PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I was going through the stats from the fish game last night and then started looking at ours... They weren't terribly different from the fish who just beat the bills... The 2 stats that did jump out at me were sacks and fumbles.... we allowed 3 more sacks and had 2 fumbles Miami didn't which all equaled a field goal more.... not even considering the costly jfm/CD penalties... We got some crap to clean up but maybe our foundation is better than I thought. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jbt Posted September 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2022 No the fish also suck 2 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, PorP said: I was going through the stats from the fish game last night and then started looking at ours... They weren't terribly different from the fish who just beat the bills... The 2 stats that did jump out at me were sacks and fumbles.... we allowed 3 more sacks and had 2 fumbles Miami didn't which all equaled a field goal more.... not even considering the costly jfm/CD penalties... We got some crap to clean up but maybe our foundation is better than I thought. Maybe - but they would have to overcome what certainly looks like top 5 all time worst coaching staffs in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Trotter said: Maybe - but they would have to overcome what certainly looks like top 5 all time worst coaching staffs in the league. I'll save my judgement for a few more weeks... things kinda blew up this week and I want too see how Saleh handles that. Specifically he gave something measurable in a presser regard communication/ simplification in the secondary.... that we can look for. I am hopefully but also admit it currently looks bad from our point of view. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Turnovers, penalties, dropped passes, and a few really bad broken plays have been the story of this team. I can see the difference in talent almost everywhere except perhaps the DL, which really surprises me. I am NOT seeing the talent there yet. But this team is more about mental mistakes in most cases. If they can somehow figure it out, and start winning the turnover battles, and stop giving opposing WRs massive gains on third down passes, they can win games against almost anyone. It's a very big *if* though... [EDIT: I checked and here is the biggest issue with this team this year. Interesting who is right behind us though.] 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I really thought the browns game was the mental exorcism that this team needed, but the we followed it up with the cinci game. After Zach, I’m out of ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, nycdan said: Turnovers, penalties, dropped passes, and a few really bad broken plays have been the story of this team. I can see the difference in talent almost everywhere except perhaps the DL, which really surprises me. I am NOT seeing the talent there yet. But this team is more about mental mistakes in most cases. If they can somehow figure it out, and start winning the turnover battles, and stop giving opposing WRs massive gains on third down passes, they can win games against almost anyone. It's a very big *if* though... [EDIT: I checked and here is the biggest issue with this team this year. Interesting who is right behind us though.] I'm thinking it's more simple than that... maybe I'm wrong but... I think everything else the same... the jfm/CD penalties and 2 strip sacks cleaned up... the Bengals game looks different for us. Keep the INTs and the couple explosives in play and I still think that game is different... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Thursday night games for road teams are generally outliers. Dolphins game on Sunday was also ridiculously hot and their D was on the field all game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, jbt said: No the fish also suck They don’t suck- but are definitely overrated. Even @ 3-0 I thought so. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Let’s see how the next 3 weeks play out. I think our offense can be better especially with how good Garrett Wilson has been playing. Our defense should be better. The miscommunications are killing us. Still don’t think this is anything more than a 6 or 7 win team. But the coaches and Zach need to step up or we might not even hit those win totals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Biggs said: Thursday night games for road teams are generally outliers. Dolphins game on Sunday was also ridiculously hot and their D was on the field all game. So fair to point out the single game. look at jets yards allowed and rushing allowed versus all teams we played... our defense is doing better than they get credit for Look at stats from brown versus panthers and Pitt Look at Ravens versus fish and rats The cincy fish game is just one example of a common theme. We are not performing that differently from other teams with the exception of the self inflicted crap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, PorP said: So fair to point out the single game. look at jets yards allowed and rushing allowed versus all teams we played... our defense is doing better than they get credit for Look at stats from brown versus panthers and Pitt Look at Ravens versus fish and rats The cincy fish game is just one example of a common theme. We are not performing that differently from other teams with the exception of the self inflicted crap Agreed the coaching gap is killing us. We have plenty of talent on both sides of the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted September 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, PorP said: I was going through the stats from the fish game last night and then started looking at ours... They weren't terribly different from the fish who just beat the bills... The 2 stats that did jump out at me were sacks and fumbles.... we allowed 3 more sacks and had 2 fumbles Miami didn't which all equaled a field goal more.... not even considering the costly jfm/CD penalties... We got some crap to clean up but maybe our foundation is better than I thought. Nope, give yourself some credit. Right the first time. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 This type of logic never holds up in the NFL or sports in general. X beat Y Y beat Z so X will beat Z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Let’s see how we look against the Steelers. We will be a quarter in. Decent sample size. If our defense gets thrashed yet again Houston we have a problem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Nope, give yourself some credit. Right the first time. Boooo.. "Mommy... the bad man is following me again" ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, PorP said: Boooo.. "Mommy... the fat man is following me again" ? Fixed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TuscanyTile2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: I really thought the browns game was the mental exorcism that this team needed, but the we followed it up with the cinci game. After Zach, I’m out of ideas I didn't really buy into the exorcism thing. I always thought Flacco svcked. We should be 0-3 right now but we had a miracle go in our favor (though we'll see if we're battling for draft position later in the year if that was a fortunate event). If Zach isn't great, I think our best hope would be for our OL to solidify as the year progresses. Personally, I think it will. And I think our RBs could become a real factor if so. And that will help out ZW. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, PorP said: I was going through the stats from the fish game last night and then started looking at ours... They weren't terribly different from the fish who just beat the bills... The 2 stats that did jump out at me were sacks and fumbles.... we allowed 3 more sacks and had 2 fumbles Miami didn't which all equaled a field goal more.... not even considering the costly jfm/CD penalties... We got some crap to clean up but maybe our foundation is better than I thought. Did you look at defensive stats like points allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted September 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2022 If the Jets play poorly vs a very mediocre Pittsburgh team big alarm bells go off. I'll repeat my mantra this team should be at the 'win or look good losing' point of their development. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, nycdan said: Turnovers, penalties, dropped passes, and a few really bad broken plays have been the story of this team. I can see the difference in talent almost everywhere except perhaps the DL, which really surprises me. I am NOT seeing the talent there yet. But this team is more about mental mistakes in most cases. If they can somehow figure it out, and start winning the turnover battles, and stop giving opposing WRs massive gains on third down passes, they can win games against almost anyone. It's a very big *if* though... [EDIT: I checked and here is the biggest issue with this team this year. Interesting who is right behind us though.] This chart encapsulates why father starts cursing Joe Nolan every time he hears "It's thiiiiiiird down....." over the PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Did you look at defensive stats like points allowed? Browns 26, 30 (us), 29 Ravens 24 (us), 37, 38 Cincy 17, 27 (us), 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, PorP said: Browns 26, 31 (us), 30 Ravens 24 (us), 37, 38 Cincy 17, 27 (us), 27 I really don't know what this is. In the first 3 games the Fins have yielded 64 points. The Jets have yielded 82. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: I really don't know what this is. In the first 3 games the Fins have yielded 64 points. The Jets have yielded 82. No. Your question was about points allowed, so for the Ravens. We allowed 24, fish allowed 37, rats allowed 38. I corrected the Browns line and went to put a note in that post but got a call while doing it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Ridge Jet Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 They’ve lost to two good teams which isn’t bad but there’s a lot miscommunication and little fight in the 2 losses which is my concern. Also, I think we’ve had a lead for about 40 seconds all season lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, PorP said: No. Your question was about points allowed, so for the Ravens. We allowed 24, fish allowed 37, rats allowed 38. I corrected the Browns line and went to put a note in that post but got a call while doing it... What I was implying is that overall, the Fins have given up less points in 3 games. I know they played the Pats and that skews it but I think the Pats would have hung a 30 burger on us. We always suck against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, PorP said: I was going through the stats from the fish game last night and then started looking at ours... They weren't terribly different from the fish who just beat the bills... The 2 stats that did jump out at me were sacks and fumbles.... we allowed 3 more sacks and had 2 fumbles Miami didn't which all equaled a field goal more.... not even considering the costly jfm/CD penalties... We got some crap to clean up but maybe our foundation is better than I thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PorP Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: What I was implying is that overall, the Fins have given up less points in 3 games. I know they played the Pats and that skews it but I think the Pats would have hung a 30 burger on us. We always suck against them. We have not played the fish and my post was all about teams we have played and how those teams have faired in other games. I'm not trying to project outcomes or guess games we haven't played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Until proven otherwise...we are not a good team. Our OL stinks -- injuries a big part to blame but we are going no interior push for the running game Our D stinks - same issues as always -- our highly touted DL doesn't get pressure, the middle of the field is open for pitch and catch from the other team's passing game Even if Zack Wilson's return helps spark an offensive turnaround you aren't going to win many games if you can't at least establish the run and stop people on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, nycdan said: Turnovers, penalties, dropped passes, and a few really bad broken plays have been the story of this team. I can see the difference in talent almost everywhere except perhaps the DL, which really surprises me. I am NOT seeing the talent there yet. But this team is more about mental mistakes in most cases. If they can somehow figure it out, and start winning the turnover battles, and stop giving opposing WRs massive gains on third down passes, they can win games against almost anyone. It's a very big *if* though... [EDIT: I checked and here is the biggest issue with this team this year. Interesting who is right behind us though.] Dline also initially affected and needs to adjust to the loss of Foley, since even though everyone labels someone like him a run stuffer, an inside anchor of the Dline that he was also affects the pass rush being easier for all other members of the Dline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I would expect the miscommunications on the D to improve. I would expect if/when Brown comes back the OL will stabilize to be slightly below average. The rest, who knows. On the negative side, there are a lot of mistakes that become big plays for the other team. Also, the O likes to give the ball away too much. On the positives - bad teams find a way to lose the Cleveland game (certainly Cleveland did); while it took a miracle, the Jets won and made the miracle happen - good teams find a way to win (or teams with the potential to be good). If this team is going to build this year both the O and the D need to get better and quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 one game at a time. the jets arelike everyone else. they read the papers and get full of themselves. after a win like at cleveland they were probably thinking pretty highly of them selves. and i'm guessing the dline thought they were going to have any easy time of getting to burrow. it didn't happen. the game wasn't all bad but it sure emphacised the fact that they need to play hard each and every game and play smart. they need to not turn the ball over and commit stupid penalties. it's still a game of inches and that means each and every play is significant and can tilt the game one way or the other. and this goes for the coaches too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, PorP said: I was going through the stats from the fish game last night and then started looking at ours... They weren't terribly different from the fish who just beat the bills... The 2 stats that did jump out at me were sacks and fumbles.... we allowed 3 more sacks and had 2 fumbles Miami didn't which all equaled a field goal more.... not even considering the costly jfm/CD penalties... We got some crap to clean up but maybe our foundation is better than I thought. We’re definitely a more talented team than the previous years. Jets still play like losers and everyone’s just tired of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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