Elijah moore requests trade (merged)

[Dcat]

13 hours ago, Paradis said:

Dude. I work as an Employee Relations specialist for a company of 20k staff. Translation I spend all day dealing with onerous staff who feel victimized by anything from bad weather to perfume. I agree 10000%. But as I tell my directors and Leaders - you can’t change that, but you can learn to manage it - and therefore control it. 

Same responsibility lies on every GM’s lap. 

exactly!  I had your job position in mind when I posted that.   I have a couple of other HR friends who are very high up in the chain of their companies (like you) and they report that they see a humongous difference in how the20 somethings manage issues from the older tiers.  

[Butterfield]

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Did this confrontation happen prior to the trade demand? Meaning did he ignore his teammates and demand a trade anyways?

Nope, this happened yesterday from what I understand.

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, Lith said:

Good.  Hopefully veteran players (and one wise beyond his years rookie) can get him in line.  That is the sign of a healthy locker room.

The locker room seems focused. We’ll see how it plays out on Sunday, but they have chance to separate themselves from teams of years past, especially in terms of how they handle distractions and adversity.

[T0mShane]

12 hours ago, derp said:

Sneak into the playoffs and hope he gets hot for four games a-la his current backup, the Manning from across town (x2), or large phallus Nicholas.

Wilson stylistically needs a true X, so does the offense in general obviously. If you’re going to try to piece together a passing game with the Moore’s and Wilson’s of the world then take a backup in the draft who doesn’t have an exciting arm but gets the ball out quickly and accurately and see what happens if (when) Wilson misses time.

Whole offense is square pegs and round holes. Or maybe there’s just one square peg. They maybe got the defense sorted so perhaps there’s hope.

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

[AlexVanDyke]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

Huh? This is an idiotic post

[SuicidalSince98]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

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[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, AlexVanDyke said:

Huh? This is an idiotic post

Can you expand on this?

[Jimmy 2 Times]

22 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

I must agree.  

The Shanahan offense every receiver is supposed to play every position.  It's why Mims never played (supposedly), why exclusively stick Moore at X?  

 

Here's an article explaining the receiver positions in a Shanahan offense:

 

 The X is usually your best receiver or the alpha of the group. Think Julio, Deandre, or Thomas. He doesn’t have to be a speed demon but he has to be a threat at every level.

Now the Z on the other hand is off the line scrimmage and usually on the same side of the formation as the Y/slot receiver and/or TE(who is also called Y in 2 receiver formations). He lines up off the line scrimmage and can be motioned across the formation. This guy IS usually your speed demon because you want him to draw coverage away from your underneath Y routes. But still must have the requisite toughness to do the intermediate stuff. Now as I said you usually want your X to be your best receiver but some teams do it differently with Tyreek Hill and Brandon Cooks being prime examples of the Z being the main threat.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/6/10/18659578/clearing-up-the-differences-between-the-x-and-z-receivers

 

Moore should be the Z and Davis the X.

 

 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

In a perfect world Davis is the X while Moore and Wilson interchange between the slot and Z.

[Mogglez]

49 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

Davis has been our best WR, and relatively solid for the money he is making.  The “Next-Gen” separation numbers aren’t telling the whole story, because Corey has been sure handed and made clutch plays when needed.

The guy really stealing Moore’s “natural position” reps is Garrett Wilson.  However, what’s interesting there is that Wilson is, probably, the better all-around better option for that role because of his combination of size and skill set.  The question I believe the staff has had internally is do we sacrifice our most talented WRs full potential and move him to Moore’s position, or do we hope that Moore truly is a Santana Moss/Steve Smith type who can play inside and outside?  That’s why what Mims does this weekend will be incredibly important and interesting for this whole situation.  Mims got caught in a numbers game and has been playing out of position since last year.  He’s, presumably, going back where he belongs this weekend.  If he plays well, this may  turn the whole conundrum on its head.

[Mogglez]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I must agree.  

The Shanahan offense every receiver is supposed to play every position.  It's why Mims never played (supposedly), why exclusively stick Moore at X?  

 

Here's an article explaining the receiver positions in a Shanahan offense:

 

 The X is usually your best receiver or the alpha of the group. Think Julio, Deandre, or Thomas. He doesn’t have to be a speed demon but he has to be a threat at every level.

Now the Z on the other hand is off the line scrimmage and usually on the same side of the formation as the Y/slot receiver and/or TE(who is also called Y in 2 receiver formations). He lines up off the line scrimmage and can be motioned across the formation. This guy IS usually your speed demon because you want him to draw coverage away from your underneath Y routes. But still must have the requisite toughness to do the intermediate stuff. Now as I said you usually want your X to be your best receiver but some teams do it differently with Tyreek Hill and Brandon Cooks being prime examples of the Z being the main threat.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/6/10/18659578/clearing-up-the-differences-between-the-x-and-z-receivers

 

Moore should be the Z and Davis the X.

 

 

Kind of yes and kind of no.  LaFleur’s version of this offense is a mix of Kyle’s and a mix of his brother’s, so trying to identify what they want the WRs to do is tough to completely pinpoint.

[GandWFan]

19 hours ago, Alka said:

Elijah is a young man who needs to become more mature.  He didn't commit an unforgivable act that should throw him to the bench for the rest of his Jets career.  He needs some guidance and be accountable for his mistakes.  He is an asset on this team that the Jets will need down the road to help win games, and be a part of the success of this team.

I say, give him some time, and allow him the opportunity to apologize for his transgressions, which I believe he will do.  I'm glad you're not coaching this team, or every transgression would be cause for benching and disiplinary actions. 

Yeah, every transgression.  ?

I'm glad your not coaching this team, or every time a selfish a$$hole, that goes against everything you are trying to instill in this team, pulls a stunt like this you give him cookies and warm milk, a big hug, and tell him just say sorry and we will feed you the ball.  Even if you can't get open.

[derp]

48 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

It is silly for sure. I think Davis suddenly became affordable as a WR after this last offseason, but they need a better answer at the X spot.

I suppose it’s possible that Moore at the X is the best option, and he is probably the best X right now, but I also think he’d be so much more productive than Davis as a Z - and you could mix him and Wilson around and make it harder for defenses to match up - that whatever small downtick in X production happens with Davis there (since Moore isn’t that productive to match up) would be more than offset by better production from Moore. If I were to guess that’s part of the beef.

But again, this WR room just…it’s kind of like Douglas was just trying to assemble talent, which made sense as bad as the roster does, but now you see flaws in how the pieces fit.

I haven’t done a deep dive yet but there’s a dude from TCU, Quentin Johnston, who is big and twitchy. It’d probably be overkill but it’s easy to imagine how someone like that would change the offense. I suppose they could get a freak TE who’s good enough to split wide too but I don’t think those guys are actually easy to identify.

[slimjasi]

47 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

Davis has been one of our best players on offense this year and has made HUGE catches to help us win several games (browns, Steelers, packers)

[Spoot-Face]

20 hours ago, 56mehl56 said:

Blah blah blah  - Zach Wilson sucks - blah blah blah . Can we just make this a canned response for a handful of posters here , it can save them a bunch of time from saying the same things 10 thousand different ways . 

That's a great idea!

Gonna update my sig to save me more time to post poop and dick jokes! Thanks!!!

Credit goes to @Jetsfan80

[T0mShane]

24 minutes ago, derp said:

It is silly for sure. I think Davis suddenly became affordable as a WR after this last offseason, but they need a better answer at the X spot.

I suppose it’s possible that Moore at the X is the best option, and he is probably the best X right now, but I also think he’d be so much more productive than Davis as a Z - and you could mix him and Wilson around and make it harder for defenses to match up - that whatever small downtick in X production happens with Davis there (since Moore isn’t that productive to match up) would be more than offset by better production from Moore. If I were to guess that’s part of the beef.

But again, this WR room just…it’s kind of like Douglas was just trying to assemble talent, which made sense as bad as the roster does, but now you see flaws in how the pieces fit.

I haven’t done a deep dive yet but there’s a dude from TCU, Quentin Johnston, who is big and twitchy. It’d probably be overkill but it’s easy to imagine how someone like that would change the offense. I suppose they could get a freak TE who’s good enough to split wide too but I don’t think those guys are actually easy to identify.

Especially if it’s a situation where Zach Wilson (for one reason or another) simply has an aversion to throwing to his left, they should absolutely put their two most dynamic receivers out to the right and let them play off each other. In theory, Davis is big enough to fend for himself in single man as the X. Regardless, letting him chew up those opportunities is lame, especially in a rebuilding year. And I’m with you on adding bigger receivers into the mix to better mesh with the QB play we’re getting. I think Douglas intentionally drafted catch-and-run guys at all the skills positions, but both of our QBs are better off trying to run vertical offenses, at least from a skill set point of view. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that LaFleur’s offense looked its best with guys like White, Johnson, and even Streveler running it. Douglas (and LaFleur) has/have to decide what they want in an offense and get on the same page, or they’re just going to keep throwing picks into a well. As we’ve seen with the Niners, it’s not the easiest offense to staff up. It takes very specific skills and if you don’t have those skills, you fall out immediately. 

[Irish Jet]

1 hour ago, AlexVanDyke said:

Huh? This is an idiotic post

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Can you expand on this?

1 hour ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

?

Checkmate. 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Irish Jet said:

Checkmate. 

I’ve never seen a poster that has more “banned from Reddit” energy than that kid.

[derp]

38 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Especially if it’s a situation where Zach Wilson (for one reason or another) simply has an aversion to throwing to his left, they should absolutely put their two most dynamic receivers out to the right and let them play off each other. In theory, Davis is big enough to fend for himself in single man as the X. Regardless, letting him chew up those opportunities is lame, especially in a rebuilding year. And I’m with you on adding bigger receivers into the mix to better mesh with the QB play we’re getting. I think Douglas intentionally drafted catch-and-run guys at all the skills positions, but both of our QBs are better off trying to run vertical offenses, at least from a skill set point of view. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that LaFleur’s offense looked its best with guys like White, Johnson, and even Streveler running it. Douglas (and LaFleur) has/have to decide what they want in an offense and get on the same page, or they’re just going to keep throwing picks into a well. As we’ve seen with the Niners, it’s not the easiest offense to staff up. It takes very specific skills and if you don’t have those skills, you fall out immediately. 

Agree with all of that. Ultimately I think they saw a more accurate short to intermediate thrower than Wilson has been at the professional level to this point (I think if I say is someone will come yell at me about how he’s actually accurate or was in college, maybe they’ll still yell about how he’s accurate because drops). It was kind of my objection to taking him for this offense at #2 for this offense that emphasizes making things easy for QB’s and run after catch.

Honestly, the receivers too. Samuel and Aiyuk aren’t tall, but they’re both north of 205 and absolute tanks. Moore and Wilson are like 180. Hill and Waddle are too, and Moore and Wilson aren’t slow, but Hill and Waddle are a step faster. I do think they’d be more successful with a more timing and rhythm based passer, but I also just think the in between skills doesn’t work quite as well. 

Realistically I think the receivers would benefit from a different QB and the QB would benefit from different receivers. Zach Wilson’s ceiling/comp to me is probably somewhere around Russell Wilson. If he can figure out how to limit turnovers I think he’s best playing off a run game, buying time, and launching bombs. Garrett Wilson could maybe fit that but I really think it’s better to have more bug tanky dudes playing receiver in that offense. I also wouldn’t mind taking next year’s quick processing QB prospect without a huge arm in the 4th round to play as Wilson’s backup and when he inevitably misses time see how the offense looks with a guy who plays point guard effectively. Offense has looked…maybe better with those guys but definitely I think more how it’s supposed to look. Maybe Zach Wilson gets there, every once in awhile he looks confident and rips the ball and it looks great. I think the zone vs. man thing is almost that he trusts the scheme to get a guy open against zone and can anticipate whereas he doesn’t anticipate his receiver getting open against man so he waits to see it and by then it’s too late. But data seems to show Moore and Wilson do get open at an above average rate, he needs to be able to rip it and either that’s something where it clicks or it doesn’t. I’m sure it’s frustrating as a pass catcher though, especially post Flacco who will just rip it.

All that said it’s also just absolutely silly to have Elijah Moore running nine routes or as much straight line stuff as he’s running. He’s going to win with change of direction, not in a straight line and especially not when an outside corner has the sideline as a defender. If you get him matched up with a safety or a linebacker in slot, sure.

[bla bla bla]

14 hours ago, batman10023 said:

Number 5 is news to me

Yea, was not covered by the beat. I have the pictures to back it up though.

[Matt39]

The Jets are 4-2. Repeat, 4-2.

[Rangers9]

We don't know what is really going on behind the scenes and maybe more to it than has been in the press but on the surface it seems like it's something that could have been resolved without it going this far and this guy being benched for this game. An explanation of why so few targets and maybe a commitment to use him more often in the game plan. 

[Augustiniak]

2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Kind of yes and kind of no.  LaFleur’s version of this offense is a mix of Kyle’s and a mix of his brother’s, so trying to identify what they want the WRs to do is tough to completely pinpoint.

Sometimes you have a vision for how you want something to be but it becomes something else.  This offense functions best with the 2 rbs leading the way, which ultimately opens things up for the passing game.  In this offense, hall and carter make the offense go, but the issue i have is that lafleur can’t figure out how to get the passing game going until the 3rd quarter.  This offense can be dynamic if they can get the passing game functional in the first quarter.  

In terms of Elijah moore, his targets and touches will be minimal as long as hall and carter are healthy.  It’s not GW actually who is hurting moore, it’s hall.  Hall has transformed the offense, taking away so many opportunities for moore.  But hall and GW have helped davis, as he’s now the #2 wr he was on Tennessee and he’s really productive.  So it’s helped davis, hurt moore and helped the offense.  And the TEs are only going to get more involved too, and i think moore realizes that his role in this offense is destined to be minimized.

truth I’m hoping mims does well, I’d rather have his height out there than moore.  If mims can catch even a few passes, he can add a dimension to the offense, and maybe eve the red zone threat we hoped he’d be.

[SoFlaJets]

21 hours ago, Green DNA said:

Are you talking about the three straight games that the Jets won?  Last time I checked, winning was the only objective in any sport.  

Yes, and about which that I am very happy about, Craig. A few weeks ago I said "All I wish for is the Jets to win the next 3 games and come out at 4-2", they did it! So now the next thing I'll say that I want to see happen is for Zach Wilson to shut all of us so-called  Zach-Haters up for good,  once and for all.

I want him to see Wilson play lights out for  a whole a 60 minutes . I want to see him connecting for 66% of his passes throwing 2-3 TDs , for over 300 yards and no Ints and for the Jets to win the game, and then the next, and the next, and the next, until the Super Bowl win. That's how much of a "hater" and a "whiner" that I am.

And you know what I'm willing to bet that every other sensible football fan who posts here on JetNation, you know, those of (some of) us that can still look at things that we're seeing on the football field objectively, even when the criticisms are about our own beloved Jets players, can honestly say they feel the exact same way. We all WANT this kid to be a superstar, no matter who we think is better right now. Me? I have a pretty good idea of who that could be but that's for another day, so for starting tomorrow in Denver I say:

Come on Zach SHUT ME UP!

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, derp said:

Agree with all of that. Ultimately I think they saw a more accurate short to intermediate thrower than Wilson has been at the professional level to this point (I think if I say is someone will come yell at me about how he’s actually accurate or was in college, maybe they’ll still yell about how he’s accurate because drops). It was kind of my objection to taking him for this offense at #2 for this offense that emphasizes making things easy for QB’s and run after catch.

Honestly, the receivers too. Samuel and Aiyuk aren’t tall, but they’re both north of 205 and absolute tanks. Moore and Wilson are like 180. Hill and Waddle are too, and Moore and Wilson aren’t slow, but Hill and Waddle are a step faster. I do think they’d be more successful with a more timing and rhythm based passer, but I also just think the in between skills doesn’t work quite as well. 

Realistically I think the receivers would benefit from a different QB and the QB would benefit from different receivers. Zach Wilson’s ceiling/comp to me is probably somewhere around Russell Wilson. If he can figure out how to limit turnovers I think he’s best playing off a run game, buying time, and launching bombs. Garrett Wilson could maybe fit that but I really think it’s better to have more bug tanky dudes playing receiver in that offense. I also wouldn’t mind taking next year’s quick processing QB prospect without a huge arm in the 4th round to play as Wilson’s backup and when he inevitably misses time see how the offense looks with a guy who plays point guard effectively. Offense has looked…maybe better with those guys but definitely I think more how it’s supposed to look. Maybe Zach Wilson gets there, every once in awhile he looks confident and rips the ball and it looks great. I think the zone vs. man thing is almost that he trusts the scheme to get a guy open against zone and can anticipate whereas he doesn’t anticipate his receiver getting open against man so he waits to see it and by then it’s too late. But data seems to show Moore and Wilson do get open at an above average rate, he needs to be able to rip it and either that’s something where it clicks or it doesn’t. I’m sure it’s frustrating as a pass catcher though, especially post Flacco who will just rip it.

All that said it’s also just absolutely silly to have Elijah Moore running nine routes or as much straight line stuff as he’s running. He’s going to win with change of direction, not in a straight line and especially not when an outside corner has the sideline as a defender. If you get him matched up with a safety or a linebacker in slot, sure.

Agree with all of this, and the Russell Wilson comp, too. The problem with that, obviously, is that Russell has been the only guy in history to play that way and prosper. I keep coming back to the Time to Throw metric with Zach, and the disparity from where this offense wants you to be vs where Zach continually ranks, and who he ranks with. It’s gotta be tough to be in a timing-based offense where the QB is holding onto the ball and getting nothing out of it. The first chart is the highest times to throw (where Zach lives with a bunch of scrambling QBs) and the second list showing the lowest times to throw (where Garoppolo and other Shanahan-set QBs live). This is where the root of his problems exist, and by extension the receivers’ problems. Zach’s one shining moment this year—the 4th quarter against the Steelers—was his shortest time to throw in his career (2.49). 
 

[Green DNA]

51 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

Yes, and about which that I am very happy about, Craig. A few weeks ago I said "All I wish for is the Jets to win the next 3 games and come out at 4-2", they did it! So now the next thing I'll say that I want to see happen is for Zach Wilson to shut all of us so-called  Zach-Haters up for good,  once and for all.

I want him to see Wilson play lights out for  a whole a 60 minutes . I want to see him connecting for 66% of his passes throwing 2-3 TDs , for over 300 yards and no Ints and for the Jets to win the game, and then the next, and the next, and the next, until the Super Bowl win. That's how much of a "hater" and a "whiner" that I am.

And you know what I'm willing to bet that every other sensible football fan who posts here on JetNation, you know, those of (some of) us that can still look at things that we're seeing on the football field objectively, even when the criticisms are about our own beloved Jets players, can honestly say they feel the exact same way. We all WANT this kid to be a superstar, no matter who we think is better right now. Me? I have a pretty good idea of who that could be but that's for another day, so for starting tomorrow in Denver I say:

Come on Zach SHUT ME UP!

We've both been around long enough to see a lot of bad Jets football and we want the same thing with regard to Zach.   I view things in the Al Davis "Just Win Baby" light and am not overly concerned with style points.  There seems to be a lot of hand wringing here over how we have won games and OMG what happens if Zach needs to win a game with his arm.  This from a fanbase that has been given nothing but a $hit sandwich for the past 10 years and still can't be happy when we win.  We all want to see more from Zach but if the team plays well and wins in the meantime, I'm not complaining and I'm surely not throwing any wins back in the pond.  I do hope Zach shuts you up though LOL.  ?

[Jet Nut]

On 10/21/2022 at 10:42 AM, Irish Jet said:

It clearly is a punishment but Robert Saleh is quite literally incapable of saying anything negative about any player. 

As he shouldn’t in cases like this.  

[JTJet]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Agree with all of this, and the Russell Wilson comp, too. The problem with that, obviously, is that Russell has been the only guy in history to play that way and prosper. I keep coming back to the Time to Throw metric with Zach, and the disparity from where this offense wants you to be vs where Zach continually ranks, and who he ranks with. It’s gotta be tough to be in a timing-based offense where the QB is holding onto the ball and getting nothing out of it. The first chart is the highest times to throw (where Zach lives with a bunch of scrambling QBs) and the second list showing the lowest times to throw (where Garoppolo and other Shanahan-set QBs live). This is where the root of his problems exist, and by extension the receivers’ problems. Zach’s one shining moment this year—the 4th quarter against the Steelers—was his shortest time to throw in his career (2.49). 
 

Ive been on the fence (with hope) about Zach for some time, but honestly, this is the most damning evidence that the passing issue is squarely on him that I have seen. 

[NIGHT STALKER]

Look, the big mistake here are three words...back to that in a second.  There is nothing wrong in complaining you're not getting the ball because you want to contribute.  I like that fire in these young kids.  Now, the three words where Moore went wrong...TAKING IT PUBLIC

[Warfish]

I don't like LaFluer's handling of the WR position.

I don't like his requirement that "every WR play/know every position".

I thinks he's failed to develop Mims and make him productive (TBD tomorrow if that's changed).

I think he misuses Moore as an X when he should be in the Slot.

I think he tries to force-fit WR's into his system, rather than make his system work best with the talent we have, the opposite IMO of what a good coach does.

No, I'm not saying fire him (for the everything hyperbole crowd) or that he's a bad O-Co or anything more than what I just said, I don't agree with his handling of our WR group.  JMO.

[the Claw]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The one thing that surprised me in all this is seeing how much Moore is lined up at X, which is absurd. Just a further reminder of how much money Corey Davis has stolen from this franchise, because they have to sacrifice guys like Moore and Wilson to featured roles while letting Davis be, effectively, an afterthought Z and coast every game. 

I feel like it’s it’s more of an indictment of the GW selection. I like JD and I like GW but taking a similar player to Moore was a head scratcher for me.

[oatmeal]

most of jets reddit believe moore is goner,

people are saying Q's and Sauce tweets show the locker room is tired of Moore

i agree, question is what do we ge back for Moore?

 

[Biggs]

2 hours ago, the Claw said:

I feel like it’s it’s more of an indictment of the GW selection. I like JD and I like GW but taking a similar player to Moore was a head scratcher for me.

Since Moore’s outburst the pick looks even better.

[SuicidalSince98]