SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Just now, More Cowbell said: Oh please. I stated a consistent problem Zach has, bailing when pressure is not there. Nobody can honestly say they have never seen this. The picture he presented actually shows a clean pocket that he didn't step up into. If you agree with him, you must be his mother. The picture he showed is exactly what Zach needs to consistently do. Stand tall in the pocket and deliver a strike. Not bail when he feels pressure. That instance, he made a perfect throw with pressure on top of him. The photo you posted, he did not do that. He should have been better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 If we beat Buffalo I’m having a party in the parking lot that will not be matched 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted November 4, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 Picture..... Zach Wilson, trotting off the field after a triumphant breakout performance, 330 passing yards, 3 TD's and another rushing, no INT's, along with a dominant Jets Defensive performance that beguiles Josh Allen all day long, a Jets victory! The field reporter gets the mike in front of Zach, and he says..... "Don't doubt me again, Warfish" and then: ...as he then trots off the field into his cheering teammates. And with that, Zach would live forever in JN Forum immortality. LOL, good times..... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Can you show me where Conklin is in this picture? Can you show me it is even a completed pass from this picture? Here is a better picture Zach standing much further back than he needs to with open receivers, one waving his arms, and Zach holding the ball Why shouldn’t Zach be that far back? You see what’s happening across the line, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warfish said: Picture..... Zach Wilson, trotting off the field after a triumphant breakout performance, 330 passing yards, 3 TD's and another rushing, no INT's, along with a dominant Jets Defensive performance that beguiles Josh Allen all day long, a Jets victory! The field reporter gets the mike in front of Zach, and he says..... "Don't doubt me again, Warfish" and then: ...as he then trots off the field into his cheering teammates. And with that, Zach would live forever in JN Forum immortality. LOL, good times..... Still sleeping? Time to wake up bud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 Just now, Zachtomims47 said: Still sleeping? Time to wake up bud Wait, you mean I DIDN'T win Powerball? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: The picture he showed is exactly what Zach needs to consistently do. Stand tall in the pocket and deliver a strike. Not bail when he feels pressure. That instance, he made a perfect throw with pressure on top of him. The photo you posted, he did not do that. He should have been better. Ok, let's talk a little more about the picture where you say Zach is standing tall. First of when Zach made the decision to throw, there was no pressure. The pressure came after the pass. So what is the point. He has a clean pocket in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 7, the OL has given him time. The issue here is Zach bails on the pocket as soon as the ball is snapped. Last week the OL got beat like a drum damn near every play.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuicidalSince98 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Ok, let's talk a little more about the picture where you say Zach is standing tall. First of when Zach made the decision to throw, there was no pressure. The pressure came after the pass. So what is the point. He has a clean pocket in front of him. I thought you said he leaves the pocket before pressure? You can’t have a valid opinion on a player if you can’t objectively evaluate plays positive and negative. Take the L here (you’re embarrassing yourself) and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Now let’s imagine Zach was further up in the pocket: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Enjoy the game, @Warfish. As long as you have been a fan, its hard to believe you have never been to Jersey for a game. And you never know, maybe they will surprise. I flew in for the Tennessee game last year expecting very little, we were 0-3, coming off two straight blowouts, and i got to see one of the Jets best games of the year, and possibly Zach's best to date. Enjoy!!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 36 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Can you show me where Conklin is in this picture? Can you show me it is even a completed pass from this picture? Here is a better picture Zach standing much further back than he needs to with open receivers, one waving his arms, and Zach holding the ball It is literally a screenshot from the Conklin TD play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Last week the OL got beat like a drum damn near every play. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Logical fallacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’m torn/conflicted and cannot figure out the answer to this EXTREMELY important and relevant question. This question is for you @Warfish. Why did you choose that name and not “PeaceOctopus”? Are anti Octopus or just pro war? This is more important than the Zach Wilson discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Now imagine @Creepy Lurker writing @Warfish this post with the comfort of Zach’s moms best friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I’m not reading all of that.I’ll say I’m happy for you or I’m sorry that happened 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Special Teams is the key. No shank punts, no missed PAT's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: I thought you said he leaves the pocket before pressure? You can’t have a valid opinion on a player if you can’t objectively evaluate plays positive and negative. Take the L here (you’re embarrassing yourself) and move on. That is one play in a game. Are you really saying Zach never leaves the pocket before the pressure. There was a video posted of Zach taking a 5 step drop after he took a snap in shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: It is literally a screenshot from the Conklin TD play We actually don't know this but if it was, Zach threw to the only receiver who was covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Just now, More Cowbell said: That is one play in a game. Are you really saying Zach never leaves the pocket before the pressure. There was a video posted of Zach taking a 5 step drop after he took a snap in shotgun. I am not saying that. I am saying he does the right thing quite often. He needs to be better in the pocket, but you are describing the situation as something that he is incapable of dong and will never learn how to do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said: I get that but if we can make them work for points, not give them a short field, I give us a chance. I don't think our DBs will be over matched. I agree this will be a challenge but I don't see a blowout unless we turn the ball over in our own end or are punting from our EZ. Oh, we for sure have a chance. And I agree the DBs won't be overmatched. But the offense isn't exactly going to be on fire to begin with. Zach playing well would help that but I don't expect them to score points on every drive even if he played well. He has to avoid causing the failure of the drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: I am not saying that. I am saying he does the right thing quite often. He needs to be better in the pocket, but you are describing the situation as something that he is incapable of dong and will never learn how to do. It because he does that with high frequency. I mean what os your point? Look at the picture I posted that you claimed is the same play. Look how far away from the LOS he is and there is nobody close to him. You said he made that pass under pressure. There was no pressure and 2 wide open receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: It because he does that with high frequency. I mean what os your point? Look at the picture I posted that you claimed is the same play. Look how far away from the LOS he is and there is nobody close to him. You said he made that pass under pressure. There was no pressure and 2 wide open receivers. I think the picture you posted is from the incomplete pass to Carter 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 If the Jets beat Buffalo but Zach has a pedestrian game @Warfish will be the first to s**t all over him. Or ass he calls it- 'judge the QB based on his play' not based on whether the team wins the game or not. Why should we think any differently now that he's going to the game. Vom on this thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: False This is a good enough pocket to throw from in the NFL. Good QBs have the presence of mind to step up and allow 70 to push the defender past him, and either throw or move to the left and take positive yards. If you can’t do that you’re not a starter in this league..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, carlito1171 said: This is a good enough pocket to throw from in the NFL. Good QBs have the presence of mind to step up and allow 70 to push the defender past him, and either throw or move to the left and take positive yards. If you can’t do that you’re not a starter in this league..... He threw it and completed the pass for a TD, from the pocket. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, PepPep said: If the Jets beat Buffalo but Zach has a pedestrian game If the Jets beat Buffalo, Number 2 is going to have to have a great game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 4 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: Now imagine @Creepy Lurker writing @Warfish this post with the comfort of Zach’s moms best friend. Haha!! That’s so amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said: I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’m torn/conflicted and cannot figure out the answer to this EXTREMELY important and relevant question. This question is for you @Warfish. Why did you choose that name and not “PeaceOctopus”? Are anti Octopus or just pro war? This is more important than the Zach Wilson discussion. I am very much Pro-Octopus (they're very smart), and Pro-Peace. Hippy-like, in many ways. I picked the name when I was quite young, and the internets was new. I had a name I used for a while before it, Blitzkrieg, taken both from from the Metallica cover on Kill Em' All, and of course a reference to WWII in which I was always interested. This was back in the old IRC Chat days and the earliest forum days (pre my joining JI) in the early 90's, but I dropped it as it wasn't very cool knowing the internet was in some spots a haven for folks who took names like that for more evil reasons. I was, in my youth, a dedicated fisherman. And one of the Fish I went after was called the "Warmouth", a picture of which resides below in my signature. A sunfish that acts like a big ol' bass. As I was pondering what to call myself online, the name Warfish came to mind, since I was always debating folks, and I liked to Fish, and honestly, it sounded cool to my, what, pre-20 year old brain. Short, to the point, seemed like the right choice and I've gone by that for what, 20 years or so now. And now you know just a little more about me than you did before. Hope that answers your question Creepy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Coquito said: If the Jets beat Buffalo, Number 2 is going to have to have a great game. 1 pass TD, 200+ pass yds, some clutch 3rd down conversions and ZERO turnovers from Zach...some great special teams play...a solid rushing effort with 2 or more TDs for the offense and a spectacular defensive effort could do it. So yeah, we could end up winning the game with a pedestrian performance from Zach. I don't think we will. This Bills team is just too good. But if we DO win, it will be on the strength of a superb defensive performance with Zach NOT turning the ball over and our special teams making some plays. JMHO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Warfish said: I am very much Pro-Octopus (they're very smart), and Pro-Peace. Hippy-like, in many ways. I picked the name when I was quite young, and the internets was new. I had a name I used for a while before it, Blitzkrieg, taken both from from the Metallica cover on Kill Em' All, and of course a reference to WWII in which I was always interested. This was back in the old IRC Chat days and the earliest forum days (pre my joining JI) in the early 90's, but I dropped it as it wasn't very cool knowing the internet was in some spots a haven for folks who took names like that for more evil reasons. I was, in my youth, a dedicated fisherman. And one of the Fish I went after was called the "Warmouth", a picture of which resides below in my signature. A sunfish that acts like a big ol' bass. As I was pondering what to call myself online, the name Warfish came to mind, since I was always debating folks, and I liked to Fish, and honestly, it sounded cool to my, what, pre-20 year old brain. Short, to the point, seemed like the right choice and I've gone by that for what, 20 years or so now. And now you know just a little more about me than you did before. Hope that answers your question Creepy. Most excellent. I too like old Metallica and fishing. I caught a nice striped bass 2 nights ago on Lake Wallenpaupack. Thank you for entertaining my idiotic question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 7 hours ago, Warfish said: Picture..... Zach Wilson, trotting off the field after a triumphant breakout performance, 330 passing yards, 3 TD's and another rushing, no INT's, along with a dominant Jets Defensive performance that beguiles Josh Allen all day long, a Jets victory! The field reporter gets the mike in front of Zach, and he says..... "Don't doubt me again, Warfish" and then: ...as he then trots off the field into his cheering teammates. And with that, Zach would live forever in JN Forum immortality. LOL, good times..... I think there’s a chance Zach Wilson steps up this Sunday. The Bills get tons of pressure, but they also play a lot of Cover Two behind it, and Zach has made some of his best throws against Cover Two because of his arm strength. Kenny Pickett—the one starting QB who has been statistically worse than Zach this year, went 34 of 52 for 325 yards against the Bills (granted, in a massive blowout). Zach will have opportunities. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 14 hours ago, Warfish said: Picture..... Zach Wilson, trotting off the field after a triumphant breakout performance, 330 passing yards, 3 TD's and another rushing, no INT's, along with a dominant Jets Defensive performance that beguiles Josh Allen all day long, a Jets victory! The field reporter gets the mike in front of Zach, and he says..... "Don't doubt me again, Warfish" and then: ...as he then trots off the field into his cheering teammates. And with that, Zach would live forever in JN Forum immortality. LOL, good times..... She has more balls than Zach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 She has more balls than Zach.. and half the posters here.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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