of laugh at people freaking over strength of schedule or whatever during the offseason, you never know in the NFL. I think you're right though, for us, this feels all too familiar and lets be real, if Chubb just took a knee, the Jets are largely uncompetitive so far. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: All those things are true, but they don't make me feel any better about the Jets right now. I'm watching Miami and thinking to myself that it's not impossible to jumpstart a mediocre team with the right mix of coaches and key players. Not abandoning ship yet, but if a QB change back to Zach and cleaning up the "miscommunications" on defense doesn't result in a noticeable improvement over the next 3-4 weeks then I'll likely join the chorus calling for a major change. We will be waiting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It just feels like it, because if our history. If you look around the league there are a LOT of teams that are out-if-whack and struggling. All if these teams were considered playoff caliber: Chargers are being careless with their stud QB + the defense they spent big on sucks. Denver can’t get anything out if Russ, because they hired a Hackett. Only getting wins because of the opponents being even sloppier. Green Bay has one player. Bowles is going to be the first coach to fail with Brady. Raiders are a calamity. Colts forgot their identity. Steelers look like they’ll give Tomlin his first losing season. Arizona looks like a bust. SF lost their QB, RB and LT. So, I’m right with all of you in terms of “those teams can fix it, we can’t”. I don’t disagree. However, if Zach can ball, we can stabilize the OL (I don’t expect excellence, just more than a dumpster fire), and the coaches can adapt and stop doing their paint-by-number scheming… we might be a beneficiary of natural attrition and competitive turnover. Please….. all of them have had playoff appearances after 2011. They are in a rebuild, we are in a 10 year catastrophe of 4 HC’s, 4 GMs, an owner in England, a Fredo brother, what did I miss????? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: All good points, and I’m not trying to make anyone feel better about the Jets … more like pointing out we aren’t the only ones that feel miserable … and this league is mostly crap and absurd. No, but we're definitely the only team that has been miserable for the last 7 consecutive seasons. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, but we're definitely the only team that has been miserable for the last 7 consecutive seasons. Yeah was about to say the company changes year to year while we are the only constant 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, but we're definitely the only team that has been miserable for the last 7 consecutive seasons. How exactly does that impact what happens going forward this season? Or personnel decisions? Each season is it's own story. What happened 7 years ago has no bearing on what to do going forward. Do Saleh and Douglas get fired because the team hasn't won in a decade? I'm not following this reasoning except you and others screaming how you want to win now or that you just want to watch competitive football now with no regard for 2023 or forward. I get the impression some of the posters on this board would take a 9 win season even if it meant 3-4 years of 4 win football after that. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: How exactly does that impact what happens going forward this season? Or personnel decisions? Each season is it's own story. What happened 7 years ago has no bearing on what to do going forward. Do Saleh and Douglas get fired because the team hasn't won in a decade? I'm not following this reasoning except you and others screaming how you want to win now or that you just want to watch competitive football now with no regard for 2023 or forward. I get the impression some of the posters on this board would take a 9 win season even if it meant 3-4 years of 4 win football after that. The OP's point was to suggest other teams are miserable too. I was merely pointing that there's no way any other team is as consistently miserable as we are. Simple as that. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt39 Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: How exactly does that impact what happens going forward this season? Or personnel decisions? Each season is it's own story. What happened 7 years ago has no bearing on what to do going forward. Do Saleh and Douglas get fired because the team hasn't won in a decade? I'm not following this reasoning except you and others screaming how you want to win now or that you just want to watch competitive football now with no regard for 2023 or forward. I get the impression some of the posters on this board would take a 9 win season even if it meant 3-4 years of 4 win football after that. It's apparent that there are things at play that go beyond Joe Dougas and Saleh in terms of why the Jets have been bad for this long. The owner literally abandoned the team for 4 years and we had humps here defending it. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 The difference is those franchises don’t completely suck every freaking year The Jets have been a laughingstock forever Last respectable semi-competitive season was ‘15 under Bowles, who will at least make the playoffs this year and maybe win the Super Bowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, FootballLove said: NFL is crazy. The Chiefs looked unstoppable even w/o Tyreek. While the Colts are TERRIBLE...even getting SHUTOUT by the Jags. Then the NFL happened...and the lowly Colts CLOBERED Mahomes and the Chiefs. Can't make this sh*t up. Like last year MW tossing 405 against the Bengals, or Flacco tossing 2 TD in 1:55 with no TOs. I really don't think teams (players) are that far apart. Seems to be the quality of the organization goes a long way. Quality of the coaching staff goes a long way. Jets need to become stable with a good Front Office and decent Coaching staff. We have the players to compete with anyone. Well we got the players speak of because of JD, so let’s not discard him so quickly. Saleh needs to get better in many ways or it’s going to be over for him and be over real fast. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: The difference is those franchises don’t completely suck every freaking year The Jets have been a laughingstock forever Last respectable semi-competitiveseason was ‘15 Hey every year at least one other franchise is also a dumpster fire WTF are you complaining about. Send Woody your money and STFU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Yea, but we are the only team to not have a playoff appearance since January 2011. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 57 minutes ago, FootballLove said: NFL is crazy. The Chiefs looked unstoppable even w/o Tyreek. While the Colts are TERRIBLE...even getting SHUTOUT by the Jags. Then the NFL happened...and the lowly Colts CLOBERED Mahomes and the Chiefs. Can't make this sh*t up. Like last year MW tossing 405 against the Bengals, or Flacco tossing 2 TD in 1:55 with no TOs. I really don't think teams (players) are that far apart. Seems to be the quality of the organization goes a long way. Quality of the coaching staff goes a long way. Jets need to become stable with a good Front Office and decent Coaching staff. We have the players to compete with anyone. If you shrink the sample size down to 1 week tons of anomalous things can happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, but we're definitely the only team that has been miserable for the last 7 consecutive seasons. 18 minutes ago, jgb said: Yeah was about to say the company changes year to year while we are the only constant Do you guys really think I don’t know this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: It just feels like it, because if our history. If you look around the league there are a LOT of teams that are out-if-whack and struggling 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Green Ghost Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 We. Suck. Every. Year. Don’t. Compare. Us. To. Other. Teams. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Matt39 said: It's apparent that there are things at play that go beyond Joe Dougas and Saleh in terms of why the Jets have been bad for this long. The owner literally abandoned the team for 4 years and we had humps here defending it. I mean, this is the heart of the matter. Windy Johnson was being goaded into errands by Kraft and Trump, while they pointed and laughed at him. Regardless of the political angle. It’s just absurd that he’s such a sh*tty guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Do you guys really think I don’t know this? Oh I’m sorry must’ve missed the memo that you can only comment after you confirm the OP doesn’t already know the things you wish to write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DepressedJetsFan23 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I am aware the NFL is a week to week league, and if the jets come back next week - Wilson looks good, team is competitive, maybe even they win and go 2-2, it’s a whole new song we are singing around here, so I will try to be rational. I think the major issue I’ve had so far with this season is just how ugly every game has been. Like the bar was not very high this year and they are below that. They were non competitive in 2/3 games and the win that they had was much more of a browns loss. That is where my frustration has been personally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: Do you guys really think I don’t know this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Integrity28 said: I mean, this is the heart of the matter. Windy Johnson was being goaded into errands by Kraft and Trump, while they pointed and laughed at him. Regardless of the political angle. It’s just absurd that he’s such a sh*tty guy. In Woody's defense, he's never had a superbowl ring stolen by Vladimir Putin. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, DepressedJetsFan23 said: I am aware the NFL is a week to week league, and if the jets come back next week - Wilson looks good, team is competitive, maybe even they win and go 2-2, it’s a whole new song we are singing around here, so I will try to be rational. I think the major issue I’ve had so far with this season is just how ugly every game has been. Like the bar was not very high this year and they are below that. They were non competitive in 2/3 games and the win that they had was much more of a browns loss. That is where my frustration has been personally. If Titanic sailed in July she wouldn’t have sunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, jgb said: Oh I’m sorry must’ve missed the memo that you can only comment after you confirm the OP does already the things you wish to write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Do you guys really think I don’t know this? Yes and yet you made the thread anyways, lol. It's a whacky league. Agreed. For the other 31 teams. The Jets just suck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, freestater said: In Woody's defense, he's never had a superbowl ring stolen by Vladimir Putin. Russians love luxury brands. Jets don’t qualify. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: I mean, this is the heart of the matter. Windy Johnson was being goaded into errands by Kraft and Trump, while they pointed and laughed at him. Regardless of the political angle. It’s just absurd that he’s such a sh*tty guy. If Woody had left and he had someone like Ozzie Newsome come in ala Stick Michael then fine. Instead we got his brother who no one knew existed. It's worse than anyone probably realizes at the very top. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Matt39 said: If Woody had left and he had someone like Ozzie Newsome come in ala Stick Michael then fine. Instead we got his brother who no one knew existed. It's worse than anyone probably realizes at the very top. Woody picked the only guy to ensure Jets fans would be happy upon his return 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 And as a point of reference, Khan in Jacksonville seems like a goof, but at least he's trying. He saw Urban was a total disaster 10 games in or whatever it was and made a change. He also seemed to make sure Lawrence made it to him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Show us wins, the rest is anecdotal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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