Popular Post jetstream23 Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HighPitch Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Another positive to be twisted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted October 3, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, HighPitch said: Another positive to be twisted Well, none of them playedparticularly great. But it does give some perspective. One of the biggest positives I took from today overall is that the Jets are now talented enough to win some games where they don’t play great and they make some mistakes. It tells me that the ceiling could actually be pretty high. 15 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 The guy that is consistently not good is Fields. This year: 121, 70, 106, 174 yards 8,7,8,11 completions. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: The guy that is consistently not good is Fields. It really is starting to seem that way. I thought he would be decent. Nagy’s days seem numbered. EDIT: damn. I forgot Nagy was already gone. Maybe the next guys days are numbered as well. lol 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 So is Justin fields just not good? His stats look terrible so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: It really is starting to seem that way. I thought he would be decent. Nagy’s days seem numbered. EDIT: damn. I forgot Nagy was already gone. Maybe the next guys days are numbered as well. lol Nagy is coaching up mahommes again now. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gramsci Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: So is Justin fields just not good? His stats look terrible so far. He has the worst supporting cast in the NFL. A tragic situation for a QB that needs development 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Charlie Brown Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gramsci said: He has the worst supporting cast in the NFL. A tragic situation for a QB that needs development I wanted Fields and your points are the key ones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Gramsci said: He has the worst supporting cast in the NFL. A tragic situation for a QB that needs development i wonder if we can get all the genius football analysts on this site to give us one of those really good weapinzzzzzzzzz.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I get what you’re saying and I don’t like QBR either, but I’m pretty sure they’ve tweaked it since then so that outliers like this are less frequent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Mogglez said: I get what you’re saying and I don’t like QBR either, but I’m pretty sure they’ve tweaked it since then so that outliers like this are less frequent. They tweaked it, but it is still a very bad, universally mocked metric. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gramsci said: He has the worst supporting cast in the NFL. A tragic situation for a QB that needs development This is true, but he’s also been bad independent of that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 I'm a data/metrics guy. It's a large part of what my company does. But when it comes to rating football players, there really is no shortcut for watching the games. So many plays can be interpreted very differently from the stats. In baseball, they assign an error to the player that made the error. In football, a tipped pass by a WR who should have caught it is still an incompletion and INT charged to the QB. A Guard who missed a blocking assignment doesn't change the impact on a RBs YPC stat. And so on. PFF was supposed to address that, but they apparently have their own problems that make it barely worthwhile. I watched the game today. I think Zach Wilson played much better than his stats show. Time will tell. 12 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, T0mShane said: QBR is only a good stat when it makes Wilson look bad right? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 LaFleur has done a good job putting receivers dead in front of Wilson’s face, ensuring easy to read and process throws. Wilson’s strength is his zippy arm. His weakness is everything else, so letting him see it-throw it is going to be crucial for any success he has in the future. I don’t think other teams will let Jets receivers walk into the middle of the field like the Steelers did today, and they’ll challenge Wilson to beat them down the field, outside the hashes against man to man, where Wilson has struggled historically. Here’s his passing chart from today: all pretty short, middle of the field throws. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, nycdan said: I watched the game today. I think Zach Wilson played much better than his stats show. Time will tell. This is the way I saw it. He made some bad throws and some bad decisions. I did see what he saw on the first INT- he looked left and thought Sutton was going to stay with his man, which is why he let it rip. I don't agree with the decision, don't condone it, but it's not like he was chucking it up into double coverage. I think he confidently thought he had a TD on that play. With the second INT, he's gotta get the ball lower. Conklin has to catch it, but I'm going to chalk that up to Zach needing to be more consistently accurate. Otherwise, he was mostly stellar. There were many times where I felt Zach and Minkah Fitzpatrick were the best players on the field. There were also times when Zach's sheer talent shined through even in broken plays (i.e. when he dropped the pass back from Carter- freakishly athletic play by him). He avoided countless sacks and the pressure did not startle him nearly as much as it seemed to last year. He played with a ton of confidence and was lights out in the 4th quarter. The stats will come, but winning the way they did adversity and all is more important for the team's growth. 16 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: QBR is only a good stat when it makes Wilson look bad right? I never reference QBR, but it’s honestly extremely hard to find a metric out there that makes Zach look good. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 Lawrence had 5 turnovers today. Right after everyone in the NFL media was ready to anoint him again. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bowles Movement Posted October 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2022 Here are some more stats to digest. The Jets are rated 8th in the league on offense and 11th on defense A lot of posters were hoping for improvement with the influx of new players. Looks like they should be happy! 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: LaFleur has done a good job putting receivers dead in front of Wilson’s face, ensuring easy to read and process throws. Wilson’s strength is his zippy arm. His weakness is everything else, so letting him see it-throw it is going to be crucial for any success he has in the future. I don’t think other teams will let Jets receivers walk into the middle of the field like the Steelers did today, and they’ll challenge Wilson to beat them down the field, outside the hashes against man to man, where Wilson has struggled historically. Here’s his passing chart from today: all pretty short, middle of the field throws. Shocking that most throws were short to mid length, until you remember that he had a patchwork O line. Did you actually watch the game, or do you just follow the stats online? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 52 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: So is Justin fields just not good? His stats look terrible so far. His supporting cast on O , looks like the Jets last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said: Shocking that most throws were short to mid length, until you remember that he had a patchwork O line. Did you actually watch the game, or do you just follow the stats online? The numbers will come out tomorrow, but I’m guessing they’ll show Zach’s average time to throw well up over 4 seconds, which is basically begging for pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: I wanted Fields and your points are the key ones. I didn’t, but the roster is atrocious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: The numbers will come out tomorrow, but I’m guessing they’ll show Zach’s average time to throw well up over 4 seconds, which is basically begging for pressure. No one cares 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: His supporting cast on O , looks like the Jets last year. Excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: The guy that is consistently not good is Fields. This year: 121, 70, 106, 174 yards 8,7,8,11 completions. He’s in a weird offense but yea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: QBR is only a good stat when it makes Wilson look bad right? Chad Pennington has a higher QBR than Dan Marino. It's a useless stat. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Lawrence had 5 turnovers today. Right after everyone in the NFL media was ready to anoint him again. He lost 4 fumbles, which hasn't happened in at least 25 years or something like that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 28 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The numbers will come out tomorrow, but I’m guessing they’ll show Zach’s average time to throw well up over 4 seconds, which is basically begging for pressure. well over 4 secs- you really dont watch the games! i'll take that bet. if youll bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 47 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I never reference QBR, but it’s honestly extremely hard to find a metric out there that makes Zach look good. How about wins and losses??? He's 1-0 so far! Not bad, not bad. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Fields stinks, come on guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, Kevin L said: Chad Pennington has a higher QBR than Dan Marino. It's a useless stat. For the most part. But if you're QBR is in the teens or 20's it probably wasn't a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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