Jets acquire James Robinson [merged]

[Jetsfan80]

8 hours ago, sciond said:

pretty big leap there....

since when is damage not repairable

How is that a leap? 

 

Definition of damaged goods

: a person considered to be flawed or spoiled in character, efficiency, or worth

 

"Damaged goods" isn't a phrase to use for something that can be fixed.  I thought it was common knowledge that the phrase is used for a person/product that shouldn't be hired/bought.

[Jetsfan80]

6 hours ago, choon328 said:

Why do people want to remove their "longest runs"? That's like me saying, "if we remove all of his carries that were less than 3 yds his ypc is around 8". It makes no sense. 

"Remove Kate Upton's t*ts from the equation and she isn't all that hot."

[Cyberjet]

6 hours ago, choon328 said:

Why do people want to remove their "longest runs"? That's like me saying, "if we remove all of his carries that were less than 3 yds his ypc is around 8". It makes no sense. 

I get you, but the point they are trying to make is that he is basically a 2yard and a pile of dust back. But the problem with that is that there are RBs that are 2 yards and a pile of dust that don’t break long runs. 
 

This guy is going to help.

[Sperm Edwards]

28 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

I think this is too lost in any discussion comparing him carrying the ball vs Hall doing the same.

How many free rushers are coming through when there's a back left in to block? It's the downside with younger RBs, and a pretty low percentage of them take blocking as seriously as the team would like. Teams put up with it anyway, because they want dynamic ball carriers, but when 4/5 of the line does its job there's still one free guy making a beeline for the QB. Carter & Hall - excellent as both are as ballcarriers - have both had their blocking whiffs (3 sacks made by their assignments this year alone).

When people talk about someone being a complete back it's typically just looking at rushing & receiving alone. Pass blocking isn't the end-all of being a RB - if it was then just line up Uzomah back there - but Robinson is still a legit RB independent of that. Throw in that he's cheap (they have others to pay) and didn't cost much draft-wise (a mid-5th can be recouped pretty easily, like trading down 1 slot in round 1 or just a few slots in round 2).

The only way to be disappointed with this pickup is if the expectation was a full replacement for Breece Hall. Wasn't going to happen. Not when the team is still looking into trading for another upper-level tackle. 

[C Mart]

17 hours ago, Scoop24 said:

Cimini said on thursday he didnt expect it with fant being eligible to be activated  next week and Max in a few weeks.

not sure if that changes now tho

They are thin this week at LT. 

In a pinch I guess Ogbuehi could flip to LT and Remmers go in at RT.

 

[sciond]

53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

How is that a leap? 

 

Definition of damaged goods

: a person considered to be flawed or spoiled in character, efficiency, or worth

 

"Damaged goods" isn't a phrase to use for something that can be fixed.  I thought it was common knowledge that the phrase is used for a person/product that shouldn't be hired/bought.

You implied that damaged now, meant forever. Go back and look. No damaged goods in any world means exactly that versus the term FUBAR.

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, sciond said:

You implied that damaged now, meant forever. Go back and look. No damaged goods in any world means exactly that versus the term FUBAR.

I've never once heard the term used in the manner you intended it to mean but whatever.  

In any case he's looked fine this year, so even then it's not really even true.  Is he a bit banged up?  Lacking some of the explosiveness that he entered the league with?  Sure.  It's hard to name RBs in this league that aren't at this point.  But he isn't here to replace Breece's explosiveness, because no one acquired would be able to do that.  He's a reliable one-cut back and a good one.  His superior RB vision will do really good things in this system.  If he lacks the big plays, it's not a big deal.

[OCCH23]

9 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I think this is too lost in any discussion comparing him carrying the ball vs Hall doing the same.

How many free rushers are coming through when there's a back left in to block? It's the downside with younger RBs, and a pretty low percentage of them take blocking as seriously as the team would like. Teams put up with it anyway, because they want dynamic ball carriers, but when 4/5 of the line does its job there's still one free guy making a beeline for the QB. Carter & Hall - excellent as both are as ballcarriers - have both had their blocking whiffs (3 sacks made by their assignments this year alone).

When people talk about someone being a complete back it's typically just looking at rushing & receiving alone. Pass blocking isn't the end-all of being a RB - if it was then just line up Uzomah back there - but Robinson is still a legit RB independent of that. Throw in that he's cheap (they have others to pay) and didn't cost much draft-wise (a mid-5th can be recouped pretty easily, like trading down 1 slot in round 1 or just a few slots in round 2).

The only way to be disappointed with this pickup is if the expectation was a full replacement for Breece Hall. Wasn't going to happen. Not when the team is still looking into trading for another upper-level tackle. 

His blocking ability was the first thing that caught my eye.

No one is expecting JR to replace BH's production, but we've seen the stats of how much better ZW is with a clean pocket.  With any luck, this may be a net positive (no disrespect to BH AT ALL) . . .

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I've never once heard the term used in the manner you intended it to mean but whatever.  

In any case he's looked fine this year, so even then it's not really even true.  Is he a bit banged up?  Lacking some of the explosiveness that he entered the league with?  Sure.  It's hard to name RBs in this league that aren't at this point.  But he isn't here to replace Breece's explosiveness, because no one acquired would be able to do that.  He's a reliable one-cut back and a good one.  His superior RB vision will do really good things in this system.  If he lacks the big plays, it's not a big deal.

Yeah, it was a good pickup, or at least it seems so on paper where we sit today.

• Solidly built back to punch it in or use in short yardage, but a pretty small target (to tackle) for someone his weight (listed at 5'9"/219 lbs)
• good pass blocker (I tend to feel like good blocking RBs are good character/team-guys and not all me-me-me, but admit that's in my head)
• still has some burst & breakaway speed even if it's not what it once was
• dirt cheap in $
• very cheap in terms of draft pick(s) to acquire
• quick first cut is what Hall has/had; so is his vision/patience but I really don't know him as a player that well & will take your word for it
• lease with an option to buy: one year left on this contract; can be RFA-tagged or extended after the season. If someone matches the Jets' offer, the Jets get a draft pick. If they elect to just rent him for this year and let him go in the spring, someone will sign him for more than the league minimum & the Jets get a draft pick (or anyway, adds one more to the pile to offset any true UFAs the team signs in the spring)
• Jets really needed someone, like now
• He's not purely some warm body: this is a message from the GM to the team that he believes in them enough to invest more in this season.

Lots to like about it. Hopefully he doesn't suck despite all of the above lol.

[Jetsfan80]

49 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Lots to like about it. Hopefully he doesn't suck despite all of the above lol.

There's just no reason to think he will.  At bare minimum he takes what the OL gives him.  Essentially, Bilal Powell is about what his floor looks like.  He may not "wow" anyone, but he's simply not the kind of back that will disappoint, especially not in this system.

[slimjasi]

19 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Great for me on 2 fronts:  1) LOVE the player; 2) I have both Etienne and Robinson in fantasy (and Breece Hall ) and this helps the stock for both.  

You're still in good shape. 

He's going to get plenty of touches in this offense. 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

There's just no reason to think he will.  At bare minimum he takes what the OL gives him.  Essentially, Bilal Powell is about what his floor looks like.  He may not "wow" anyone, but he's simply not the kind of back that will disappoint, especially not in this system.

He's honestly a good player who has a chance to shine here . . . 

[jetsrule128]

 

[LSJF]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Yeah, it was a good pickup, or at least it seems so on paper where we sit today.

• Solidly built back to punch it in or use in short yardage, but a pretty small target (to tackle) for someone his weight (listed at 5'9"/219 lbs)
• good pass blocker (I tend to feel like good blocking RBs are good character/team-guys and not all me-me-me, but admit that's in my head)
• still has some burst & breakaway speed even if it's not what it once was
• dirt cheap in $
• very cheap in terms of draft pick(s) to acquire
• quick first cut is what Hall has/had; so is his vision/patience but I really don't know him as a player that well & will take your word for it
• lease with an option to buy: one year left on this contract; can be RFA-tagged or extended after the season. If someone matches the Jets' offer, the Jets get a draft pick. If they elect to just rent him for this year and let him go in the spring, someone will sign him for more than the league minimum & the Jets get a draft pick (or anyway, adds one more to the pile to offset any true UFAs the team signs in the spring)
• Jets really needed someone, like now
• He's not purely some warm body: this is a message from the GM to the team that he believes in them enough to invest more in this season.

Lots to like about it. Hopefully he doesn't suck despite all of the above lol.

Perfect, end thread...

[Long Island Leprechaun]

Apropos of nothing at all, I saw this pic today on ESPN and reminded me what greatness looked like:

[Dcronin]

Can't remember a replacement aquisition that better the fit the injured player being replaced in a while. Thumbs up, provided J-Rob isn't injured, damaged goods.

[Scoop24]

3 hours ago, C Mart said:

They are thin this week at LT. 

In a pinch I guess Ogbuehi could flip to LT and Remmers go in at RT.

 

Now he saying he sense’s Fants injury could linger longer. Expects jd to activate in trade market . 

[slimjasi]

Jags fans are MAD

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=37535&page=2

[Spoot-Face]

6 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Jags fans are MAD

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=37535&page=2

Boy, I'd sure hate to be one of them right now.

[Xtina]

22 hours ago, C Mart said:

 

Steal 

[ECURB]

14 hours ago, choon328 said:

Why do people want to remove their "longest runs"? That's like me saying, "if we remove all of his carries that were less than 3 yds his ypc is around 8". It makes no sense. 

That was my point… he is closer to Breece than people think

[tommyduhamelshouse]

so I've seen mixed reports: is this guy injured or no?

[Integrity28]

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

How is that a leap? 

 

Definition of damaged goods

: a person considered to be flawed or spoiled in character, efficiency, or worth

 

"Damaged goods" isn't a phrase to use for something that can be fixed.  I thought it was common knowledge that the phrase is used for a person/product that shouldn't be hired/bought.

It is. 

[jgb]

21 hours ago, choon328 said:

Why do people want to remove their "longest runs"? That's like me saying, "if we remove all of his carries that were less than 3 yds his ypc is around 8". It makes no sense. 

The reason the science of statistics was invented is because humans have cognitive biases that make us innately terrible at understanding probabilities and likelihoods. So what do we do when we don’t like what the numbers tell us? Change them lol.

[Rhg1084]

 

[Larz]

Passed his physical and is practicing today 

 

[Barry McCockinner]

 

[Jetsfan80]

Robinson passed his physical.  Let's gooooooo

[Rhg1084]

 

[johnnysd]

He's not going to be Breece but his skill set especially his pass blocking seems to be a really solid fit for the Jets team, especially since Zach will need to throw more.

[jackhuntr]

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, jackhuntr said:

 

 

Teams are getting quite lax in how they handle supposed injuries lately.  The Broncos did this with Russell Wilson, only revealing the labrum injury AFTER a loss and never listing him on the injury report leading up to the game.  The Jaguars didn't list Robinson either from what I can tell.  

I wonder if the league will look into this stuff a bit.

[Dcat]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I wonder if the league will look into this stuff a bit.

Well the place to start the investigation should be Foxboro, Massachusetts

[Dwight Englewood]

I wanted Jeff Wilson or Elijah Mitchell because they already know the offense but JRob is a good back

[extmenace]

On 10/24/2022 at 8:35 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

It's BECAUSE of the injury history that we got such a good RB for so cheap.  And meanwhile he's looked fine this year. 

This is such a weird take man.  This is an absolute net positive.

Still a weird take? net positive? I could have responded to about 20 of these similar comments telling me that he was good and that I was just being negative.  Got blasted for this one from just about everyone. Terrible trade for a damaged player that did absolutely nothing. JD completely blew it. He knew he needed to get a back here and chose this guy?