So, does Jermaine Johnson suck?

[Facts]

4 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

He is literally the best pass rusher we have drafted in about forever

By what freaking metric? Just cause the other pass rushers we have drafted suck worse?

Even when healthy he was only on the field for 25% to 30% of the snaps, and he only has 1 sack, and not many pressures.

 

[FidelioJet]

Of course he does.

If draft picks don't produce at a high level within the first 10 games of their career, they clearly suck.

[Facts]

9 hours ago, jetspenguin said:

It's remarkable that you have been able to do something that I have never seen. .

You got everyone to agree on one thing.

You suck

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

Know what usually happens when everyone agrees?

it usually means they’re wrong.

[Dunnie]

I wasnt too high on this draft choice either. I think some fans here saying he's played "great" are reaching.
He played fairy well, I will say. He's definitely shown he's not a Vernon Gholston with zero pass rush moves.
That being said, Huff seems to get more consistent pressures on the QB. 

JJ has shown he will be at bare minimum... a solid pro... ala Pace. Give him a solid off season of strength training and you never know ... Could get better. He was never going to be Lawrence Taylor.

Kid has not been a disappointment.


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[Dunnie]

Yeah i’ve rolled my eyes quite a few times while reading the posts about him playing “great” before injury.

I agree he doesn't seem to be a huge game changer .. but you need the stalwart steady guys even more sometimes.

I never ever thought he was Aaron Donald or Von Miller game wreckers.

Solid pro the can be counted on was always my view.

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[sciond]

[kdels62]

As someone who really didn’t care Jermaine Johnson when we drafted him, I think he’s been solid especially agains the run. 

[maury77]

8 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

As someone who really didn’t care Jermaine Johnson when we drafted him, I think he’s been solid especially agains the run. 

I'm in the same boat. Neither of us were high on him, but he's been better than I expected. I don't think he's every going to be a consistent double digit sack guy, but I think he will be a consisten 8-10 sack guy who defends the run well and I'm more than happy with that if they pair him with a "bendier" DE on the other side. 

[kdels62]

4 minutes ago, maury77 said:

I'm in the same boat. Neither of us were high on him, but he's been better than I expected. I don't think he's every going to be a consistent double digit sack guy, but I think he will be a consisten 8-10 sack guy who defends the run well and I'm more than happy with that if they pair him with a "bendier" DE on the other side. 

I said the guy is gonna be a Bryan Thomas type of player which is great for 25 overall and perfectly fine with Carl Lawson, Bryce Huff, JFM, Quinnen doing pass rush damage around him.

[Jet Nut]

16 hours ago, Facts said:

Tell that to the head coach.

"Rookies, uh, when they come into the league there is a lot of stuff going on with these men... With Jermaine, we have had a very deep defensive line. If its not 100% crisp, and this is for all them, they all deserve to play, then were going to roll with the guys that can" - Saleh on JJ

Sounds perfectly reasonable and sound thinking. 

[Reasonable Jets Fan]

On 11/4/2022 at 10:31 AM, Facts said:

I said on draft day I thought this was a terrible pick and there was a reason that teams let him slide (and the Jets should have kept letting him slide).

Now he’s not even active for big games like the Patriots and Saleh said it’s partly due to “football” reasons.

Why do you post here? Is it your fan base is boring... Or do you just love to troll this site? 

Either way this site doesn't need you... 

[Facts]

25 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said:

Why do you post here? Is it your fan base is boring... Or do you just love to troll this site? 

Either way this site doesn't need you... 

Odd question considering:

1) I've been a member here longer than you.

2) Have more posts than you (and have a higher reputation).

3) Have been a Jets fan longer than you.

4) Huh?

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, Facts said:

Odd question considering:

1) I've been a member here longer than you.

2) Have more posts than you (and have a higher reputation).

3) Have been a Jets fan longer than you.

4) Huh?

None of which makes your JJ take on point.  
So there’s that.

[Reasonable Jets Fan]

11 minutes ago, Facts said:

Odd question considering:

1) I've been a member here longer than you.

2) Have more posts than you (and have a higher reputation).

3) Have been a Jets fan longer than you.

4) Huh?

None of those are true

[C Mart]

23 hours ago, Facts said:

You're telling me he tried to draft JJ at 15?

Do you even follow this team?

[Bruce Harper]

On 11/4/2022 at 8:31 AM, Facts said:

I said on draft day I thought this was a terrible pick and there was a reason that teams let him slide (and the Jets should have kept letting him slide).

Now he’s not even active for big games like the Patriots and Saleh said it’s partly due to “football” reasons.

Paying a lot of attention, are you?

[Origen]

One day we won't need the like of HIM on our team!

[JetsFanatic]

On 11/4/2022 at 10:31 AM, Facts said:

I said on draft day I thought this was a terrible pick and there was a reason that teams let him slide (and the Jets should have kept letting him slide).

Now he’s not even active for big games like the Patriots and Saleh said it’s partly due to “football” reasons.

You also in the Zach sucks crowd?

[Vudu]

Another putrid post

[Sammybighead]

4 hours ago, Facts said:

Know what usually happens when everyone agrees?

it usually means they’re wrong.

You are an objectively terrible poster. Trying to defend yourself by yelling nonsense at us and saying the entire planet is wrong isn't going to change that fact.  

Just do better next time. 

Thanks,

Entire Planet

[hawk]

On 11/4/2022 at 10:31 AM, Facts said:

I said on draft day I thought this was a terrible pick and there was a reason that teams let him slide (and the Jets should have kept letting him slide).

Now he’s not even active for big games like the Patriots and Saleh said it’s partly due to “football” reasons.

Awe!!!  Is someone looking for some praise,  here you go....

 

[Facts]

1 hour ago, Sammybighead said:

You are an objectively terrible poster. Trying to defend yourself by yelling nonsense at us and saying the entire planet is wrong isn't going to change that fact.  

Just do better next time. 

Thanks,

Entire Planet

Lol

[Facts]

1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said:

You also in the Zach sucks crowd?

Yes

[Facts]

2 hours ago, C Mart said:

Do you even follow this team?

[Facts]

3 hours ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said:

None of those are true

You joined two months ago. I joined two years ago.

I have a reputation of +700. You are barely at +100.

I watched the Jets win a SB. You are likely mid-20’s.

 

[Sperm Edwards]

On 11/4/2022 at 11:34 AM, Beerfish said:

He doesn't suck and the reason he was out was documented.

HOWEVER....

It does show that this scheme though improved still gives too few snaps to their guys due to over rotation.  Thus you have to wonder if it is worth it for you to let the coach talk you into trading up for such players?

If I am Douglas I am thinking, Saleh talked me into trading up for JJ o draft day ad I was happy to do so.  He gets like 25% of the snaps or some such thing.

Well do also keep in mind that the prior year the only edge/end who played all year was JFM (whose contributions became questionable from October onward, and who isn't a true pass rushing speedster off the edge in the first place). They didn't know what was going to be with him. Nor with Huff, who couldn't stay on the field either. Nor with Lawson, who not only missed the whole prior season but wasn't exactly Gehrig/Ripken before that. 

As a rookie, with this depth there's no need to have him out there 70% of the time. He can be eased in, earning snaps rather than having them handed to him because of draft position and/or extreme positional need, and tbh they do (generally) seem less winded as the game goes on -- particularly when we consider how quickly the offense gets right off the field (even more so since losing Hall). So I don't hate the DL rotation as much as you do.  

I think as long as Saleh & other coaches are satisfied with JJ enough to rely upon him more next year, then his presence on the roster - plus Clemons as well - will make at least one of the Lawson/JFM duo expendable heading into the '23 FA/draft periods. More likely Lawson imo, but we'll see. 

[Beerfish]

17 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well do also keep in mind that the prior year the only edge/end who played all year was JFM (whose contributions became questionable from October onward, and who isn't a true pass rushing speedster off the edge in the first place). They didn't know what was going to be with him. Nor with Huff, who couldn't stay on the field either. Nor with Lawson, who not only missed the whole prior season but wasn't exactly Gehrig/Ripken before that. 

As a rookie, with this depth there's no need to have him out there 70% of the time. He can be eased in, earning snaps rather than having them handed to him because of draft position and/or extreme positional need, and tbh they do (generally) seem less winded as the game goes on -- particularly when we consider how quickly the offense gets right off the field (even more so since losing Hall). So I don't hate the DL rotation as much as you do.  

I think as long as Saleh & other coaches are satisfied with JJ enough to rely upon him more next year, then his presence on the roster - plus Clemons as well - will make at least one of the Lawson/JFM duo expendable heading into the '23 FA/draft periods. More likely Lawson imo, but we'll see. 

WE TRADED UP IN THE FIRST ROUND TO GET THIS GUY.

When you do that you are looking for an immediate difference maker, not some developmental prospect like a Clemons.

If we were so stacked at Dline then you do not trade up to get a pass rusher.

I like the player, I think he has played pretty good when given the chance this year.  The pick has he hall marks of rex ryan running the show draft day.

[JustInFudge]

6 hours ago, Facts said:

Yeah i’ve rolled my eyes quite a few times while reading the posts about him playing “great” before injury.

Imagine how we feel seeing this stupid eye roll worthy topic on the main forum.

 

[Hex]

1 hour ago, Facts said:

You joined two months ago. I joined two years ago.

I have a reputation of +700. You are barely at +100.

I watched the Jets win a SB. You are likely mid-20’s.

 

And yet somehow your ice cold JJ take is worse than any of the takes the other guy has

[The Green Dude]

[Sammybighead]

5 hours ago, Facts said:

You joined two months ago. I joined two years ago.

I have a reputation of +700. You are barely at +100.

I watched the Jets win a SB. You are likely mid-20’s.

 

Guy, it doesn't matter if you're 170 years old, watched namath's mother give birth to him and hung out with Noah on his yacth. 

You're wrong. 

In limited time, JJ has done well. And even if he didn't, he's played 4 games into his rookie year! Other than a few extreme situations, you can't determine a rookie is a stud or a bust. I think we're seeing a rare situation this year play out with sauce we're we may be able to say he's a star already. But these snap judgements over a few games in a rookie year generally cannot be made. You are wrong. Stop it. Age and credentials don't make you right.

[Vudu]

This thread will be like the Berrios thread last season. Just watch. Gratuitous bumps every time JJ balls outb

[Jet Life]

Such an awful take

[BRONX DUDE]

On 11/4/2022 at 10:55 AM, GangGreened said:

I wasn’t a fan of drafting him either but I think he’s been fine so far. The injury set him back a bit we’ll see how he finishes the season.

WHAT INJURY?

[fullblast]

I wasn’t even a big Jermaine Johnson guy at draft time and I’m pretty pleased with his production to date.