THE BARON Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, BeaconJet said: Selling low on an asset is usually a bad strategy. They gambled he could rebuild his value and lost but they still had two starting quality tackles plus Mitchell, without Becton. Injuries have killed the line. an asset ??? ok. I'm out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrodcharlie Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, choon328 said: I have a hard time believing that nobody is trying to correct Wilson's footwork. It's more likely that they spend extensive time on it and when he gets in the game and the bullets are flying he just forgets everything and reverts back to what he's done his entire life. I do think he studies hard and practices hard but I think the game is too fast for him to process what he's seeing post snap. What compounds that issue is that I don't think he's very good at diagnosing what's going on pre snap either. His football IQ in games is tremendously lower then I expected and I'm sure it's much lower then the organization expected by this time in his development. In this offense arm strength is the least needed trait, mental awareness and accuracy are way more important. He struggles in both of those things and I'm sure they've been working to improve him in those areas for 2 years, it's just not clicking for him. The frustrating thing is that Wilson can and has played with better footwork so it is just a matter of being lazy. It is not like he was someone they needed to rebuild their footwork like Darnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, batman10023 said: was there a buy for him this offseason? jd didnt even try. if i did't get any interest from an NFL team, try the thrift shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, LockeJET said: When you have a quarterback that should absolutely not be playing, there isn’t a coordinator in the world that can help him. It’s his ******* job to develop him !!! design the offense around him Factor in the opponent and weather make adjustments you know, coordinate things lol unfortunately I think what’s going on is 2 young guys that are a bad match lafleur could probably run the 9ers offense with jimmy g , Zach would look very different under any number of guys I think they’d where the wild inconsistency comes from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Just now, THE BARON said: jd didnt even try. if i did't get any interest from an NFL team, try the thrift shop are you on the inside? how do you know he didn't try? anyway, he's not going to trade him for a 4th round pick or something like that. worth the optionality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LockeJET Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Larz said: It’s his ******* job to develop him !!! design the offense around him Factor in the opponent and weather make adjustments you know, coordinate things lol unfortunately I think what’s going on is 2 young guys that are a bad match lafleur could probably run the 9ers offense with jimmy g , Zach would look very different under any number of guys I think they’d where the wild inconsistency comes from Some quarterbacks aren’t good enough to be developed. If that was the case, every single quarterback would be salvageable in the NFL. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, LockeJET said: Some quarterbacks aren’t good enough to be developed. If that was the case, every single quarterback would be salvageable in the NFL. unfortunately true. Sometimes you swing and miss. First round QB bust rate - 40% (bleacher report) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2441018-which-positions-are-the-safest-riskiest-at-the-top-of-the-nfl-draft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: How many ******* places do we need to argue the same points? I don't believe any of this trolly sh*t. Wilson was horrible. Super horrible in both Pats games. Let's see if he comes to life against a sh*tty Bears team. If he is truly being a bitch about it, the way everybody claimed yesterday after the pressers, then they should bench him like they did with Moore. This board swaying back and forth from firing everybody to being scared they will be poached by other teams and back is exhausting. Pro tip: Please put some humor in your silly trolling. Will do Dom, thanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 26 minutes ago, Larz said: Zach would look very different under any number of guys Pure unsupported fantasy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Green Dude Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Fantasy Island said: My man gave himself post of the week! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur I think the big problem here is you don't understand the game you're watching on TV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Irish Jet said: Did you watch the game? I struggle to think of a more flattering stat line than Zach vs New England. You do realize that I am not, in fact, Rich Cimini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetluv58 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 hours ago, LockeJET said: When you have a quarterback that should absolutely not be playing, there isn’t a coordinator in the world that can help him. Or he doesn’t know how to coach the psychological side of the game? The humans. I just think so far he’s too conservative, but maybe Z can’t handle the whole menu? I don’t know. None of us do. But ain’t we got fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I can't wait for nine years into the future when Pete Carroll wins a Super Bowl with Zach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 How many times has Zach played lousy and yet the Jets still won? How many times has Zach played lights out and the Jets still lost? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Lith said: I don't know what to think of Lafleur. He has certainly not succeeded in bringing Wilson along, but is that on Lafleur or it on Wilson. It is not Lafluer's fault that Zach chose to run rather than throw to a wide open Denzel Mims in the EZ in Q2 Sunday. It is not Lafleur's fault that Zach sailed one 5 feet over Tyler Conklin's head into the arms of Devin McCourty who dropped it. It is not Lafleur's fault that Wilson threw one into the ground 6 feet in front of an open Elijah Moore, past the sticks on a 3rd down throw. It is not Lafleur's fault that Wilson did not throw to an open Moore past the sticks on the 3rd down play before the game ending punt. It is not Lafleur's fault that Wilson sailed one 6-8 feet above Braxton Berrios' head in the flat. I don't know if Lafluer is good or not because his QB has not been capable of consistently running an NFL offense. I didn’t see this of course, and in not seeing it NE’s D looked like the ‘85 Bears vs Wilson to me. But I read a post here from someone who saw the All 22 and there were Jet receivers running wide open virtually all game. Kid still can’t come close to reading an NFL D at this point or make adjustments. NONE of that is on Mike LaFleur. Very disconcerting with the #2 pick in the Nation, couple that with being back to missing throws average HS QBs make, Saleh has to have a quick hook every time he starts him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: ...wilson hate..... You know you're a Wilson-above-all-else guy if you regularly use the term "Wilson hate" and mean it seriously. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur You gave yourself a post of the week for this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, Coquito said: How many times has Zach played lousy and yet the Jets still won? How many times has Zach played lights out and the Jets still lost? He’s never played lights out. Its either ‘awful’ or ‘at least it wasn’t awful, but still bad’. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 hours ago, WILLY said: unfortunately true. Sometimes you swing and miss. First round QB bust rate - 40% (bleacher report) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2441018-which-positions-are-the-safest-riskiest-at-the-top-of-the-nfl-draft Jets gotta be 90 percent no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, hotrodcharlie said: The frustrating thing is that Wilson can and has played with better footwork so it is just a matter of being lazy. It is not like he was someone they needed to rebuild their footwork like Darnold I agree it’s frustrating…I went back and looked at the Buffalo game and his footwork was pretty good and consistent. He made quick decisions and delivered the ball mostly on target..like 75% completions. Weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 In Lafluers defense he’s working with the worst QB in the NFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 Football guy pretty much validated my theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Triple H and Tony Khan like this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xJayce Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur From what I saw in Kurt Warner's review of the tape, there were quite a few guys open. My assumption is that the scheme is getting guys open. Zach hesitates, his feet are wrong, his eyes are not in the right place, and he can't spot the open guys (or he misses them due to points #2 and #3). Not sure how you address that from the OC...? Just hand off the ball all game and hope for the best? Oh wait, New England played tough against the run... If you don't even have the basics in your QB, doesn't matter who the OC is, you're pretty much cooked. And let's not talk about scheming to Zach's strengths as he hasn't really shown he has any consistently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xJayce Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 7 hours ago, Integrity28 said: He’s never played lights out. Its either ‘awful’ or ‘at least it wasn’t awful, but still bad’. By my unofficial count, Zach has been mid in 25 of 28 quarters this year. He's been good in 3 or 28 quarters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Did you watch the game? I struggle to think of a more flattering stat line than Zach vs New England. Tim Hasselbeck vs Dallas, Dec 14, 2001 He went 6-26 for 56 yards and 4 INTs 21 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 22 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur You can’t just ignore this fact. The QB can’t hit his WRs in stride on short passes, can’t throw the ball in his WRs vicinity on deeper passes and his throwaways end up in defensive players hands. There’s not a coach on this planet that can succeed. The only issue here might be Mike telling Salah he can’t coach with Wilson starting and Salah telling him the mandate is from JD. Else we all know who needs to be benched. Salah watches the same game. It’s not like Zach has been fine on short passes but just can’t get over the line against good Ds. Just look at his completions. Some of the most “why the fudge” would you even throw this high” type of completions. It’s almost like Wilson needs a complete break from football. His mind is somewhere else. Maybe his moms best friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 22 hours ago, Claymation said: Zach didn't play well, and the run game has been non-existent against NE the past 2 games. That’s because they know they don’t need the extra men in coverage, they can pack the box for run/blitz daring the kid to throw downfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 23 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Some facts - Moore and lefleur got into it before he requested a trade - Garrett Wilson’s comments post game seemed directed at the offensive game plan - Saleh yesterday said that he was late due to some personal issues going on with staff (hmmm) - When asked if changes would include a change at play caller Saleh sort of paused and didn’t definitively shut the door on that Wilson not being able to hit the backside of a barn aside, I think the big problem here is LeFleur I don’t believe these are facts. 1: has this been verified? 2: If comments “seem” to be anything, then they are not facts, this is your interpretation. 3: Again, you are guessing. 4: Again, you are guessing. You might even be correct in your guesses but nothing is a fact until it is verified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: That’s because they know they don’t need the extra men in coverage, they can pack the box for run/blitz daring the kid to throw downfield 13 personnel should get you something, go under the center and do a play action and hit a slant. You have the attitude of, oh well, they are stacking the box let's give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Claymation said: 13 personnel should get you something, go under the center and do a play action and hit a slant. You have the attitude of, oh well, they are stacking the box let's give up. I agree, but that is just it. Wilson can’t do that. His accuracy is so poor, and he can’t throw when pressure is in his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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