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On 10/10/2022 at 12:06 AM, doitny said:

its not crazy to think you would have won a game with your best QB instead of your 3rd best.

same things some of you said about our 2 losses. if we had Zach instead of the statue we could have won. 

Or if they had either Tua or Teddy we would have ran our offense differently? 

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1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

Meh. If Tua is in they are going to pass more. If they pass more, they are passing against Reed and Sauce who were very effective in shutting them down outside of really suspect PI calls. The game might have been less close if Tua plays, who knows? And you can't just discount the shorter field scores because they were touchdowns and Miami was not really stopping the Jets in the 4th quarter. We won by 23 points. It was decisive and not like the Jets have no injuries.

The only thing I was discounting is this:

It's a ridiculous measurement of shoulda-woulda if it involves first inserting Tua into the game after Miami was already down by 23 points with under 5 min left, OR presuming the score would've been identical with their 1st string QB preparing all week or with their 3rd string QB entering the game cold after the #2 was the starter.

Even if we'd have still won, that doesn't therefore mean the score would've been the same (let alone the identical scenario in the last 5 min of the game). 

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2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Or if they had either Tua or Teddy we would have ran our offense differently? 

at the end we would have if it was a close game. very rarely do rookie QB play well in the 1st game. 

weren't you one of the guys here who said Flacco was responsible for those strip sacks? that it wouldn't have happened to Zach because he is so mobile? well Tua and Teddy are pretty mobile too. its not crazy to think he doesn't get stripped of the ball which was the game clincher.

Tua has had a good year so far and Teddy isnt no slouch. it would have been a closer game if they played. 13 plays in the 4th qt and Zach threw it 3 times. closer game and he is throwing it more. 

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5 hours ago, johnnysd said:

How is he not? His coverage stats are ludicrously good.

Because he has only gone up against one starting QB so his stats are skewed. Isn’t that why people discount the 3-2 record the Jets  currently have as they’ve only played against one starting QB?

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5 minutes ago, CSNY said:

Because he has only gone up against one starting QB so his stats are skewed. Isn’t that why people discount the 3-2 record the Jets  currently have as they’ve only played against one starting QB?

Which one are you counting as a starter - Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow?

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On 10/10/2022 at 1:46 AM, Sperm Edwards said:

We'll never know. Tua did throw 4 TDs in the 4th quarter vs. Baltimore to overcome a 35-14 deficit. 

Consider that all 3 of our TDs in the 4th quarter all came on failed Miami drives that gave us shorter fields. Prior to those 3 consecutive failed Miami drives it was a 2-point game. The Jets TD before that also game after a momentum-shifting interception that Tua might not have thrown there.

Granted they'd have still had to actually do it against us with Tua instead of awarding him a victory for a game he missed, but it's not really far-fetched. We may not have had that 3 TD lead in the first place if Miami wasn't down to a 3rd string rookie QB.

Screw them anyway. We've lost how many starting tackles this year, so shoulda-woulda-coulda. Even with Tua they were 2 plays away from entering this game at 1-3. You don't take this victory away from the Jets any more than you take those away from Miami.

Also eff them, lol.

We would have knocked Tua on his ass. And I’m glad we didn’t.
 

Hate to say it, hate to see it but he should not be playing in this league right now. 

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2 hours ago, doitny said:

at the end we would have if it was a close game. very rarely do rookie QB play well in the 1st game. 

weren't you one of the guys here who said Flacco was responsible for those strip sacks? that it wouldn't have happened to Zach because he is so mobile? well Tua and Teddy are pretty mobile too. its not crazy to think he doesn't get stripped of the ball which was the game clincher.

Tua has had a good year so far and Teddy isnt no slouch. it would have been a closer game if they played. 13 plays in the 4th qt and Zach threw it 3 times. closer game and he is throwing it more. 

Wrong guy, I had nothing on the Flacco strip sacks.  But I’ll say this, I don’t do the Tua or Teddy wouldn’t have gotten sacked or lost the ball.  Who knows.  Tua or Teddy could have thrown a bunch of picks, who knows.  You play who’s in front of you.  The Jets did and won.  

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8 minutes ago, CSNY said:

You get my point 

No, not really.

Facing Jackson and Burrow is not nearly the same as facing the Jones brothers (Mac and Daniel), even though both instances would be facing "starting QBs".  And keeping track of Hill/Waddle is tougher against ANY QB than sticking with two mediocre WRs/starting QB (Chicago, Jax, etc)

Is it a small sample size?  Of course.  But does that sample size include two of the top end QBs in the league?  Neither of which chose to pick on the rookie?  Yes, and therefore I'd say his short-term results hold more value than you're choosing to give them . . .

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