Elijah moore requests trade (merged)

[doitny]

17 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Neither option excites me to be honest.
People here are underestimating how bad this could end up for the Jets going forward.

My feeling is, if you draft playmakers, you need to find a way to incorporate them in the offense. If this was only about the Green Bay game, that would be one thing. I don’t think that’s it though, do you?

i agree.

do you remember when people on this board bitched about how bad this CS was because they couldnt find a way to get Mims in the offense last year?

who cares if Mims doesnt understand the whole playbook, make special plays just for him. LOL.

but now its like.... screw Moore . we're winning. who cares if he gets no targets. 

we are going to need these WRs and Zach to win us some games, they need to get more in game reps no matter how good were running it cause when we need then there is going to be rusty. 

 

[JustInFudge]

What a penis face. 

[Matt39]

35 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

I wish he didn’t do what he did, but this is pretty narrow minded thinking on your part. You’re looking at this solely as a fan of the Jets.

Moore is looking at it from his (granted, it seems selfish to us) point of view. He doesn’t think anything about his situation is going to change, and with the trade deadline looming, from his standpoint this is actually the perfect time to pull this.

It seems like he had a talk with LaFleur about this, and still wasn’t happy. What good would it have done him to keep quiet until after the deadline passed?

Would you stay with a company you were unhappy with if you had a chance to leave? I doubt it. Why do we expect pro athletes to do it?

This is self sabotage more than it just being unhappy. Any team having to keep mental tabs on a player by the day isn’t probably worth it. Especially one who hasn’t been particularly productive.

[Butterfield]

I like Moore a lot, but if a contending team would give up a 1, I’d take it.  He has been productive without Wilson at QB, so a team like Green Bay just might do it.  

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, derp said:

I'm sure a percentage of the board will come to one conclusion and a percentage of the board will come to another very different conclusion.

If I remove my Zach-skeptic glasses for a second, I’d say that the optimistic read is that Moore is a smaller target who requires tight window throws and Zach Wilson is not throwing it into tight windows, even on his best days.

[derp]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

If I remove my Zach-skeptic glasses for a second, I’d say that the optimistic read is that Moore is a smaller target who requires tight window throws and Zach Wilson is not throwing it into tight windows, even on his best days.

I suppose, but on the other hand if he’s creating separation at an above average rate (per the numbers) then there’s actually less need to throw it into a tight window, right? Unless they’re only calling the plays Moore gets open on when Flacco’s at QB.

[Barry McCockinner]

 

 

 

[SuicidalSince98]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Moore is getting open

Wilson can't play qb at a basic level 

Where? 

 

[Lupz27]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

It's funny how many people are saying that mims is going to solve this 

That guy asked for a trade weeks ago 

Look it's great they are winning and all but they are doing it without a passing game 

It's 2022 and they aren't even trying to pass 

That's going to catch up with them sooner rather than later 

As for Moore and mims they are messing with these guys future money. Moore doesn't get paid for breece hall's running 

It's not right but it's understandable 

This outside run ground and pound system isn't making any pass catchers happy 

The Jets are winning who cares how.  Let me guess you think Mark Sanchez didn’t throw enough passes in that Bills lose his rookie year when we rushed for like 500 yards.

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

The Jets are winning who cares how.  Let me guess you think Mark Sanchez didn’t throw enough passes in that Bills lose his rookie year when we rushed for like 500 yards.

Ground and pound works in the UFC 

In the NFL it is an outdated way to play 

It was obsolete 20 years ago 

The league is never going to reward offensive incompetence and that goes for Zach and Sanchez 

As for Moore he's not going to shut up and let his career go down the drain because they want to run an offense from the 1950s and nor should he 

This streak is fun and all but it's no way to play offense in the year 2022 

[RutgersJetFan]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

It's funny how many people are saying that mims is going to solve this 

That guy asked for a trade weeks ago 

Look it's great they are winning and all but they are doing it without a passing game 

It's 2022 and they aren't even trying to pass 

Blame this on Wilson all you want but when you've got Breece Hall seesawing his taint all over opposing defenses it's kind of pointless taking risks.

[92ShaunEllis92]

Ego is the enemy. 

[doitny]

24 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Interesting.  Pretty clear, from a major team insider, that he knows to expect more from Zach.  Zach is NOT the problem - it's the way he's being used.

 

no, maybe there using Zach that way is because they have no faith he can run a pass first offense.

Zach is 32nd in the NFL is comp % with 56. only Mayfield and Fields are worst. he is the only QB with a winning record under 65%. and before you say it.... everyone has drops. Zach has 7. 

you cant run a passing offense with a 56% comp %

so yeah , Zach is the problem

[Fantasy Island]

It’s not Zach’s fault:

56%completion rate thus far 

1 TD 2 INTs

only sacked 5 times

 

he is improving 

[JoJoTownsell1]

26 minutes ago, undertow said:

This whole thread is filled with people blaming everyone why is it people only get their panties in a twist if it involves Wilson?  Kinda suspect if you ask me.

On a day of dumb posts you managed to outdo all of them. Comparing Wilson to a guy that just demanded a trade while his team is 4-2 is comical..... at best. 

[bitonti]

6 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

 

 

Bart is right it is about the rings 

The Jets can't get a ring with Zach wilson handing the ball off 30 times a game 

Just like SF 2019 eventually these fraud offenses are exposed 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, derp said:

I suppose, but on the other hand if he’s creating separation at an above average rate (per the numbers) then there’s actually less need to throw it into a tight window, right? Unless they’re only calling the plays Moore gets open on when Flacco’s at QB.

The separation numbers are compiled only on completions, and he doesn’t have a lot of those. The two I remember against the Steelers (and from Zach) both came on the right side—one for 28 on an in-breaking route and the other on a deep out along the sideline. 

[Integrity28]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Except he’s not buried in the depth chart and to make matters worse the CSs responsibility to the team is to get wins not to keep selfish players happy.  

There was zero evidence of Moore being ‘selfish’ before this

You can both win AND put your best players in position to contribute. Moore is being schemed into a stupid role. He’s basically a decoy, because his routes take too long to develop and Zach can’t read defenses and wait for them to develop. So, similar to QW lashing out about scheme, I don’t disagree with Moore.

I don’t agree with the mindset of “you can criticize or ask for change because you’re winning”. We’re not always going to be able to hide the atrocity that Zach is - and then we’re going to need Moore being used smartly, and for the pip squeak get the ball to him.

Ultimately, Moore isn’t wrong. It’s a problem that needs fixing - even if we’re able yo get away with it right now. Good teams will figure out how to exploit it eventually.

[jetspenguin]

50 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

 

Would you stay with a company you were unhappy with if you had a chance to leave? I doubt it. Why do we expect pro athletes to do it?

There is your answer.

I understand your points but the kid has no leverage and has not earned the right to demand anything. All he did this week was let Cimini put a battery in his back, wind him up and put him in a bad light with the team and fans.

This whole scene is because he got tricked into reacting to a tweet by Rich Cimini.

Dumbarse

 

[Barry McCockinner]

 

 

 

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

 

 

“Modern day athlete,” says Bart Scott.

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, T0mShane said:

“Modern day athlete,” says Bart Scott.

Bart Scott is a national treasure.

[bitonti]

6 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Blame this on Wilson all you want but when you've got Breece Hall seesawing his taint all over opposing defenses it's kind of pointless taking risks

It's impressive they are winning like this but force feeding breece isn't going to beat Buffalo and maybe not even New England. 

The offense is dysfunctional even though they are winning games 

We all pretty much know that but people don't like talking about it 

[FTL Jet Fan]

Okay so what if it is Wilson and he needs more time. I would say it obvious and thats why they drafted Hall. Gives them time for the BYU product with impressive arm talent  to understand the NFL and the offense. Moore wasn’t willing to wait. 
 

I think it was @Jetsfan80 who said it, Jets fan are just mad that we are losing Moore. Which is 100% why I am mad. He is impatient and wants his day in the Sun now. So **** him.

If you can’t see Wilson rubbing some people the wrong way I don’t know what to tell you. I am a Wilson supporter as I see he has the talent but we need the mental side to be in sync with the physical. Then we can have something special.

 

 

[FlightBoyz]

This dude's agent is an idiot. What type of advice is that dummy giving him. Mind boggling. Also AJ Browns a doosh. 

[Irish Jet]

56 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Not surprised that you're on the side of a malcontent on a 4-2 team.  

I’m not on his side. He’s being a bitch.

I’m just not delusional enough not to see the reason why.

Sad that we’re losing a talented player because we can’t pass the ball. NFL WR in being a narcissistic diva shocker.

[Smashmouth]

28 minutes ago, Jets1958 said:

I don’t assess Moore as a nice thing. Pretty average. Meh.

Its a blanket statement, not just about Moore, its about the General luck of the NY Jets

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Bart Scott is a national treasure.

“Don’t talk to your friends. Talk to someone that’s been through it,” says Bart Scott. Moore’s best friend is AJ Brown. I listen to that show when I’m on the road. Alan Hahn should expense his Lexapro.

[tfine]

Ground and pound works in the UFC 
In the NFL it is an outdated way to play 
It was obsolete 20 years ago 
The league is never going to reward offensive incompetence and that goes for Zach and Sanchez 
As for Moore he's not going to shut up and let his career go down the drain because they want to run an offense from the 1950s and nor should he 
This streak is fun and all but it's no way to play offense in the year 2022 

No one has said we are an exclusive running team.


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[Lupz27]

14 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Ground and pound works in the UFC 

In the NFL it is an outdated way to play 

It was obsolete 20 years ago 

The league is never going to reward offensive incompetence and that goes for Zach and Sanchez 

As for Moore he's not going to shut up and let his career go down the drain because they want to run an offense from the 1950s and nor should he 

This streak is fun and all but it's no way to play offense in the year 2022 

Yeah I don’t think this is what LaFluer and Saleh want to run it’s what the game plan should have been, the Packers are one of if not the top passing D in the league right now.  If you run the ball and get 5-6 yards a pop then yes don’t stop running.

[Barry McCockinner]

5 minutes ago, FlightBoyz said:

This dude's agent is an idiot. What type of advice is that dummy giving him. Mind boggling. Also AJ Browns a doosh. 

This is went I think something happened that made him have an emotional reaction today. No agent in their right mind would have suggested this was a good time to ask for a trade.

[PepPep]

JD will make the right move. 

[Gastineau Lives]

13 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Bart is right it is about the rings 

The Jets can't get a ring with Zach wilson handing the ball off 30 times a game 

Just like SF 2019 eventually these fraud offenses are exposed 

Name the game where they should have thrown the ball more and they didn't.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

18 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Blame this on Wilson all you want but when you've got Breece Hall seesawing his taint all over opposing defenses it's kind of pointless taking risks.

You’ve always had such a way with words. 

[derp]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The separation numbers are compiled only on completions, and he doesn’t have a lot of those. The two I remember against the Steelers (and from Zach) both came on the right side—one for 28 on an in-breaking route and the other on a deep out along the sideline. 

From the last page, this was after week three which is why I made the comment about only calling the plays Moore gets open when Flacco is at QB:

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"Moore has run an NFL-high 150 pass routes but has been targeted only 21 times. That's a target/route ratio of 14%, which ranks 150th. There's another way to look at it: He has run more yardage on untargeted routes (1,882 yards) than any player in the league.

He is getting open -- a lot. According to a new ESPN metric that tracks separation on untargeted routes, Moore's "open" score is tops on the Jets and tied for 15th in the NFL. His production slippage could be tied to the fact that he's running more vertical routes than he did as a rookie, as his average target has gone from 11.9 yards to 14.3. Clearly, quarterback Joe Flacco wasn't able to capitalize.

Moore's "superpower," to use an expression from the Jets' coaches, is his ability to separate quickly and make plays in space. At 5-foot-10, he's not the quintessential deep threat. Offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur believes Moore can do it all, explaining that he was used on deep routes last week because the Cincinnati Bengals packed the middle and "begged" them to throw outside."