Zach Wilson is just fine, he's right where he should be, this fanbase has lost their minds!

[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I have no clue how someone can watch Zach Wilson play football and say he's just fine. Is there another Zach Wilson that plays baseball or something?

Maybe this one should try baseball. Cuz he sucks at football, hard.

[Stark]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

^ I'm on board with this.  give Zach every snap and then front office makes a decision.  I'll go nuts when Saleh puts Mike White or worse, Flacco in to save his own butt.  He and JD put their chips on Wilson.  No way should ownership allow anything but Zach Wilson until the end of the season.   I'm pretty confident that we will know by then whether there can be any hope for him.

I don't think Saleh has anything to worry about... especially not saving his own hide. 

GM appears to be good

Coach, slow start but seems to be good

QB, well that is the issue right now and don't see that as a indictment on Saleh. 

 

There isn't really another option, we're stuck with Zach this year, so yes let him play. take all the lumps and if he can't show he's the guy then move on. 

[BigRy56]

It is what it is at this point. It is on the coaching staff to continue to put the team in the best position to win and either coach Zach up / protect him from himself as the team drives for a wildcard birth

[kevinc855]

[56mehl56]

40 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Why would you ask me something that has nothing to do with what I said?

Misread what you wrote as - Why are fans more loyal to Wilson than the team is , not Why are fans more loyal to Wilson than they are to the team . 

[TBJ]

6 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Trust the process ape!

[Grandy]

Nothing is fine with him. I would be surprised if anyone in the building is happy with where he is at compared to expectations pre-draft. 

He might have a ton of arm talent, but he just can't execute the position at even an adequate level. Even the baseline stuff looks hard, and nothing is ever consistent. The guy has never put up a consistently good game, and trades 1 good throw with three terrible ones. It's actually shocking how overmatched he looks at every turn.

The best case scenario is that he's just much more raw than we thought, and he's been struggling against tough pass defenses but will put it together by the end of the year. Though the reality looks like he's a really talented guy that's completely overwhelmed, and is miles away from being even average. And with every game his already slim chances of success keep slipping. They're not 0, but they're also far closer to 0 than 100.

[Green Ghost]

33 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

From the post below, it says Josh Allen in year 2 had 3089 Yards, 20 TD’s, 9 Int’s and 58.8% completion%.  

If we multiple Zach's 2022 numbers by 3, it would look about the same in yardage but 9 TDs and 15 INTs is pretty crappy.  

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsZa00.htm

 

 

Rushing yards? Allen was over 500, with 9 TDs.

[nyjet4life]

2 hours ago, JetsRay said:

Pretty much this, even better said.
I chuckle at the clowns labeling anybody that doesn't jump on the "Zach is the worst QB ever" bandwagon are fanboys.

No, maybe we are more realistic.

Giving up after one year and 5 game is stupid on every level, and Zach has really only played a single full season of NFL games due to injury.

It is far too early to give up and write him off.

The Jets hitching their wagon to ZJ are nuts. He cannot stay in the pocket to throw passes and very lackadaisical with the ball. You cannot roll outside the pocket left and right and expect to make accurate passes.

[Xtina]

5 hours ago, oatmeal said:

What was the Connor preseason quote about mims? Something about “He rubbed coaches the wrong way with his cavalier attitude”

Oh like this dude :

 

 

That is not cavalier. 

[JetsRay]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

This post just reinforces this thread. Beyond ignorance.

We are 5-3 and in the playoff race as of right now, Zach is a big part of the reason we are.

1 game and you guys want to jump off a cliff, go ahead, spare us your "sky is falling" everything sucks mantra!

[greenwichjetfan]

5 minutes ago, JetsRay said:

This post just reinforces this thread. Beyond ignorance.

We are 5-3 and in the playoff race as of right now, Zach is a big part of the reason we are.

1 game and you guys want to jump off a cliff, go ahead, spare us your "sky is falling" everything sucks mantra!

Yikes.

[JetsRay]

3 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

Actually Darnold threw for 341 yards his second NFL game. A loss to Miami. Is it better that Zach threw for 350 in his loss yesterday? 

Nice pivot and spin

We aren't talking about the Dolphins, we are talking about the Pats.

If you know anything about football, you would know that Belichick and his defenses do a great job attacking the strengths of the other team and making QB's look incompetent, this isn't news

Darnold's second game against the Pats in his second year was the "ghost" game, he had 4 INT's and passed for 86 yds

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/darnold-stats-vs-patriots

[bostonmajet]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Are you willing to wait 8-10 years for Zach Wilson to possibly be as good as Geno is now? Lol. Kudos to Geno, but it took him 8-10 years to finally show this and it usually doesn't happen. 

Not at all, I was just saying that I am waiting to wait a bit more. But that hardly matters as JD and Saleh are likely to give him this year and next. He will NOT get a fourth year without significant improvement. Geno comments are only to show that judging a QB after 3 years isn't foolproof, let alone 1 1/2 seasons.

[JetsRay]

1 hour ago, nyjet4life said:

The Jets hitching their wagon to ZJ are nuts. He cannot stay in the pocket to throw passes and very lackadaisical with the ball. You cannot roll outside the pocket left and right and expect to make accurate passes.

If he were to stay in the pocket, he would be sacked, drive over. This would have happened multiple times and if he didn't escape the pocket, we probably don't win 2 of the 4 games he has one since coming back.

Nevermind that, our OL has been a carousel of players due to injuries. Yesterday was the 4th starter at RT in 8 games. 

Do the analysis, we have not had an OL that has been able to get settled in it's amazing given that they have actually been coached up pretty well and the players Douglas has brought in to replace players has been pretty damn good. Still, it takes weeks for an OL to gain chemistry and perform at a high level.

Add the fact we lost Hall, a stud RB who was performing as a top 5 RB, that gave less for the Patriot defense to think about.

I mean do you guys even put a little thought and analysis into what you write and respond with?

[carlito1171]

Gaslighting at its finest....

The season isn't lost, but to pretend like there isn't any reason to be concerned with Zach is willful ignorance. I was someone who wanted to be patient, but I know what my eyes tell me. 

The funny part is you had similar posts for Darnold, and Geno and Sanchez......rinse and repeat with you I guess....

[munchmemory]

1 minute ago, carlito1171 said:

Gaslighting at its finest....

The season isn't lost, but to pretend like there isn't any reason to be concerned with Zach is willful ignorance. I was someone who wanted to be patient, but I know what my eyes tell me. 

The funny part is you had similar posts for Darnold, and Geno and Sanchez......rinse and repeat with you I guess....

We just draft bad QBs.   I have no idea why.  But our historical track record is not good.

[Lith]

3 hours ago, jgb said:

Gardner Minshew. 3rd round pick, if necessary.

Garnder Minshew is a pipe dream at this point.  Eagles are thinking Super Bowl this season.  If anything happens to Hurts, they are not turning the team over to Ian Book.  Can't see the Eagles parting with MInshew in season.

[munchmemory]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

Garnder Minshew is a pipe dream at this point.  Eagles are thinking Super Bowl this season.  If anything happens to Hurts, they are not turning the team over to Ian Book.  Can't see the Eagles parting with MInshew in season.

I wanted Minshew two years ago when we could have acquired him for next to nothing.   Kudos to the Eagles who saw his value.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

8 hours ago, JetsRay said:

Zach Wilson is a 2nd year QB, still developing, still learning, and is right where he needs to be.

The knee jerk reactions are so over the top ridiculous I feel like this place is being infiltrated with 3rd graders. This fan base is an embarrassment, and many of you should be ashamed.

While the INT's sucked, there was a ton of good that we can take from this game and Zach's performance.

Last week it was "OMG he only threw for 120 yds," this week he throws for 350, exactly as anybody with any logic or reason would suspect with Breece Hall gone and the team having to rely on the pass, and he did a lot of good things, but that isn' enough for our arm chair scouts.

Two of the INT's were Zach trying to do too much, trying to salvage the drive, they were 3rd and long throws, and they sailed on him, both of those plays are plays he's both going to make someday, and learn to not throw them. He'll work on mechanics, it is fixable. The 3rd INT when he was trying to get rid of the ball, he didn't get it far enough out of bounds, also fixable, he knew it right away and the rest of the game you saw him correct that.

He moved the ball, made great throws, the first TD to Conklin was an amazing throw. Our running game was not running on all cylinders just yet with JRob playing in his first game on a limited pitch count because he's had 3 days of practice in our system.

STOP THE BS Jets fans, this is a 2nd year QB, he's played 18 total games.

We are still 5-3, we still have a season, the Pats and Belichick have always been a team that knows how to attack a defense and make QB's look bad. Have some ******* patience.

[maury77]

The other issue with Wilson this year is that he appears to be getting worse from game to game. His high point was the Steelers 4th quarter and that was his first game back. Then he was pretty good against Miami. Since then, its getting progressively worse. 

[92ShaunEllis92]

Ira is gravely concerned about Zach Wilson lol

[Jimmy 2 Times]

Rememberer when Vinny came here and Tuna told him one thing:  When you scramble, RUN.  Don't look to throw it.

That was Vinny's biggest flaw early in his career.  Zach has good speed and could probably gain 3-4 first downs if he just ran forward when he feels it's time to bail.

The whole running backwards spinning sh*t is cringe worthy to say the least.  

[Jimmy 2 Times]

9 minutes ago, maury77 said:

The other issue with Wilson this year is that he appears to be getting worse from game to game. His high point was the Steelers 4th quarter and that was his first game back. Then he was pretty good against Miami. Since then, its getting progressively worse. 

Do you really think he had a bad game yesterday or just a few bad plays?  I was freaking pumped the way he was playing until the first pick.  

I know the refs are the refs especially in a Patriot game, but Barrios and Wilson were mugged on third down plays where it looked like bad passes, but the were on the money fi the guys didn't et held.    

Call me crazy, but that was his best game (second best performance after the 4th quarter in Pittsburgh). 

[roscoeword]

I never saw anyone run backwards so swiftly. 

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

7 hours ago, Saul Goodman said:

He’s the worst starting quarterback in the NFL. No quarterback in NFL history has become successful after a rookie and second season like Zach has had. He’s done man. 

True.  What’s wild is, now think about this, the LAST 3 QBs the Jets drafted, Sanchez, Darnold and now Wilson, and these are High 1st Rders.  ALL ranked 

1. Worse than Last

2. Last

3. Close to Last, in that league…for virtually their entire careers…. Wtf are the Odds on that?  Astronomical.

[Jetsfan4life90]

1 minute ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

True.  What’s wild is, now think about this, the LAST 3 QBs the Jets drafted, Sanchez, Darnold and now Wilson, and these are High 1st Rders.  ALL ranked 

1. Worse than Last

2. Last

3. Close to Last, in that league…for virtually their entire careers…. Wtf are the Odds on that?  Astronomical.

Don't forget Geno Smith after Sanchez and before Darnold. 

[Dcat]

2 hours ago, Stark said:

I don't think Saleh has anything to worry about... especially not saving his own hide. 

GM appears to be good

Coach, slow start but seems to be good

QB, well that is the issue right now and don't see that as a indictment on Saleh. 

 

There isn't really another option, we're stuck with Zach this year, so yes let him play. take all the lumps and if he can't show he's the guy then move on. 

Saleh will bench him if he piles up losses. Maybe youre right in that he is secure in his job, but there is no way he is going to let Zach go out there and pile up losses after starting out so well.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

Do you really think he had a bad game yesterday or just a few bad plays?  I was freaking pumped the way he was playing until the first pick.  

I know the refs are the refs especially in a Patriot game, but Barrios and Wilson were mugged on third down plays where it looked like bad passes, but the were on the money fi the guys didn't et held.    

Call me crazy, but that was his best game (second best performance after the 4th quarter in Pittsburgh). 

Yeah just brutal.  I posted a side by side footage that someone picked up on Twitter, with the JFM late hit and an IDENTICAL late hit on Wilson (head/neck)….with the Ref right in the area.  Only 1 play was the Flag thrown.

[Ron Rico]

You know, I've thought about it, and quite frankly, that was the worst I've seen a QB play and not get benched and replaced. I've seen them all-- Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, Akili Smith, Leinfart, Bubby Brister--- that was astounding. The very idea he is starting next week against the Bills is horrifying. 

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Don't forget Geno Smith after Sanchez and before Darnold. 

Good point.

Going forward, and I know these 1st Rd QBs bust at a very high rate, that’s for every team, but to have them ALL ranked LAST is just phenomenal, they should just close their eyes and say “Eeeny Meeny Minnie Moe” before picking the next QB.

[Lith]

11 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

Zach has good speed and could probably gain 3-4 first downs if he just ran forward when he feels it's time to bail.

The whole running backwards spinning sh*t is cringe worthy to say the least.  

This is the 4th and 5 play at the NE 30 with about 9 minutes to go in the 4th.  If he takes off a little bit to his right, its an easy first down.  8+ minutes to go and we still have a chance.

 

 

[More Cowbell]

47 minutes ago, JetsRay said:

Nice pivot and spin

We aren't talking about the Dolphins, we are talking about the Pats.

If you know anything about football, you would know that Belichick and his defenses do a great job attacking the strengths of the other team and making QB's look incompetent, this isn't news

Darnold's second game against the Pats in his second year was the "ghost" game, he had 4 INT's and passed for 86 yds

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/darnold-stats-vs-patriots

Actually we are talking about Zach and you brought up Darnold

 Try to keep up

[Dcat]

7 hours ago, elvispookie said:

I cant state this enough.. he is terrified out there.  Zach plays like you and I would if the Jets called us to Florham Park today.  Sure, it would be cool, but by Sunday we would sh*t our pants.  He knows he is allusive, he can get away, so for fear of actually dying, thats what he does.  He almost NEVER steps up in the pocket.  He does one read and is gone - even in clean pockets!  But it doesnt stop there - oh no - when he is gone, he runs backwards (away from everyone).  Guess what happens when you run the other way? You turn your head and can't see where everyone is!  Pure logic.  By the time you turn around, all your reads are gone.. people are nowhere where they need to be and they are running around, unscripted, trying to get open. 

This is what Bart Scott was trying to tell you guys last year after the Titans game.  Everyone got on him back then for being sour after a great Jet win, but guess what? He was right.  And Zach is STILL doing the exact same thing.   

So please, watch the game like I do, realize Zach is terrified out there and ALL your questions of why he does what he does will be answered.

WHether or not it is instigated by fear or it's just the only thing Zach knows how to do... either way, Zach is awful and the rest of 2022 really is to determine whether or not its time to move on.

[faba]

No he is not fine still shows bad mechanics and poor judgement. The excuses are getting weary