Chris Simms sounds off on Jets fans

[Warfish]

6 minutes ago, ZachWilsonRightArm said:

Breece Hall was stopped on the one yard line twice vs the Dolphins. Would having those two touchdowns vs a division rival change the narrative?

Folks still clinging to that eh, lol.

Breece Hall also took a 15 yard Zach pass 79 yards, the last 15 dragging defenders with him.

I think we can go ahead and not pretend Zach got ripped off for Hall not getting that last yard.

And if we're playing pretend, Zach has thrown several INT's dropped by DB's, and lost Sunday vs. Denver when the Refs got his obvious fumble call right instead of wrong, and Denver got their Fumble-6 on that play.

See, isn't pretend fun!

[Spoot-Face]

1 minute ago, HighPitch said:

Are you kidding me? I am in good standing with maxman so you must have me confused

Whoa, have you been holding back this whole time?

[jetspenguin]

2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Simms is totally wrong here.  If you watch Zach Wilson play these last 3 week and think there is 0 to be concerned about, then you have an agenda(which simms does) or you dont know much football.

and if the kid flops he will hold firm to his original assessment and claim the fans "ruined" him.

[JiF]

Just now, Warfish said:

Do they?

I just checked NFL.com, and they do not have Wins/Losses tracked as an "official stat" for QB's.

I'm curious, if a QB plays the first quarter, but gets hurt, who gets the "official win" or "official loss" in that game, the starter, or the guy who cam in in relief?  Do they track Saves in the NFL too?

You've been a Football fan for how long?  And you had to go to ESPN to see if there is an official stats for QB wins?  lmfao

Would be cool if not though, 1 less record Brady owns,.

 

[oatmeal]

Just now, jetspenguin said:

and if the kid flops he will hold firm to his original assessment and clain the fans "ruined" him.

[THE BARON]

4 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

. On sunday I am confident you will see a more well rounded zach. its simply bound to happen

vs, NE and BB ??? Ummm... Oh, dear.  

[Spoot-Face]

4 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

HA !  I think there should be a Spoot-Face theme song.  

They Call Him Spoot-Face, Spoot-Face, Spoot-Face, Faster Than Light-Ning. 

It just works.

There already is!

 

[Jet9]

1 hour ago, HighPitch said:

and didnt make mistakes and came away with the wins

This board has been repeating the 'wins' line for a few weeks now. With zero substitutions there are at least 25 different humans involved on the winning side. If and when he throws 1 TD and 3 INTs and yet we still win will we be giving him credit for wins there too? It's just so dishonest because this board has repeatedly over the years made the realistic observations on SB 'winning' QBs Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. If there's a weak link on this team it's Zach Wilson.

 

Also, the people eating up Simms' hyperbole of  'never seen anything like it' are being dishonest as well. sh*t happens with multiple fan bases every year. 

[oatmeal]

7 minutes ago, Ghost420 said:

Watching him do his little spin move 3 times in a row then almost fumble really got me thinking we have a franchise qb 

This 

it really looked like some Mickey Mouse production nonsense 

[Spoot-Face]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

And if we're playing pretend, Zach has thrown several INT's dropped by DB's, and lost Sunday vs. Denver when the Refs got his obvious fumble call right instead of wrong, and Denver got their Fumble-6 on that play.

See, isn't pretend fun!

[All Gas, No Gase]

25 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

quite frankly is managing the 4th quarter very well.

This is why I haven’t given up on Zach yet. If he played every quarter like he plays the 4th quarter we would be ecstatic. He has a completion percentage of 85.7% and a rating of 124.9 in the 4th quarter. Even in the Denver game he completed 5 passes in a row in the last quarter. 

If he ever figures out how to turn that mental switch on for the whole game then we will be a powerhouse. I hope he can. 
https://www.footballdb.com/players/zach-wilson-wilsoza02/splits/2022

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Or .. wait for it... The team played opposition with excellent defenses and Zach has struggled behind an extremely suspect OL as a young QB can be expected to.

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The extremely suspect offensive line?  It has only been suspect since AVT went down.  Before that it was a strength of the team.

[undertow]

I'm retiring from arguing about Zippy......he's either gonna get better or the same clowns defending him for his atrocious play will be complaining in a month because the current offensive game plan isn't sustainable without Hall and a banged up line or playing back up QBs every week. 

[Saul Goodman]

To this point, Zach doesn’t help the team. He doesn’t produce. He’s a net negative. “People see what they want to see” might to true to an extent on both sides but the statistics don’t lie - he is a very poor quarterback in every metric.

And if you’re going to use wins and losses, then he’s not better than someone like Mark Sanchez. 

[GangGreen Machine]

2 hours ago, RevisIsland610 said:

He's making excuses for ZW. He's thrown for 230 yards the last 2 games combined and he made some poor throws. 

Both those defenses average like 180 pass yards allowed per game. top 2 in the league last I checked.

Couple that with an offensive scheme that's riding the hot hand of a running back and has a young developing QB you get what we saw.   

[ZachWilsonRightArm]

9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Folks still clinging to that eh, lol.

Breece Hall also took a 15 yard Zach pass 79 yards, the last 15 dragging defenders with him.

I think we can go ahead and not pretend Zach got ripped off for Hall not getting that last yard.

And if we're playing pretend, Zach has thrown several INT's dropped by DB's, and lost Sunday vs. Denver when the Refs got his obvious fumble call right instead of wrong, and Denver got their Fumble-6 on that play.

See, isn't pretend fun!

So…. It wouldn’t change the narrative? 

[RevisIsland610]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Wilson is a project QB with some ability who is not lighting it up right now.  Also, unlike dozens and dozens of other QBs young and old he is not losing games for the team by turning it over a bunch.  Especially this year there have been a LOT of games where QBs have lost games due to ints and fumbles and put up nicey nice stats.

Now I have no issue with people not being a fan of Wilson or thinking he is not the long term answer but the lengths some people go on here just makes them look bad and stupid.  See Mac Jones, Bailey Zappe and the Pats last night.

This narrative that he isn't turning the ball over has to stop. He's not turning the ball over because he's not throwing the ball downfield. My grandmother wouldn't turn the ball over either handing off to Breece Hall and throwing 5 yard slants. He is once again near the bottom of the league in QB production. He stinks. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Ken Schroy said:

Well he does know just a little about playing QB in the NFL. So he's got that going for him, unlike the many QB whisperers on here.

Yet those analysts get this sh*t wrong just as often as the rest of us.  Even the former QBs.  Some of these same clowns told everyone to be patient with Sam Darnold for 4 years, including his first year in Carolina.  

F**k Chris Simms.  

[Warfish]

13 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

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I just checked NFL.com, and they do not have Wins/Losses tracked as an "official stat" for QB's.

And you had to go to ESPN to see if there is an official stats for QB wins?  lmfao

Wins/Losses isn't an official stat for QB's.

Wins/Losses are tracked and awarded, unofficially, by several stat tracking entities.

If Wins/Losses were an official stat, you would know the "official rules" of who gets the win when two different QB's play in a game.

You clearly don't.  

Because they don't exist.

Because wins/losses is not an official QB stat.

But you knew that JiF, I literally know you knew that.  Lol.

[Hal N of Provo]

1 hour ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Thanks. Was just gonna post this. He said a whole lot of nothing.

When the best play that you can reference is escaping a sack and throwing the ball away, you no your qb sucks. 

Hmmmmm.  Former NFL QB with the best track record I’ve seen picking QBs… or JN QB whisperers… 

 

Tough call.   I’ll just have to go with my own opinion in the end.  Zach future HoF QB.  

[Dunnie]

What a dipsh*t, just trying to double down on his asinine predraft takes after Fields just whipped the floor w/ BB and his D in Foxborough while Kellen Mond sits on a practice squad somewhere.
I'm stoked the Jets are 5-2 but Zach Wilson still needs to be play a sh*t ton better and stop doing pirouettes in the back field .

Only an asshat would say Justin Fields balled out last night ... And I don't think that's you ... did you even watch the game ???

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[JiF]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Wins/Losses isn't an official stat for QB's.

Wins/Losses are tracked and awarded, unofficially, by several stat tracking entities.

If Wins/Losses were an official stat, you would know the official rules" of who gets the win when two different QB's play.

You clearly don't.  

Because they don't exist.

Because wins/losses is not an official QB stat.

But you knew that JiF, I literally know you knew that.  Lol.

Wait, you're serious? 

 

[RevisIsland610]

3 minutes ago, GangGreen Machine said:

Both those defenses average like 180 pass yards allowed per game. top 2 in the league last I checked.

Couple that with an offensive scheme that's riding the hot hand of a running back and has a young developing QB you get what we saw.   

He still did nothing and missed some receivers with poor throws on short and intermediate routes which NFL QB's should make. We are not talking about the 85 Bears here either. Green Bay is ranked 10th in pass defense I believe. They definitely have the reigns on him because they don't trust him to make the plays and not turn the ball over. What does that say about him? 

[Dunnie]

The extremely suspect offensive line?  It has only been suspect since AVT went down.  Before that it was a strength of the team.

Last week it was ill give you that.

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[JiF]

3 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Only an asshat would say Justin Fields balled out last night ... And I don't think that's you ... did you even watch the game ???

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Call me an asshat then, amigo. Homeboy was awesome.

[Dunnie]

The extremely suspect offensive line?  It has only been suspect since AVT went down.  Before that it was a strength of the team.

Don't know when AVT got injured .. but I do know Zach was running for his life nearly all game long.

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[jgb]

23 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

youre making excuses. The bottom line is he didnt turn the ball over. period. Yes, he needs to improve his numbers. On sunday I am confident you will see a more well rounded zach. its simply bound to happen

“Bound to simply happen.” Lol. And I’ve been accused of “lazy analysis” for relying too much on data and statistics.

[Dunnie]

Call me an asshat then, amigo. Homeboy was awesome.

???? Ok Asshat I guess. Dude was unbelievably inaccurate.

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[Warfish]

3 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Wait, you're serious? 

I am. 

I admit, I could very easily be wrong.  Happens all the time.

Lets settle it then:  Please link me the Official NFL Rules on awarding wins to Quarterbacks, and what those rules and qualifications are for who they get awarded to and when.

Thanks.

 

[JiF]

2 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

???? Ok Asshat I guess. Dude was unbelievably inaccurate.

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62% is unbelievably inaccurate?  lol okay

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

I am. 

I admit, I could very easily be wrong.  Happens all the time.

Lets settle it then:  Please link me the Official NFL Rules on awarding wins to Quarterbacks, and what those rules and qualifications are for who they get awarded to and when.

Thanks.

 

Wins are a TEAM stat, not an individual stat, so I believe you are 100% correct. 

Having said that, I do think there is something to QBs who have 4th quarter magic and find a way to make their plays at critical times. Eli Manning had that gene. As bad as Wilson has been, I do suspect he has a little of that in him. 

[Dunnie]

62% is unbelievably inaccurate?  lol okay

Seriously .. did you watch the game ... Some of the throws were incredible .. like 20 yards off.

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[CanadienJetsFan]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Just curious, if the reverse also true?

If we lose the game, but Zach produced huge passing yards and many passing TD's, is that not good enough for you, because we lost, even if the loss is mostly due to the running game and defense?

Seems to me wins is a team stat, not a QB stat.

At almost all of the QB stats, Zach is amongst the lowest producing this year, same as last.

Let's take it to an extreme, if Zach goes 0 for 10, with 0 yards, 0 TD's, and 2 INT's, and is sacked 5 times, but the Jets win, is that still good enough and we shouldn't be critical of him?  We won, and no ones dog died, after all.

You guys are just taking it too far. I Don’t care if he runs the Statue of Liberty play all day long , what matters is we win.

Too many here want to declare the kid a bust…like you know…the truth is, does anyone know? No . I trust JD and if he decides that Zach’s not the answer, then so be it. He’s proven that he can pivot quickly.

Patience… the kid has played how many games?

so long as he protects the ball, all’s good. 

We’re 4-0 just enjoy it

curious, Mets fan?

[JiF]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I am. 

I admit, I could very easily be wrong.  Happens all the time.

Lets settle it then:  Please link me the Official NFL Rules on awarding wins to Quarterbacks, and what those rules and qualifications are for who they get awarded to and when.

Thanks.

 

I'm not trying to be a dick but you 100% track records w/ QB's, we say it all the time, Joe Flacco is 1-9 as Jets starter yadayada, this is like super duper common and like it was celebrated  when Brady broke Favre records for wins.  So it's a thing.  Wiki says this fwiw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders#:~:text=In the NFL%2C the starting,57–13–1).

The following is a list of the top National Football League (NFL) quarterbacks in regular season wins. In the NFL, the starting quarterback is the only position that is credited with records of wins and losses.

Tom Brady holds the record for the most regular season wins with 246. Otto Graham holds the record for the highest winning percentage with a minimum of 50 starts at .814 (57–13–1).

Brady also holds the record for the most postseason wins with 35, and the record for combined wins in the regular season and postseason, with 281.

[heymangold]

1 hour ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

Wilson has 2 picks over last 9 games and two career games with more than 1 turnover. One career lost fumble. He is absolutely not careless with the ball 

I could care less what you tell me about his “last 9 games” or whatever time you want to try and quantify him not turning the ball over.  He doesn’t pass the eye test.  He was the #2 overall pick, he needs to be better.  Fact is, since he’s come back, he’s thrown 2 INTs and should have about 3 to 4 more.  How many times have you seen him scramble and just toss the ball?  How many times has he scrambled and thrown across his body, luckily not getting intercepted?  He hasn’t shown any real improvement since he’s been on this team - and that’s what bothers me.