Zach Wilson is a Living Nightmare - Alex Rollins

[All Gas, No Gase]

I know another Zach Wilson thread. This video does a good job of highlighting everything that Zach is struggling with and some of the coaching that is making Zach even worse. This is a spot on analysis.

Interestingly, Alex Rollins did a positive video on Zach last year because his footwork was getting so much better, and thought Zach was turning a corner.  He now sees Zach regressing and thinks there is little chance of Zach turning it around. 

 

[SuicidalSince98]

Who? 

[Paradis]

I don't want to put too much on one game (it is after all, one game) but i'm very curious to see how the CS/ZW respond w/ Buffalo. Do they play conservative to "preserve" Zach's psyche - score be damned? Do they make significant play calling adjustments?... Do they open it up to more simple RPO-type read and react stuff... 

All will be revealed tomorrow ?

[SuicidalSince98]

it’s so bizarre how people can take 3 plays and cast a blanket negative assessment on a 42 throw performance. Wilson showed some good things last week as well. If you don’t see it, you just don’t want to see it. 

[Paradis]

11 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

it’s so bizarre how people can take 3 plays and cast a blanket negative assessment on a 42 throw performance. Wilson showed some good things last week as well. If you don’t see it, you just don’t want to see it. 

I think you're willfully ignoring the glutton of posts that have nothing to do with the 3 plays, but more his lack intuitive/progressive play. It sucks that he threw 3 picks vs NE... but who cares. There's a line a mile long of QBs who have gone through the same thing... 

It's not what he's doing on the field, it's what he's not doing. Would love to be wrong, but there's warranted skepticism.  

[SuicidalSince98]

26 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I think you're willfully ignoring the glutton of posts that have nothing to do with the 3 plays, but more his lack intuitive/progressive play. It sucks that he threw 3 picks vs NE... but who cares. There's a line a mile long of QBs who have gone through the same thing... 

It's not what he's doing on the field, it's what he's not doing. Would love to be wrong, but there's warranted skepticism.  

No one is arguing that he is perfect or close to it. But you don’t don’t make as many high level throws in a game without doing something right 

[Jetsfan80]

21 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

No one is arguing that he is perfect or close to it. But you don’t don’t make as many high level throws in a game without doing something right 

“Flashes” 

[SuicidalSince98]

11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

“Flashes” 

Yes

[Paradis]

43 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

No one is arguing that he is perfect or close to it. But you don’t don’t make as many high level throws in a game without doing something right 

that's not what you said though. You said it's strange that ppl can't get over 3 plays. That's not the hang up.

Let's get through the tomorrow

[Jetsfan80]

19 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

Yes

Not a compliment.  

[Darnold's Forehead]

1 hour ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

No one is arguing that he is perfect or close to it. But you don’t don’t make as many high level throws in a game without doing something right 

Where are these “high level throws”?  Do you mean a few normal, 20 yard throws down the middle?  Every QB can and does throw those types of passes.  He can hit a receiver of he’s open and the pocket is clean.  Whoopty do.

[gdfodder]

Wilson will get pressure..we’ll see how he reacts this week.


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[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

LOL

19.1 completion % rate when pressured

literally the worst checkdown passer ever 

Either never gets to it or gets to it too late and off target 

[genot]

10 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

LOL

19.1 completion % rate when pressured

literally the worst checkdown passer ever 

Either never gets to it or gets to it so late and off target 

Leave that young boy alone. He's doing the best he can.

[genot]

26 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

LOL

19.1 completion % rate when pressured

literally the worst checkdown passer ever 

Either never gets to it or gets to it too late and off target 

A friend asked,"who's your QB again?".  "It's Zack Wilson". 

[Fantasy Island]

He will show us why you don’t draft a one year wonder out of podunk college #2 overall

[genot]

6 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

He will show us why you don’t draft a one year wonder out of podunk college #2 overall

And that's exactly what he was. A one year wonder. The one game his last year when he faced some real pressure,  he folded. Against Coastal Carolina.

[TommyT]

I don’t see Zach as our qb during the Bills game. I think at some point he gets pulled for White.

[FidelioJet]

4 hours ago, All Gas, No Gase said:

I know another Zach Wilson thread. This video does a good job of highlighting everything that Zach is struggling with and some of the coaching that is making Zach even worse. This is a spot on analysis.

Interestingly, Alex Rollins did a positive video on Zach last year because his footwork was getting so much better, and thought Zach was turning a corner.  He now sees Zach regressing and thinks there is little chance of Zach turning it around. 

 

Why is this "Spot On?"

Because you say so? 

I think it's way off.  

I Honeslty don't know why this couldn't have gone into another Zach Wilson sucks thread?

It was always going to be two steps forward, one step back with Zach.  He had a long way to go.  Playing BB was always going to be a problem for Zach.  This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.  

Surely wasn't to me.

[All Gas, No Gase]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Why is this "Spot On?"

Because you say so? 

I think it's way off.  

I Honeslty don't know why this couldn't have gone into another Zach Wilson sucks thread?

It was always going to be two steps forward, one step back with Zach.  He had a long way to go.  Playing BB was always going to be a problem for Zach.  This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.  

Surely wasn't to me.

Because he did a great job describing all the issues Zach is struggling with in a 12-minute video, not just because he said so. It’s okay for you to have your own opinion. Just curious, do you ever watch the All 22?

I do as I really hoped Zach would develop and I’m a fan of Zach from his BYU days and think he can develop into something special, yet he is having problems with bailing on the pocket too soon sometimes when there is no pressure, never stepping up in the pocket and having bad footwork including happy feet that leads to inaccurate throws in not just the NE game. He also never takes a hit to deliver a strike anymore. I believe a FQB has to be willing to do that in the NFL. On Zach’s bad plays it is often not the defense causing the problems but Zach creating his own problems and I’m not seeing improvement there which is concerning..

I still believe Zach has the talent to be an elite QB and there are stretches in every game when he plays well. However, I’m not optimistic on Zach’s development anymore when he doesn’t even do basic QB technique such as stepping up in the pocket. 

[thebuzzardman]

What does Henry Rollins have to say? 

 

 

[Biggs]

Did anyone notice that this guys target audience is men who can’t get an erection?   

[Bruce Harper]

Kudos for the deliberately misleading thread title. 

[BCJet]

Well said.  Zach was really in a groove in the first half and then absolutely crumbled in the 2nd.  There were multiple plays where he simply didnt see a wide open player and his mechanics continue to be a problem, those are serious issues.

The question for me though is this - when he played so "well" against the Bucs (and during the end of year stretch last season) didnt he focus on getting the ball out quickly and taking what the defense was giving him?  It almost seems like he knows what hes supposed to do but cant stop himself from getting immediately into sandlot mode as the ball is snapped.

Today will certainly be interesting to see how he bounces back.

[JustInFudge]

53 minutes ago, All Gas, No Gase said:

Because he did a great job describing all the issues Zach is struggling with in a 12-minute video, not just because he said so. It’s okay for you to have your own opinion. Just curious, do you ever watch the All 22?

I do as I really hoped Zach would develop and I’m a fan of Zach from his BYU days and think he can develop into something special, yet he is having problems with bailing on the pocket too soon sometimes when there is no pressure, never stepping up in the pocket and having bad footwork including happy feet that leads to inaccurate throws in not just the NE game. He also never takes a hit to deliver a strike anymore. I believe a FQB has to be willing to do that in the NFL. On Zach’s bad plays it is often not the defense causing the problems but Zach creating his own problems and I’m not seeing improvement there which is concerning..

I still believe Zach has the talent to be an elite QB and there are stretches in every game when he plays well. However, I’m not optimistic on Zach’s development anymore when he doesn’t even do basic QB technique such as stepping up in the pocket. 

Pretty solid video.  Honestly think he's knocking the coaching staff a bit too much here. The kid is impossible to call plays for, it's a 50/50 toss up if he even give the play the opportunity to develop and/or he drop backs havent thrown the timing completely off.  That said, I do think it's on the coaching staff to adjust.  He cant run Lil Mikey's playbook, I'm not sure he can run any playbook and Lil Mikey has to do something about it.  The only and I mean only solution I can come up with is 90% RPO for entire game which will take away everything he does from the second the ball is snapped that throws the playoff immediately. 

Hundreds of QB's come through the NFL that have an amazing arm and great athleticism.  Many of them, never see the field because they look like Zach Wilson when they get in an NFL game. The only reason Zach Wilson plays, is because of his draft selection.  Otherwise, there is absolutely no way you can justify that type of negligence at even attempting to improve his piss fundamentals that plagued him all last year as well. 

[shawn306]

7 hours ago, All Gas, No Gase said:

I know another Zach Wilson thread. This video does a good job of highlighting everything that Zach is struggling with and some of the coaching that is making Zach even worse. This is a spot on analysis.

Interestingly, Alex Rollins did a positive video on Zach last year because his footwork was getting so much better, and thought Zach was turning a corner.  He now sees Zach regressing and thinks there is little chance of Zach turning it around. 

 

Never heard of him

[bla bla bla]

11 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Hundreds of QB's come through the NFL that have an amazing arm and great athleticism.  Many of them, never see the field because they look like Zach Wilson when they get in an NFL game. The only reason Zach Wilson plays, is because of his draft selection.  Otherwise, there is absolutely no way you can justify that type of negligence at even attempting to improve his piss fundamentals that plagued him all last year as well. 

Which begs the question, why was he selected #2 and why weren't hundreds of other QBs considered? In short, he has special attributes that make taking him at #2 a gamble but the pay off is massive compared to someone like Mac Jones.

The only other option the Jets could have considered in a redraft, is trading out of #2 with the 49ers and convincing them to give us Jimmy G. Zach was always going to go #2 overall whether it was us or another team.

[Trotter]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not a compliment.  

You weren’t going to let him hang for awhile on that one?

[kevinc855]

18 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Pretty solid video.  Honestly think he's knocking the coaching staff a bit too much here. The kid is impossible to call plays for, it's a 50/50 toss up if he even give the play the opportunity to develop and/or he drop backs havent thrown the timing completely off.  That said, I do think it's on the coaching staff to adjust.  He cant run Lil Mikey's playbook, I'm not sure he can run any playbook and Lil Mikey has to do something about it.  The only and I mean only solution I can come up with is 90% RPO for entire game which will take away everything he does from the second the ball is snapped that throws the playoff immediately. 

Hundreds of QB's come through the NFL that have an amazing arm and great athleticism.  Many of them, never see the field because they look like Zach Wilson when they get in an NFL game. The only reason Zach Wilson plays, is because of his draft selection.  Otherwise, there is absolutely no way you can justify that type of negligence at even attempting to improve his piss fundamentals that plagued him all last year as well. 

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[SuicidalSince98]

man the Jets really must be the best team in the NFL to go 4-1 and average 25 ppg (good for top 5 in nfl) with a nightmare garbage QB

[68JET11]

This all would have been moot, if F'n Macc would have taken Allen, like I wanted him to. ?

[Sarge4Tide]

7 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

Who? 

Lead Singer of Black Flag

[derp]

17 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Which begs the question, why was he selected #2 and why weren't hundreds of other QBs considered? In short, he has special attributes that make taking him at #2 a gamble but the pay off is massive compared to someone like Mac Jones.

The only other option the Jets could have considered in a redraft, is trading out of #2 with the 49ers and convincing them to give us Jimmy G. Zach was always going to go #2 overall whether it was us or another team.

Wilson was not the only strong armed athletic QB in that class. He wasn’t consensus #2 early in the process. He was the one Douglas very visibly and obviously fell for and so he became consensus #2 because everyone knew the Jets were taking him.

But it’s not like it was Wilson versus Jones if you wanted an athletic QB. Lance had more tools with less track record and Fields had maybe less arm but more athleticism and way more big game track record. And as we’re seeing now with Fields, taking guys who can work designed QB run into the development plan helps build confidence as they’re developing.

Or they could’ve taken a step back, realized the recent history of taking quarterbacks 2-5 overall is as horrible as the team they’d be putting him on and that position player class was elite, and just not taken a QB there. A few position players in that class would’ve absolutely justified being taken second overall. And the trade down would’ve been fine too.

 

[bla bla bla]

3 minutes ago, derp said:

Wilson was not the only strong armed athletic QB in that class. He wasn’t consensus #2 early in the process. He was the one Douglas very visibly and obviously fell for and so he became consensus #2 because everyone knew the Jets were taking him.

But it’s not like it was Wilson versus Jones if you wanted an athletic QB. Lance had more tools with less track record and Fields had maybe less arm but more athleticism and way more big game track record. And as we’re seeing now with Fields, taking guys who can work designed QB run into the development plan helps build confidence as they’re developing.

Or they could’ve taken a step back, realized the recent history of taking quarterbacks 2-5 overall is as horrible as the team they’d be putting him on and that position player class was elite, and just not taken a QB there. A few position players in that class would’ve absolutely justified being taken second overall. And the trade down would’ve been fine too.

Lance was 2 years removed from a good season and I think that 2 Shanahan offense style teams passing on Fields is enough to justify people thinking he wasn't a fit. 

In the scenario where we go a position player, who is our QB? I don't disagree that there were top players in that class but I don't know what our plan would have been.

[tfine]

It’s almost like Zach and only Zach has this time limit and low margin for error. You never hear his about Trevor or Fields…bad game for fields…no problem…game ending interception for Trevor…we’ll get em next time….bad game for Zach…everyone comes out from under a rock to kill the kid…”red flags”…”Zach needs to grow up”…”he’s not the guy”…..multiple videos picking him apart….etc..a lot this is over the top…I get the feeling there are a lot people waiting to take shots at the kid….I get he’s played like crap…but he does not get held to the same standards as Trevor Lawerence or Fields.

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