Time to put your name on it….Is Robert Saleh a good Coach?

[HawkeyeJet]

I think the sample size is large enough to get a very good feel for what he is as a coach.  That said, it’s been a tale of 2 seasons.  2021 was abysmal by all accounts.  Record wise, team stats wise, everything.

2022 has been quite positive in all regards.  Team is winning,  offense has been respectable and defense has been borderline elite and special teams have been outstanding as well.

Overall his winning percentage is still poor at .385 for his career and almost certainly will remain below .500 through this year.  If you average the team unit rankings for his career both offense and defense are in the vicinity of 20.  Offense 22 and D 19.5

Just strictly from an overall statistical standpoint the answer would point to no, not a good coach.

My answer however is yes, he is, and I think it was an excellent hire.

[static14]

Yes. He is. 

[Spoot-Face]

He's good when they're winning.

He's bad when they're not.

[slats]

He’s a very good coach, and the Jets are fortunate to have him. 
 
I’ve posted this so many times that I can now post it almost entirely using predictive text: last season was a 20 game exhibition season. Last year was all about installing their systems and altering the culture. Evaluating themselves and the players. Wins were a distant afterthought most weeks, what they wanted to see was specific growth. I remember Ulbrich, in particular, hearing a lot of **** from the podium late in the season, and he stood there and told you the defense was improving and they could see it. You can certainly see it now. 
 
The Zach questions will persist, largely because they’re the only complaint left. But because this team is so well constructed and so well coached, I’m not worried about it. They’ll get Zach up to speed. If they don’t, they’ll figure out a solution. I can’t recall feeling better about a Jets’ GM/HC combo. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

I do think he's a good HC. Even when we lost, I didn't think it was because of bad coaching on his part. He's aggressive when he needs to be. He doesn't let problems blow up and get out of hand (see Moore situation). He believes in his players (see Mims). And he adapts and not afraid to speak up about changes regarding game plans and schemes (see Zach Wilson). He's not just sticking to the defensive side, he obviously talks with LeFluer about what needs to change in order to work. Getting G. Wilson and Mims more involved. His hands are all over this team and it's not a bad thing. 

 

 

 

[Wit]

He was losing me earlier this year, but hes smart, and he believes in his scheme and plan. Hes a good coach. He also has game managed the hell out of the clock this season. 

[doitny]

he is a good coach. but like any coach he is only as good as his team is.

you got to give him credit for not letting us get down. we have not lost 2 in a row all year. they changed the gameplan yesterday to give Zach quick short throw to get him in a Rythm.

[jetstream23]

Never wavered.  He's been in my sig since we hired him.  He's the right guy at the right time for this young team.  And, if we're patient (good luck with that) we'll allow him to grow and make the occasional mistake as he gets better.

[rangerous]

he's keeping the team focused on the game ahead.  he is making decent in game decisions.  the fake punt being one of them.  running down clock instead of trying to score a td isn't bad in that situation although they did give it back to buffalo with too much time.  the defense is playing the way he wanted it last season.  obviously the new players like sauce, alexander, and reed are making a huge difference, as are joyner and whitehead.  all of those positions are upgrades from last season.  so he's got the players and his in game moves are okay.  let's see him get into the playoffs before putting him in canton.

[Lith]

Yes.

Took a bit of time, but he has this defense flying around and being dominant.  Offense is establishing an identity despite multiple injuries to key players.  Players seem to like playing for him, annd they keep fighitng for a full 4 quarters.  Whether that it adjustments or conditioning, but we seem to be at our best in the 4th quarter.

 

[Origen]

Never thought he wasn't and really got annoyed by reading all the garbage for the most of his time here.  I think a lot of it has to do with people expecting THE JETS to be able to turn around a place and culture overnight when they are THE JETS.  I doubt he will ever push Belichecks records or anything, but I do believe he will go down as the guy who altered the franchise for the better and maybe, just maybe, gets us to the big game for once in MY lifetime.

[GreenFish]

Robert Saleh, Mike Lafleur, Brant Boyer and Jeff Ulbrich are all good coaches.

GM: Check

HC: Check

QB: ?? TBD. If Saleh still believes in him, so will I

That’s the trifecta

[Rhg1084]

We were all killing him early on for his d line rotation, turns out Saleh got the last laugh. These guys are coming in fresh and flying off the line. Kudos to him for trusting his scheme

[Jetsfan80]

Douglas has of course been more important to the success than Saleh, but they're also a bit of a package deal.  This was the first HC Douglas put HIS name on.  And so far, so good.

[Vudu]

**** yes

[65 Toss Power Trap]

He's good. Good leader. Culture changer. 

He came into absolutely nothing. Cupboard bare, young guys. Some have been way to fast to judge him prematurely. 

He's a year ahead of schedule. 6-7 wins would have been acceptable this year as long as obvious upgrades/improvement was happening.

There will probably come a time when he has to upgrade/change a coordinator or another coach, hope he's decisive and moves quickly.

 

[Paradis]

be foolish to claim otherwise... you can't accidentally go 6-3 with a developing QB and a team with avg age of like 24 years old. 

More importantly, he made Sundays worth getting excited about again...

[The Crusher]

21 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

He's good when they're winning.

He's bad when they're not.

Where do I check the box to vote this  answer?

[slimjasi]

trending that way, but long way to go. 

His players love him and he seems to have brought the 49er brand of football to NY. This defense is legit and I think he's handled the Zach Wilson stuff well in the media. 

 

[Bronx]

Sticking to his script of rotating players is paying its dividends. But it's still too early to put a stamp on him.

[jamesr]

14 hours ago, Paradis said:

More importantly, he made Sundays worth getting excited about again...

This. Been a long time, but so nice to start watching a game without thinking "let's see how bad we suck this week".

I bought the International Game Pass for this year as I was feeling hopeful about our team this year. Well worth it so far - here's to many more exciting Sundays! 

[BigRy56]

Yes. He’s exactly what the Jets needed

[Origen]

Actually watching 4th quarters with excitement!  Hell, watching 2nd quarters with excitement for the first time in years...

[Claymation]

The jury is still out, but I am leaning towards yes. 

[JustInFudge]

[Jimmy 2 Times]

I’m going to start running the stairs in my house before games!

[shawn306]

The only thing I would like to see him do better is reign in LaFleur a little bit on the passing. There have been a couple of times this year, (Opening Day vs the Ravens and New England) where I felt they Jets got away from the running game way to soon.

Other than that he has been awesome this year.

[Saul Goodman]

Virtually every player is performing at or above their talent level. And the team is winning more games than they probably should. Couldn’t be happier with Saleh, and the assistants.

Would be nice if LaFleur got the recognition he deserves but he’ll always serve as the scapegoat for any shortcomings by the QB, just how it is I guess. 

[KRL]

I would usually wait before passing judgment on Saleh as a HC because its
only his second year.  But there are a couple of factors that are pointing
to him being a good HC:

- The ability to handle this area (fanbase, media, team history) in a
professional manner

- Taking a young roster in his first year and drastically improving its
performance/record in the second year

- Assembling a staff that has developed young players so they can contribute
quickly (Hall, AVT, Herbig, Wilson, Gardner, etc.)

- Assembling a staff that has been excellent in second half adjustments

- His sideline handling of the game has been solid.  Reading the "temperature"
of the game and being aggressive or conservative based on the opponent

- Reading his roster and installing a blueprint/identity for them to win games 

He's giving off a "CEO HC" type of vibe

[Greenbloodblitz]

I have gone out of my way over and over to say that the GM and HC of this team are building character. Yes he is definitely a good Head Coach! If you've ever built anything you have to teach people how to do it right.

[sourceworx]

He has the team playing very well right now. You can't ask for more than that from your head coach.

[More Cowbell]

50 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I think the sample size is large enough to get a very good feel for what he is as a coach.  That said, it’s been a tale of 2 seasons.  2021 was abysmal by all accounts.  Record wise, team stats wise, everything.

2022 has been quite positive in all regards.  Team is winning,  offense has been respectable and defense has been borderline elite and special teams have been outstanding as well.

Overall his winning percentage is still poor at .385 for his career and almost certainly will remain below .500 through this year.  If you average the team unit rankings for his career both offense and defense are in the vicinity of 20.  Offense 22 and D 19.5

Just strictly from an overall statistical standpoint the answer would point to no, not a good coach.

My answer however is yes, he is, and I think it was an excellent hire.

I think he is getting better. Certainly  has earned more time. 

[clayton163v]

We still commit too many wholly preventable penalties.  I am referring to the personal fouls on the QB.  Now, I realized that the refs are screwing us and have for years.  But the coach has to teach his team the rules as they are called.  He also has to adapt.  Yesterday, JFM literally caught and gently put down Josh Allen after one play (I clapped).  There was more evidence of fine coaching yesterday too.

How about Zack getting rid of the ball?  How about no chicken dance?  This was coaching.

How about going for it?  How about the special teams?  The coach has to pull the string.  To me it is not whether you get away with it - it is a big risk - instead, was it a competent attempt?  Our special teams executed crisply.  That is more than Boyer. 

The biggest complement - and complaint - that I give a coach is what he does with the young players.  Any coach can play the top picks and the veterans and avoid getting blown out.   But to develop and play young talent that arrived in the later rounds - that is the real trick.  Mitchell, MC 1, MC 2, Echols, Clemons and there are others.  Saleh has suffered through the growing pains that come with young starters.  Now comes the reward as the youngest team in the league comes of age. 

The other thing I hold against a coach are turnovers.  We have been pretty good in that department.

I like Saleh's body of work and would have said that before the Bill's game. 

[talisaynon]

Clearly. 

[ganggreen305]

Yes.  This is the best Jets team in a long time.