The Post Game Zach Sucks Thread (merged)

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

1 minute ago, JiFapono said:

I know this it's funny to be silly about this but I feel like this is significant, no?  

I wish

Probably not, unless Wilson gets carted off or gets mono

It’s clear Saleh doesn’t have the wherewithal to bench Wilson

[T0mShane]

Just now, HighPitch said:

No it’s the stupid iPhone that does that and I don’t know whyNo it’s the stupid iPhone that does that and I don’t know why

[HighPitch]

Just now, bitonti said:

Interceptions are a significant stat 

You are 100% right and up until today there were no interceptions so be fair honey bunsYou are 100% right and up until today there were no interceptions so be fair honey buns

[JTJet]

5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

2) The defense was a bigger problem than Zach today.    Sometimes I wonder if you guys watch the games or just read a stat line.

FG's or not - the Pats moved the ball every time they wanted to and were almost unstoppable on 3rd downs

Wtf

Were you trying to contradict yourself on purpose here? 

[Irish Jet]

10 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I’ve noticed it’s a flaw with you. The whole having to be flexible on things in spite of empirical evidence. 

 

3 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

It's an actual fact though and you're like in denial, so, idk, definitely still ❤️ yer guts out

 

1 minute ago, maury77 said:

Yeah, but in the land of the blind, the one eyed is king. 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2022

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

Last. Dead last. 

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

 

 

 

Also last. Dead last. Not bad but objectively terrible. 

Fair play to the Bears for figuring out his strengths running the ball but even in his so called great last two weeks he's passed for less yards than Zach Wilson today. 

He's atrocious at passing the ball. Not bad, not below average but genuinely terrible and is breaking scales for his incompetence. He can't play either and you're showing off as much delusion as the Zach Pack by pretending otherwise. "Empirical evidence" lmao. 

[HighPitch]

And let’s keep in mind the list of that quarterback class that seems to actually stink if you look deep into it everyone of them are still playing so who is the big dummy over here? Why should the Jets be beaten down for continuing their evaluation of Zac but all these other teams that are also evaluating their pics as they should be get a pass

[T0mShane]

Zach Wilson…your time grows nigh:

 

[RevisIsland610]

4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Eh...

I said Zach made three bad throws today - and that's a lot.  He needs to be better...

Just with two caveats to that:

1) I was told stats are the only thing that matters and Zach threw for 355 yards

2) The defense was a bigger problem than Zach today.    Sometimes I wonder if you guys watch the games or just read a stat line.

FG's or not - the Pats moved the ball every time they wanted to and were almost unstoppable on 3rd downs.  

Let's remember this was the worst QB in the NFL...Imagine what good QB's will do to this defense.

I am very concerned with the discipline of the defense and wonder if that whole back up QB thing is really why this D looked good.  

If you came away thinking the D is good after this performance I will have to disagree.

What? The defense played very well aside from the opening drive of the second half. They had 6 sacks, 1 int(should have been 2) and stopped NE numerous times after horrible Wilson INT's. They gave up 1 TD. The only thing I blame the defense for is the idiotic roughing the passer penalty by JFM. 

[Paradis]

2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

 

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2022

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

Last. Dead last. 

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

 

 

 

Also last. Dead last. Not bad but objectively terrible. 

Fair play to the Bears for figuring out his strengths running the ball but even in his so called great last two weeks he's passed for less yards than Zach Wilson today. 

He's atrocious at passing the ball. Not bad, not below average but genuinely terrible and is breaking scales for his incompetence. He can't play either and you're showing off as much delusion as the Zach Pack by pretending otherwise. "Empirical evidence" lmao. 

Was he dead last when he beat NE on his own with his surrounding cast from Weekend at Bernie’s?

[JiF]

1 minute ago, Irish Jet said:

 

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2022

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

Last. Dead last. 

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

 

 

 

Also last. Dead last. Not bad but objectively terrible. 

Fair play to the Bears for figuring out his strengths running the ball but even in his so called great last two weeks he's passed for less yards than Zach Wilson today. 

He's atrocious at passing the ball. Not bad, not below average but genuinely terrible and is breaking scales for his incompetence. He can't play either and you're showing off as much delusion as the Zach Pack by pretending otherwise. "Empirical evidence" lmao. 

ummmmm, none of that is current.  lmfao

I appreciate the effort though and feel your denial in my bones and somewhat respect it but also feel sorry for you.

[Jetsfan80]

24 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

How do you throttle a guy that threw for 355 yards?  You can say Zach made three bad throws.  I wouldn't argue....

I think the far bigger problem than Zach today was the defense.  It was horrendous.  They made Mac Jones (statistically the worst QB in the NFL coming into today) look like Tom Brady.  Classic Brady.

Waste the 1st two downs - kill the clock and defense energy, get to 3rd and 7 or 8 then get a first down - easily, with close to no resistance.  Rinse and repeat to drive down the field and exhaust the defense.

A completely undisciplined defense that is constantly over pursuing - all looking for selfish big plays...and has to be the most roughing the passer penalized team in the league. And a coach that has NOTHING to stop it.  

Can Zach be better absolutely...without question.  But you guys are pretending like this is some type of Super Bowl team with a good QB.  The defense was by far the biggest problem today.

 

lmfao

[HighPitch]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Zach Wilson…your time grows nigh:

 

This is a fair statement. I will still give Zac a few more games but my patience is definitely wearing thin and Mike White should 100% be ahead of Flaco no matter whatThis is a fair statement. I will still give Zac a few more games but my patience is definitely wearing thin and Mike White should 100% be ahead of Flaco no matter what

[Jetsfan80]

24 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

I can’t tell if this is serious!?

"Three bad throws."

Ha.  Haha.  Hahahahaha.  Hahahahahahahahahaha

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

You are 100% right and up until today there were no interceptions so be fair honey buns

Before today there were 2 interceptions to 1 td now he's 5 interceptions to 3 td that's called being upside down on the td / int ratio and it's death for any nfl qb 

[HighPitch]

Just now, bitonti said:

Before today there were 2 interceptions to 1 td now he's 5 interceptions to 3 td that's called being upside down on the td / int ratio and it's death for any nfl qb 

Your point is very fair again. But I’ll tell you what if he pulled out the win would still be on his side and there’s nothing wrong with thatYour point is very fair again. But I’ll tell you what if he pulled out the win would still be on his side and there’s nothing wrong with that

[Jetsfan80]

20 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Oh, wait...I was just told 355 yards wasn't a good stat game?  Isn't that good for a QB?

I don't understand now - or is it agenda driven.

Zach doesn't have good stats and wins - Zach sucks causwe he doesn't throw for a lot of yards

Zach throws for 355 yards - Zach sucks because he didn't win..

Defense is aweful, can't get off the field, not really giving their team a chance - Defense was great because they only gave up 22 points.

Can't have it both ways - it was clear the Might Mac Jones had his way with the Jets D today...

BB took Robert Saleh to school today...That's what really happened here.  

Anyone that didn't see that coming really wasn't paying attention.

 

Zach lost the game today.  He's supposed to help us win games.  

What is wrong with you?  Are you broken?  

[tfine]

He’s terrible. He has no awareness. This is just a schoolyard for him. He’s also a cancer in the locker room. Alienating his WRs like Elijah Moore. I’ve been a Zach supporter but what he did today was inexcusable. Just trade him for a pick….lose out and draft a QB next year that doesn’t have his head in his ass!!! He dropped the ball just when his team needed him the most.


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[Ron Rico]

Zach has all the intangibles like:

Taking a bad situation and making it worse.

[JiF]

4 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Was he dead last when he beat NE on his own with his surrounding cast from Weekend at Bernie’s?

He's been balling for 4 straight weeks, New England was the verification.  He was studly vs. Dallas today, first team to score more than 17 pts vs. that D, on the road and he put up 21 himself.  Fields is that entire offense, he's really good right now. 

[More Cowbell]

10 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Eh...

I said Zach made three bad throws today - and that's a lot.  He needs to be better...

Just with two caveats to that:

1) I was told stats are the only thing that matters and Zach threw for 355 yards

2) The defense was a bigger problem than Zach today.    Sometimes I wonder if you guys watch the games or just read a stat line.

FG's or not - the Pats moved the ball every time they wanted to and were almost unstoppable on 3rd downs.  

Let's remember this was the worst QB in the NFL...Imagine what good QB's will do to this defense.

I am very concerned with the discipline of the defense and wonder if that whole back up QB thing is really why this D looked good.  

If you came away thinking the D is good after this performance I will have to disagree.

If you think making an O kick FGs and long ones all game is a bad thing, then we will also disagree.  I saw the same game you did and this was a typical NE offensive performance. Run the ball and throw only when you have to. I think the Jets D played ok. The O was not ok. 

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, HighPitch said:

Your point is very fair again. But I’ll tell you what if he pulled out the win would still be on his side and there’s nothing wrong with that

This whole pulling out the win ugly thing only works when breece hall is hitting home runs like prime bo Jackson 

[Matt39]

5 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Was he dead last when he beat NE on his own with his surrounding cast from Weekend at Bernie’s?

i mean lol. Fields isnt good either. I'm not sure how were getting there now. 

[T0mShane]

12 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

I know this it's funny to be silly about this but I feel like this is significant, no?  

All you Mike White haters can eat sh*t. No room for you turds on the Mike White train. Me and @Smashmouth aren’t having it.

[HighPitch]

20 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

@TomShane @Creepy Lurker @TuscanyTile2 next step, QB1 🙏😀

 

Good for Sally. This is exactly what needs to happen right now and I’m glad that he has the balls to make that decisionGood for Sally. This is exactly what needs to happen right now and I’m glad that he has the balls to make that decision

[Paradis]

Just now, Matt39 said:

i mean lol. Fields isnt good either. I'm not sure how were getting there now. 

Smh. How is this at all relevant. 

[JiF]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

i mean lol. Fields isnt good either. I'm not sure how were getting there now. 

He's not a defender dude.  lmfao.

He balled out, been balling out.  Weird how people just want to out right deny this but whatevs.

[carlito1171]

Didn’t want to draft Wilson, some guy who had 1 good year at BYU, but after drafting him I wanted to give him a fair shot. 
 

Didnt like what I saw last year, but improved as the season went. 
 

Wanted to give a fair chance this year.....kept supporting when others wouldn’t. I’ve made up my mind. He aint it. 
 

I doubt all the hero ball he played in college can be coached out of him to pick his spots and protect the game. You can run around the sandlot playing the competition BYU plays, not in the NFL. When you need his arm to win it he gets too careless and starts making poor throws/ poor decisions. Can’t handle a pass rush. 
 

Jets are still gonna run him out there the rest of the year of course. But I’ve seen what I needed to see.....go get a vet in the off-season. 

[JiF]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

All you Mike White haters can eat sh*t. No room for you turds on the Mike White train. Me and @Smashmouth aren’t having it.

Penis face, the whole reason I wanted to burn this place to the ground was because they were playing Flacco over White. 

[Barton]

Zach blew this game. Completely blew it.

Throw him to the wolves vs the Bills and then after that start Mike White. 

[maury77]

5 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

He's been balling for 4 straight weeks, New England was the verification.  He was studly vs. Dallas today, first team to score more than 17 pts vs. that D, on the road and he put up 21 himself.  Fields is that entire offense, he's really good right now. 

C'mon, he wasn't balling out against Washington. 

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Smh. How is this at all relevant. 

Probably because he cost his team 7 points?

[HighPitch]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

All you Mike White haters can eat sh*t. No room for you turds on the Mike White train. Me and @Smashmouth aren’t having it.

 OMG Tom Shane what is up with you? It’s almost like you’re taking pleasure in this loss. There are a couple of guys are taking pleasures in this loss and we’re having a great day today thinking that they were right all along.

I have been critical of @warfish and his whining on this board but I will give the guy credit he’s not the type to gloat and take pleasure in loss some of you Zac detractors should take a lesson from him

[More Cowbell]

13 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

I don’t remember what jet nut said Or did but I do remember him saying like a lot of us that he was walking away with wins and not turning over the ball and to continue the course.

 

Anyone who says anything critical of Zach gets a down vote from him, even if he isn't  involved in the discussion.  He blindly defends Zach. Anyone being critical of Zach during the winning streak was doing so because they knew a game like this was coming. He gave me a barf in this one only because he didn't  want to down vote me know that would prove my point but by doing that, he did just that. 

[Paradis]

Just now, Matt39 said:

Probably because he cost his team 7 points?

How many did Zach cost us today? By my count, 40 thousand. 

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

He's not a defender dude.  lmfao.

He balled out, been balling out.  Weird how people just want to out right deny this but whatevs.

I have yet to see anything that indicates he's balling. The Bears got their asses kicked today too.