SuicidalSince98 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 https://youtu.be/4yYeHScO_e0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 The first five minutes is Kurt Warner being exasperated at Zach not recognizing open receivers on schedule, holding the ball too long, and cowering under a pass rush. When does the LaFleur part start, because I’m curious how an offense that makes Mike White, Chris Streveler, Josh Johnson and a semi-retired Joe Flacco look good to great is hurting Zach Wilson? 10 9 2 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The first five minutes in Kurt Warner being exasperated at Zach not recognizing open receivers on schedule, holding the ball too long, and cowering under a pass rush. When does the LaFleur part start, because I’m curious how an offense that makes Mike White, Chris Streveler, Josh Johnson and a semi-retired Joe Flacco look good to great is hurting Zach Wilson? We see and hear what we want to see and hear 13 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: We see and hear what we want to see and hear Please watch the first five mins, my friend 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Please watch the first five mins, my friend Five minutes of Kurt Warner? Why do you hate us? 3 1 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Please watch the first five mins, my friend Lol Watch the entire video 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 LeFleur is a good coach, best oc we have had since we had the appalachin trail guy. Actually morton may have been better than bates. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, freestater said: Five minutes of Kurt Warner? Why do you hate us? I just want what’s best for the team and its fans. 3 1 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The first five minutes in Kurt Warner being exasperated at Zach not recognizing open receivers on schedule, holding the ball too long, and cowering under a pass rush. When does the LaFleur part start, because I’m curious how an offense that makes Mike White, Chris Streveler, Josh Johnson and a semi-retired Joe Flacco look good to great is hurting Zach Wilson? I am watching it now. Warner gives a really nice film room breakdown. LaFleur knows the game but not how a player of Kurt's caliber knows on field reads. All Kurt is saying is that Zach isn't making the better read that is there for him. Basically, he is doing good but could be doing better. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 The lad hasn't even played a full season worth of games, the mental aspect will keep getting better with more and more film watched. Not many in the league match his physical skills. Besides, I think he might be just showing off. He sees the wide open receiver but would rather rip a missile shot into a thimble sized window. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, pointman said: I am watching it now. Warner gives a really nice film room breakdown. LaFleur knows the game but not how a player of Kurt's caliber knows on field reads. All Kurt is saying is that Zach isn't making the better read that is there for him. Basically, he is doing good but could be doing better. You’re trying to explain the video to a guy who said Flacco looked “good to great” - he might have a different agenda than you do 1 2 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The first five minutes in Kurt Warner being exasperated at Zach not recognizing open receivers on schedule, holding the ball too long, and cowering under a pass rush. When does the LaFleur part start, because I’m curious how an offense that makes Mike White, Chris Streveler, Josh Johnson and a semi-retired Joe Flacco look good to great is hurting Zach Wilson? It’s a 25 minute video, watch the next 20 Minutes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, SuicidalSince98 said: It’s a 25 minute video, watch the next 20 Minutes It would be harder to troll that way 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: You’re trying to explain the video to a guy who said Flacco looked “good to great” - he might have a different agenda than you do I have been here a long ass time and chuckle every time he trolls someone into a serious response. I go "heh heh, sucker" and then I fall for it over and over and 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 LeFleur was doing the same sh*t last season. Some of the routes and plays he was calling were having all the WR bunched up in one corner of the field was begging for a rookie QB to throw INTs. Go back and watch these videos from last season it was either Warner or that other QB school guy total beating up on LeFleur. With that said. Zach Wilson doesnt not look good here is slow motion tape and looks confused at times which can be player, coaching, or both. Maybe Kurt can come in here and coach him up. Let us see if it gets better that bout all we can do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SuicidalSince98 Posted October 6, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, slimjasi said: It would be harder to troll that way Give him a break his world is crumbling around him as Wilson continues to progress. 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, slimjasi said: You’re trying to explain the video to a guy who said Flacco looked “good to great” - he might have a different agenda than you do I had forgotten that Joe Flacco throwing for 4 TDs and 300 yards in a come from behind win didn’t count. My apologies. 4 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just now, T0mShane said: I had forgotten that Joe Flacco throwing for 4 TDs and 300 yards in a come from behind win didn’t count. My apologies. Oh, so now comebacks count? Interesting. I 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: The lad hasn't even played a full season worth of games, the mental aspect will keep getting better with more and more film watched. Not many in the league match his physical skills. Besides, I think he might be just showing off. He sees the wide open receiver but would rather rip a missile shot into a thimble sized window. Watch the video. Its a good break down. Kurt is saying the opposite of what you are. He isn't showing off, he is taking an easy dump off. Its an improvement from last year but he has his #1 read open but he isn't seeing it fast enough to react and throw into it. He is taking an easy 5 yarder when the big gainer is there for him... he just isn't seeing it fast enough to react. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irktusk1957 Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 30 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The first five minutes in Kurt Warner being exasperated at Zach not recognizing open receivers on schedule, holding the ball too long, and cowering under a pass rush. When does the LaFleur part start, because I’m curious how an offense that makes Mike White, Chris Streveler, Josh Johnson and a semi-retired Joe Flacco look good to great is hurting Zach Wilson? I know, kinda makes you wish he's had more than 14 NFL starts under his belt. Friggin' loser. 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: LeFleur was doing the same sh*t last season. Some of the routes and plays he was calling were having all the WR bunched up in one corner of the field was begging for a rookie QB to throw INTs. Go back and watch these videos from last season it was either Warner or that other QB school guy total beating up on LeFleur. With that said. Zach Wilson doesnt not look good here is slow motion tape and looks confused at times which can be player, coaching, or both. Maybe Kurt can come in here and coach him up. Let us see if it gets better that bout all we can do. When he bunch receivers to one side you are causing mismatches. You get a 1 on 1 on the other side and when three receivers bunched on the other side you cause traffic and get the backer/safety to bite causing someone to open up. The problem isn't the play design so much as it is someone (LaFleur) being in Zach's ear during practice and at film saying "see this? You did this but you should do this". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, pointman said: I am watching it now. Warner gives a really nice film room breakdown. LaFleur knows the game but not how a player of Kurt's caliber knows on field reads. All Kurt is saying is that Zach isn't making the better read that is there for him. Basically, he is doing good but could be doing better. I’ll watch the rest of the video when I get home, but Zach’s biggest challenge is going to be shaving a full second off of his time to throw. As Warner shows (in the part that I watched) there are easy, quick throws to be made, but Wilson isn’t making those reads and every play becomes an adventure. In his stellar fourth quarter against the Steelers, his time to throw was 2.49 seconds (well below his average in the game of 3.31). He just has to pull the trigger and stop ******* around 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I had forgotten that Joe Flacco throwing for 4 TDs and 300 yards in a come from behind win didn’t count. My apologies. You're like, really good at this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just now, pointman said: When he bunch receivers to one side you are causing mismatches. You get a 1 on 1 on the other side and when three receivers bunched on the other side you cause traffic and get the backer/safety to bite causing someone to open up. The problem isn't the play design so much as it is someone (LaFleur) being in Zach's ear during practice and at film saying "see this? You did this but you should do this". no you dont need to put 3 WR in same corner of the field not 5 yards apart like he was doing against Pats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Irktusk1957 said: I know, kinda makes you wish he's had more than 14 NFL starts under his belt. Friggin' loser. 19 starts, then we riot. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just now, T0mShane said: 19 starts, then we riot. *I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I’ll watch the rest of the video when I get home, but Zach’s biggest challenge is going to be shaving a full second off of his time to throw. As Warner shows (in the part that I watched) there are easy, quick throws to be made, but Wilson isn’t making those reads and every play becomes an adventure. In his stellar fourth quarter against the Steelers, his time to throw was 2.49 seconds (well below his average in the game of 3.31). He just has to pull the trigger and stop ******* around At risk of this being a setup for the troll, I respond. I am with you mostly. Kurt is basically saying Zach reads too slow and misses his first read/the right read and goes to check down city which is ok but not ideal. Basically Kurt thinks that LaFleur is an idiot who isn't coaching Zach on what is the right progression or that he thinks LaFleur and Zach are both morons. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: 19 starts, then we riot. Or, in your case, 2 months before he was drafted 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, SickJetFan said: no you dont need to put 3 WR in same corner of the field not 5 yards apart like he was doing against Pats Who says you need to? Its not an issue like you're saying if its productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Irktusk1957 said: I know, kinda makes you wish he's had more than 14 NFL starts under his belt. Friggin' loser. Appreciate the passion and you make a good point, drop the name calling off next time. Thanks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, pointman said: Watch the video. Its a good break down. Kurt is saying the opposite of what you are. He isn't showing off, he is taking an easy dump off. Its an improvement from last year but he has his #1 read open but he isn't seeing it fast enough to react and throw into it. He is taking an easy 5 yarder when the big gainer is there for him... he just isn't seeing it fast enough to react. Ok thanks I'll watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, pointman said: Watch the video. Its a good break down. Kurt is saying the opposite of what you are. He isn't showing off, he is taking an easy dump off. Its an improvement from last year but he has his #1 read open but he isn't seeing it fast enough to react and throw into it. He is taking an easy 5 yarder when the big gainer is there for him... he just isn't seeing it fast enough to react. Or he has been coached to play more conservatively after last year’s poor start. Not what you want him to do but might be something he works himself out of as his confidence grows. I’m not sure it’s a he can’t react fast enough thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, pointman said: At risk of this being a setup for the troll, I respond. I am with you mostly. Kurt is basically saying Zach reads too slow and misses his first read/the right read and goes to check down city which is ok but not ideal. Basically Kurt thinks that LaFleur is an idiot who isn't coaching Zach on what is the right progression or that he thinks LaFleur and Zach are both morons. I didn’t have to watch a minute of the video to know that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just now, pointman said: At risk of this being a setup for the troll, I respond. I am with you mostly. Kurt is basically saying Zach reads too slow and misses his first read/the right read and goes to check down city which is ok but not ideal. Basically Kurt thinks that LaFleur is an idiot who isn't coaching Zach on what is the right progression or that he thinks LaFleur and Zach are both morons. Lets also keep in mind he cherry picked plays to highlight his thoughts. He probably could have shown or cherry pick same kind of missed reads on 30 QBs last weekend in super slow motion. I do think there is 50% chance Zach becomes a bust but lets not get too carried away from Warner. He did bring up the same points about Lefeur that were made last season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just now, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: Or he has been coached to play more conservatively after last year’s poor start. Not what you want him to do but might be something he works himself out of as his confidence grows. I’m not sure it’s a he can’t react fast enough thing. No coach is teaching him to play that type of conservative ball. Issue is Zach isn't seeing the #1 read develop. Conservative ball is taking the check down when you have nothing or throwing it away. He is taking the check down when the big/right option is there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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