Elijah moore requests trade (merged)

[HighPitch]

18 minutes ago, August said:

 

wow!

[TuscanyTile2]

19 minutes ago, Columbia Jet Fan said:

Its honestly almost worse he is showing up today. Just shows this wasn't really a thought out plan just Elijah getting all emotional and frankly acting like a brat. He is about three ugly situations away from taking his shirt off mid game, running off the field and then whipping his dick out at a hotel pool... 

Sucks

It's the trade-off of being willing to deal with a player's immaturity due to his talent/potential.

It feels like these things often end up with the player getting traded or cut.

[JoJoTownsell1]

Moore not playing this week is a good move by the jets. Can't let clowns run the show especially ones that haven't been the reason why we're winning. 

[AFJF]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I can explain to you but I can't understand it for you. ?‍♂️

Correct.  I'll never understand somebody being angry at somebody for being too smart to fall for a dumb lie.

[oatmeal]

23 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

 

This is clown shoes stuff 

he don’t want to be here and the world knows and THATS OKAY!

stop it with this stupidity NYJ

[Irish Jet]

4 minutes ago, BroadwayBen said:

 

It clearly is a punishment but Robert Saleh is quite literally incapable of saying anything negative about any player. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, AFJF said:

Correct.  I'll never understand somebody being angry at somebody for being too smart to fall for a dumb lie.

That's not why people were mad. You are missing the point and I'm not going to waste another second on it 

[oatmeal]

3 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

wow!

I mean we all been critical of the mr smarty pants OC, maybe Moore’s is seeing what we are?

[oatmeal]

1 minute ago, Irish Jet said:

It clearly is a punishment but Robert Saleh is quite literally incapable of saying anything negative about any player. 

*anyone not named mims or Becton 

 

[Darnold's Forehead]

3 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

It clearly is a punishment but Robert Saleh is quite literally incapable of saying anything negative about any player. 

He ain’t 110% ok

Honestly think this is to avoid the inevitable outburst were he to play Sunday and get another 0 targets lol.

[Barry McCockinner]

Man - if Mims has a big day it's going to be ?

[AFJF]

8 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

That's not why people were mad. You are missing the point and I'm not going to waste another second on it 

They were mad because they thought Cimini was making something out of nothing.  Turns out he was smarter than they were which has only made them angrier.

 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Man - if Mims has a big day it's going to be ?

 

Just give me like 20 yard jump ball in the endzone for a TD. That's all I need. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

12 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

It clearly is a punishment but Robert Saleh is quite literally incapable of saying anything negative about any player. 

Joe D never said a bad word about Jamal Adams and that worked out great.

Keep that value high.

[TuscanyTile2]

6 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Man - if Mims has a big day it's going to be ?

"Zippy to Mimsy" is the new "Montana to Rice".

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

3 minutes ago, AFJF said:

They were mad because they thought Cimini was making something out of nothing.  Turns out he was smarter than they were which has only made them angrier.

Yeah because he has a history of making something out of nothing lol. He often doesn't tell the full story and rather stir the pot and slant towards the negative side most of the time. 

[DeerPark]

16 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

Elijah Moore is not a field stretcher.

unfortunately moore is an undersized receiver with average speed.  fortunately, we have replacements....with all the hype about how professional this guy was, just wished this would have stayed in the building and both parties agree to separate.  it's a business and putting stuff on social media is never good.

[TuscanyTile2]

This is all it would've taken to keep Moore happy.  

[Jetsfan80]

21 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

And you're saying this because the Mark Sanchez approach worked so well?

Technically, they DID get as much as they could out of the Mark Sanchez era.  

The problem isn't the approach.  The problem is when the QB sucks and the only thing you can do is hide him.  And then a bigger problem ensues when you double down on that QB (I.E. when Tannenbaum handed him a contract extension for no good reason).  

[TuscanyTile2]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Technically, they DID get as much as they could out of the Mark Sanchez era.  

The problem isn't the approach.  The problem is when the QB sucks and the only thing you can do is hide him.  And then a bigger problem ensues when you double down on that QB (I.E. when Tannenbaum handed him a contract extension for no good reason).  

That was the point I was trying to make.  We won games with Sanchez but he was more of a passenger on that train (which you can't really be at that position if you're hoping to win it all).

[fullblast]

LOL

 

[fullblast]

Looks like Moore has deleted everything from his twitter feed related to this entire soap opera. ?‍♂️

[AFJF]

4 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Yeah because he has a history of making something out of nothing lol. He often doesn't tell the full story and rather stir the pot and slant towards the negative side most of the time. 

For example?

[T0mShane]

29 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Fwiw, since I taunted Shane on this topic, what Daboll has done w/ Jones is impressive.  His ability to cater offenses and get the most out of a QB is really something special.  Might be the best in the league at it but the Giants are still one of the worst passing teams in the league.  

I dont really follow the Giants so not sure if it's been due to injury but on paper, they have some solid skills players.  Barkley might be the #1 in the league right now.  Wan'Dale Robinson is going to be special, book it.  Not sure why Kadarius Toney doesnt get more run but dude could be electric.  Kenny Galloday and Darius Slayton can stretch the field.  Bellinger looks like a solid TE.  idk, wonder if they suffer a bit from Jones similar to Jets do from Wilson.  Not arguing it's better than the Jets but I wonder if they're really all that far apart. 

Toney and Golladay are flagrantly malingering. 

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

Your argument isn’t a good one 

stilt replying unless you make a better one!

It was a good enough point for you to decide to create a divergent argument out if it. So there’s that.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

2 minutes ago, AFJF said:

For example?

You want an example of how Cimini has slanted towards the negative side? I don't have time to pull up his entire career.

[slimjasi]

Just now, Integrity28 said:

It was a good enough point for you to decide to create a divergent argument out if it. So there’s that.

[tommyduhamelshouse]

24 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Moore not playing this week is a good move by the jets. Can't let clowns run the show especially ones that haven't been the reason why we're winning. 

he ain't playing this week AT THE LEAST.

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Dumbest take?

So let me be clear, it's your contention that height and size don't play a significant role in a WR's ability?

Tiny Eli is a little dude - little dudes have a harder time in NFL.

You surely may not agree I guess - but worst take?

The data literally show that’s he’s open more often. It has nothing to do with how big he is, and some of the most productive WRs in the history of the league have been small.

What you’re doing is making up a reason why the guy who gets open isn’t making catches - so Zach isn’t to blame. 

Problem is, if you contrast his routes run (high), openness (high), with his target rate (low), it’s obvious it’s about the decisions the QB is making. Not his size.

So yes, easily the dumbest take. As usual.

[Barry McCockinner]

8 minutes ago, fullblast said:

LOL

 

I'm sure he has more than one teammate who is angry with him right now. Everyone in the locker room is working their asses off trying to get a win and this dipsh*t is whining while they do.

[AFJF]

2 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

You want an example of how Cimini has slanted towards the negative side? I don't have time to pull up his entire career.

I'm only asking for one. 

[football guy]

As much as I hate the modern athlete (especially at WR), I do understand when a player requests a trade over money or when they’re in a situation that doesn’t suit them. This is the reality of sports these days. In recent history... 

• AJ Brown wanted out of TEN over money. 
• Marquies Brown wanted out of MIN because of his usage in a run-first team. 
• Davante Adams wanted out of GB over money and his desire to be on the West Coast. 
• Deebo Samuel wanted out of SF over money (eventually got paid by SF). 
• Stefon Diggs wanted out of MIN because of his usage in a run-first offense. 
• Antonio Brown wanted out of PIT because of money and CTE. 

The difference between these guys and Moore? Not a single one of them did it midseason, nor did they do it coming off a winning streak. The closest situation to Moore's is Stefon Diggs. Entering week 5 of the 2019 season Diggs was unhappy with the run-first game plan and had been upset with his usage in the first 4. He skipped meetings on Monday and practice on Wednesday without notifying the team. He was fined $200,000 by the team, but returned and played out the remainder of the season (they went 10-6 and made the playoffs). He went on to get traded in the offseason and the rest is history. 

There are a few key differences with Moore and Diggs. Diggs was in his 5th year coming off a mega-extension after having already established himself as a very good player in his first 4 seasons, the team was playing inconsistent and coming off a horrific loss against the Bears where they only scored 6 points. Despite Diggs antics, he did not officially request a trade until the offseason. Moore may be talented, but by no means has he proven anything yet. If the guy was upset fine. If he decided he didn't want to be here long-term because he wants to be on a pass-heavy team fine. But to request a trade coming off a 3-game win streak when you have yet to prove anything in the league is the worst possible look. 

Really hoping Denzel Mims has a big moment this week. Elijah Moore can learn a thing-or-two about how he's handled his role. 

[Integrity28]

36 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I definitely won’t contest the dumb part, but will remain steadfast in my belief that a player who does something like that is selfish.

Hopefully he grows from this, but I have my doubts until shown otherwise, at this point.  He’s at the facility today and, barring an apology or removal of his trade request (both would be nice), I’d rather he be benched to be made an example of.  This is best start this team has had in over a decade, and Moore decided that he was going to do everything in his power to make it as difficult as possible to continue that success.

I guess where we disagree (and @slats can get in on this) is that I think a person can do something dumb that inevitably serves a selfish need, without being categorically “selfish”. The latter being a designation for athletes across many sports, and something that typically carries a stigma… many posters are lumping Elijah into that category after one incident (then using the dig pee thing as “evidence of a history”).

I don’t think it’s rational, fair or accurate.

 

[56mehl56]

33 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

And you're saying this because the Mark Sanchez approach worked so well?

It actually did until they let OLinemen leave in FA , and then Rex's D fell apart. Where the Jets are right this moment this approach is their best way to win. As the Oline stabilizes and Wilson starts progressing the O can become much more aggressive and open . 

[56mehl56]

37 minutes ago, undertow said:

Yeah I mean who needs a QB in 2022 I'm sure we can win a SB trying to hide the QB.  We drafted a QB 2nd overall, a WR 10th, another 2 WRs in the second round but who cares about the passing game everything is going according to plan.

No one's hiding the QB , its just that Jet fans have the patience of a gnat . Wilson has played a sum total of what 15 games , Lafleur has been an OC and Saleh a HC for 22 games, things are still evolving but apparently not fast enough for some regardless of the fact the team is winning .