Week 5 vs MIA; the cynics thread

[Paradis]

Foreword: I want to be excited. Objective here isn't find a way around that.  

 

So while many of you have gone through a box of Kleenex this week, here's a list of things i would like to see against MIA to inflate comfort levels from "marginal at best" into "an El Camino with new paint".

1. Getting a W that isn't a result of broken plays/onside kicks, 4th quarter dramatics; including (but not limited to) opposing QBs handing out interceptions.
2. Showing up with a gameplan -- one that is put in motion in the first half of the game. So... a "plan" 
3. Zack doing more than throwing slants vs Man, and Posts vs Zone... let's see some timing routes, outside throws, fades, etc
4. re-read point 3...  DC will already be scheming with that in mind.
5. Need more production from the LOS... runs, screens, bubbles, reverses -- that stuff is supposed to be the Flower's butter.
6.  And god help us if can't dictate the pace of a game for 4 quarters.. [I'll even take 3]... Time of possession, play with lead, make the opponent uncomfortable.. you know, winner stuff. 

 

This is the way,

[Darnold's Forehead]

Agree with write up.  Stupid mistakes/penalties will cost us.

Don’t know Miami’s strength & weaknesses cuz I don’t care about them.  Hope Brown can play, should provide OL with some help.  DL needs to show up and Zach needs to stay strong in the pocket like he did in the 4th quarter.  Should be a better game for him.

Don’t let the WRs passed the safeties and we’ll have a better shot than people think.  DL MUST APPLY PRESSURE.  If Teddy starts ripping us apart like Brissett did because he has 5 hours to throw, we will lose.

[doitny]

you want a complete game. i think we are not there yet.

[SickJetFan]

6 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Foreword: I want to be excited. Objective here isn't find a way around that.  

 

So while many of you have gone through a box of Kleenex this week, here's a list of things i would like to see against MIA to inflate comfort levels from "onerous at best" into "marginal optimism".

1. Getting a W that isn't a result of broken plays/onside kicks, 4th quarter dramatics; including (but not limited to) opposing QBs handing out interceptions.
2. Showing up with a gameplan -- one that is put in motion in the first half of the game. So... a "plan" 
3. Zack doing more than throwing slants vs Man, and Posts vs Zone... let's see some timing routes, outside throws, fades, etc
4. re-read point 3...  DC will already be scheming with that in mind.
5. Need more production from the LOS... runs, screens, bubbles, reverses -- that stuff is supposed to be the Flower's butter.
6.  And god help us if can't dictate the pace of a game for 4 quarters.. [I'll even take 3]... Time of possession, play with lead, make the opponent uncomfortable.. you know, winner stuff. 

 

This is the way,

call me a cheap whore but all I care about is the W and even if MIA forfeits to get it...Ill take it!

[fullblast]

My humble ask is the same as every week; if you insist on playing from behind, just try to keep the deficit within single digits for the majority of the afternoon.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, doitny said:

you want a complete game. i think we are not there yet.

I'll take 2 quarters of looking like a decent football team on Sunday.   Our 2 wins to date have come from, basically, 2.5 quarters of strong play.  Playing HALF of a "complete game" would be progress.

[Paradis]

3 minutes ago, doitny said:

you want a complete game. i think we are not there yet.

Should be achievable… week to week, consistently? No, probably not. But every team puts a game together now and then. The jets have struggled mightily in that department in the last decade. 

[slimjasi]

Well, we already did #2 - we were up 10-0 to start the game and could have easily been up 13-3 at the half without two bad mistakes. Clearly, we had a decent plan. 
 

But I agree with the rest 
 

[kevinc855]

I want one commanding win this year. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

I just want to see Duane Brown out there @ Left and AVT on the right.

@Paradis is right about the rest, but I'd settle for some consistent tackle play. 

Who knows how good this offense could be?

[UnknownJetFan]

27 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I'll take 2 quarters of looking like a decent football team on Sunday.   Our 2 wins to date have come from, basically, 2.5 quarters of strong play.  Playing HALF of a "complete game" would be progress.

Pitt was half a game. We scored 10 points in the 1st qtr and were ahead, and scored 14 and played well in the 4th qtr. We also played to a 17-17 tie till the 4th qtr in Cleveland and then fell behind by 2 scores against the absolute best running game in the NFL and that was due to getting tired in the 4th qtr, then won in the end with 2 final drives even if one was off an onside kick. We played well most of that Brown’s game.

[SuicidalSince98]

Lol complaining that we were somehow lucky to win Sunday is laughable and pathetic, not to mention moronic.

[Beerfish]

Oline has to come and play and we need the coaches to rely on our CBs to if not take out but at ;east limit waddle and hill.

Also I think if we smack Bridgewater a few times early his play will deteriorate.

We must get out to at least a decent start, we cannot get down by 10-14 early.

[Supersonic]

39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I'll take 2 quarters of looking like a decent football team on Sunday.   Our 2 wins to date have come from, basically, 2.5 quarters of strong play.  Playing HALF of a "complete game" would be progress.

Let's hope they meet or exceed your lofty expectations ?

[Larz]

Guys 

I’m a proven good luck charm for weather, and my son is undefeated at jets games. AND he has a new hoodie 

[BRONX DUDE]

28 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

I want one commanding win this year. 

JUST ONE?

[Lith]

I am not worried about style points.  Just find ways to win games.

Most NFL games ebb and flow.  You have stretches where you have the better play and stretches where the other team has the better of the play.  Keep games close in the 4th quarter and make more plays than the other team to win.  This dream of a perfect 60 minute game does not exist, at least not for a team like us.  I will be very happy if we find 8 or 9 imperfect wins this year.

We are 2-2.  I am happy with that.  Not convinced that we are a good team.  Not convnced Zach is a good QB.  But maybe, just maybe, both can be average.  Which is way better than we have been in recent years.

First week in October and I have not done a mock draft yet.  Progress.

[Paradis]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

I am not worried about style points.  Just find ways to win games.

Most NFL games ebb and flow.  You have stretches where you have the better play and stretches where the other team has the better of the play.  Keep games close in the 4th quarter and make more plays than the other team to win.  This dream of a perfect 60 minute game does not exist, at least not for a team like us.  I will be very happy if we find 8 or 9 imperfect wins this year.

We are 2-2.  I am happy with that.  Not convinced that we are a good team.  Not convnced Zach is a good QB.  But maybe, just maybe, both can be average.  Which is way better than we have been in recent years.

#LoweredExpectations?

[The Crusher]

We are going to get disemboweled by the Bridgewater led Dolphins. Doesn’t change the fact that was Zach Milfsons first game  back after being a horror show last year. Dude still Blows before halftime but he doesn’t  realize it yet. None of you assholes tell him! Ok? 

[Paradis]

18 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

Lol complaining that we were somehow lucky to win Sunday is laughable and pathetic, not to mention moronic.

I think you can squeeze at least one more diss in there. Broaden your slander to include my looks maybe. 

[bla bla bla]

Miami is going to be our first real test. I don't think Teddy is much of a step down from Tua. So far we have faced:

Lamar in bad weather

Backup QB

Burrow but couldn't get pressure

Backup QB/Rookie

 

I'm happy to be 2-2 but we need to bring it this week.

[Lith]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

#LoweredExpectations?

I prefer to think of it as realistic.  We are not the Bills, or the Chiefs.  We have won 6 games last two years.  I would love to see us win 12+ games, but I don't think its realistic.  There is a lot of room between elite and suck.  Win half our games heading into December, catch a couple of breaks down the stretch and maybe steal a wild card. Then next year is the one for the high expectations.

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, Paradis said:

Foreword: I want to be excited. Objective here isn't find a way around that.  

 

So while many of you have gone through a box of Kleenex this week, here's a list of things i would like to see against MIA to inflate comfort levels from "marginal at best" into "an El Camino with new paint".

1. Getting a W

 

I think I’d just stop right about there.

I’m not asking for anything more than a W this weekend. Don’t care how they do it.  Offense, defense, special teams, low-scoring game, high-scoring game, trick plays, whatever.  Just find a way.

[SuicidalSince98]

13 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I think you can squeeze at least one more diss in there. Broaden your slander to include my looks maybe. 

I don’t go that low, keep crying 

[Paradis]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

I prefer to think of it as realistic.  We are not the Bills, or the Chiefs.  We have won 6 games last two years.  I would love to see us win 12+ games, but I don't think its realistic.  There is a lot of room between elite and suck.  Win half our games heading into December, catch a couple of breaks down the stretch and maybe steal a wild card. Then next year is the one for the high expectations.

you've come to the right thread. 

What i'm steering towards, isn't fame and glory yet. I'm just looking for signs of intent... or more of it, anyway. Particularly at Coaching and QB levels. Pitt is well coach, but the roster has eroded. That's not a murky assessment, just a testament to where the issue is. Saleh & co haven't been able to provide the same clarity. 

I'd be bet Tom Shane's good looks that MIA will look to take away those 2 easy reads from Zach. Let's see some throws out of that box. See where it goes. 

[Paradis]

Just now, SuicidalSince98 said:

I don’t go that low, keep crying 

A little smoke and mirrors. Nice touch. 

[Jets Things]

15 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I think you can squeeze at least one more diss in there. Broaden your slander to include my looks maybe. 

Shut up, ugly. 

[jetstream23]

12 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Miami is going to be our first real test. I don't think Teddy is much of a step down from Tua. So far we have faced:

Lamar in bad weather

Backup QB

Burrow but couldn't get pressure

Backup QB/Rookie

 

I'm happy to be 2-2 but we need to bring it this week.

Smart, experienced QB with good (but not great) talent.

Smart, up-and-coming HC who knows the Jets coaching staff extremely well.

Pockets of talent including Tyreek Hill.

 

Great test for the Jets.

[Supersonic]

Only 4 more wins to a BIG payday.  Get me a W any way you can, preferably with continued team progress.

[T0mShane]

The Jets should absolutely win this game. Their vibes have never been better, Zach should have some confidence, they get Duane Brown back, and they’re playing at home. If Saleh’s vision is ever going to be realized, this is the week for it. The Dolphins have all kinds of injury issues, and they’re loaded down with drama from the Tua thing. Ben Solak had a good observation this week: that the one thing the McVay Coaching Tree coaches are consistently good at it is coaching against McVay offensive tendencies. McDaniel may be a genius, but he’s not going to just throw his system away this week to avoid giving Saleh an advantage. On the flip side, the Dolphins defense is supposed to be a bad matchup for Zach Wilson because they play a lot of man to man/Cover One, which Wilson sucked against both last year and against the Steelers. 

[Lith]

8 minutes ago, Paradis said:

you've come to the right thread. 

What i'm steering towards, isn't fame and glory yet. I'm just looking for signs of intent... or more of it, anyway. Particularly at Coaching and QB levels. Pitt is well coach, but the roster has eroded. That's not a murky assessment, just a testament to where the issue is. Saleh & co haven't been able to provide the same clarity. 

I'd be bet Tom Shane's good looks that MIA will look to take away those 2 easy reads from Zach. Let's see some throws out of that box. See where it goes. 

I agree with most of your original post.  Especially your point about Zach & the CS.  Almost every big throw he had against Pitt was a fastball.  Whenever he has had to throw with touch, he struggles.  I think this is why he struggles so much with short passes at or behind the ine of scrimmage -- you have to have some touch on those.  If he is ever going to be anything better than a meh QB, he has to throw with touch.  

I would love to see him throw with touch outside the numbers on Sunday.  I would love to see our coaches dictate a game plan.  It was your last point that I disagreed with.  There are very few teams capable of dictating play for 60 minutes.  I don't think we are at that level, but I hope we get there.

[Paradis]

11 minutes ago, Lith said:

I agree with most of your original post.  Especially your point about Zach & the CS.  Almost every big throw he had against Pitt was a fastball.  Whenever he has had to throw with touch, he struggles.  I think this is why he struggles so much with short passes at or behind the ine of scrimmage -- you have to have some touch on those.  If he is ever going to be anything better than a meh QB, he has to throw with touch.  

I would love to see him throw with touch outside the numbers on Sunday.  I would love to see our coaches dictate a game plan.  It was your last point that I disagreed with.  There are very few teams capable of dictating play for 60 minutes.  I don't think we are at that level, but I hope we get there.

Lol it’s the “shoot for 60, settle for 30” mantra 

[Darnold's Forehead]

10 minutes ago, Lith said:

Almost every big throw he had against Pitt was a fastball.  Whenever he has had to throw with touch, he struggles.  I think this is why he struggles so much with short passes at or behind the ine of scrimmage -- you have to have some touch on those.  If he is ever going to be anything better than a meh QB, he has to throw with touch.  

[Lith]

3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Lol it’s the “shoot for 60, settle for 30” mantra 

You forgot the W.  shoot for 60, settle for 30 and a W. 

My teams gave me two wins last week wtih a solid 15 minutes each.  So it was more like shoot for 120, settle for 30 and 2 Ws.

[65 Toss Power Trap]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

I want one commanding win this year. 

I feel like that would be a game where Breece Hall puts up huge numbers, and we keep the other team's offense off the field.