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Has any organization failed consecutively at the QB position as often as we have?

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y2k8

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The Buccaneers have never in their history have one of their first or second round QB picks work out for them. Yet they won two SuperBowls this century with veteran FAs.

Winston and Freeman are just their latest 1st round busts). (Steve Young, Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer won SBs elsewhere and Vinny had a good career later on).

 

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Just now, Saul Goodman said:

With Zach, he should have had a 3rd round draft grade, just a ridiculous draft pick. That’s on Douglas. Thankfully he’s hit some home runs since then. 

I could have sworn I read here that he was a generational talent. something about a pass he threw in his underpants that broke the internet.

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57 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Yes.  The Browns.  The Lions.  The Bears.  Just as a start.

Still sucks, but we're not the only team that has had trouble finding "the guy".

and Jacksonville, Denver, Washington, Carolina and Tampa.  It is really not a unique problem. Either you land your guy for the next 15 years or you are continuing to look for a solution whether it is a vet or the draft. 

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I think one thing where the jets have failed in drafting qbs is that they’ve always drafted immature guys who needed too much coaching from a maturity standpoint along with trying to groom them on football fundamentals.  It took geno nearly a decade to grow up and that’s when he became a good qb.  Wilson will need time in this regard.

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14 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I think one thing where the jets have failed in drafting qbs is that they’ve always drafted immature guys who needed too much coaching from a maturity standpoint along with trying to groom them on football fundamentals.  It took geno nearly a decade to grow up and that’s when he became a good qb.  Wilson will need time in this regard.

It's not just the Jets. Look at the graveyard of 1st round picks that fail. What is the actual success rate? For every Pat Mahomes, how many Trubiskys?

This is what happens when you draft children and expect them to not only be the face of a franchise but be leaders of men - day one.

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4 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Clemens

Sanchez

Geno

Darnold

Wilson

5 consecutive 1st or 2nd round draft picks at the QB position without one success for the Jets. Has anyone else done this?

 

Wasnt Clemens a second round pick? We still had Pennington then. I never understood the love for that guy. 

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Not sure why everyone does this. But why are these young 22 years old thrown into the fire rookie season? We've seen it fail way more then it worked. Many of these guys sat in college so now all of a sudden they're ready to be an adequate QB from out the gate in the NFL and too cool to sit a year? I hope this trend stops. Wilson should have been holding a clipboard and watching behind two professional QBs battle it out every week his rookie season and grasping how to be a pro. 

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Yucatan Jetfan

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Each of those players were drafted where they should have been, except for Zach. They just busted. It happens.
With Zach, he should have had a 3rd round draft grade, just a ridiculous draft pick. That’s on Douglas. Thankfully he’s hit some home runs since then. 
Many experts loved Zach. I don't blame JD or Saleh. I always been an optimist when it comes to Jets draft pick. But they swung and missed on Zach, however they did a great job with the rest of the team.

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5 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Clemens

Sanchez

Geno

Darnold

Wilson

5 consecutive 1st or 2nd round draft picks at the QB position without one success for the Jets. Has anyone else done this?

 

Did anyone mention the Browns?  Lol

So bad at draft they just went ahead and signed a sexual predator to a deal that is approximately $10m per woman he assaulted. 

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Until the Chiefs found Mahomes, that org had a pretty awful run of drafted QBs:

  • Steve Fuller (1979 - Rd 1)
  • Todd Blackledge (1983 - Rd 1)
  • Mike Elkins (1989 - Rd 2 pick 32)
  • Matt Blundin (1992 - Rd 2 pick 40)
  • Brodie Croyle (2006 - Rd 3 pick 85)

That gap between 1992 and 2006 speaks to how terrified they were to draft a QB high (the Blackledge mistake in the '83 class was particularly egregious), and they went with vet after vet option during that period (Bill Kenney, Steve DeBerg, Ron Jaworski, Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Steve Bono, Rich Gannon, Elvis Grbac, Warren Moon, Trent Green). 

Plus after Croyle they went on another vet run (Damon Huard, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn, Alex Smith).

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Kellen Clemens had a successful NFL career,  He played 12 years in the league.  For a 2nd rounder that is pretty good.

Geno is also a success 9 years in the league and huge resurgence for a 2nd rounder.

Clemens and Darnold never had a chance with the teams they were handed.

Sanchez and Wilson had great to good enough teams to succeed.

If you want stink QBs Hackenburg is the biggest stink and James Morgan was also a total fail.

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Until the Chiefs found Mahomes, that org had a pretty awful run of drafted QBs:

  • Steve Fuller (1979 - Rd 1)
  • Todd Blackledge (1983 - Rd 1)
  • Mike Elkins (1989 - Rd 2 pick 32)
  • Matt Blundin (1992 - Rd 2 pick 40)
  • Brodie Croyle (2006 - Rd 3 pick 85)

That gap between 1992 and 2006 speaks to how terrified they were to draft a QB high (the Blackledge mistake in the '83 class was particularly egregious), and they went with vet after vet option during that period (Bill Kenney, Steve DeBerg, Ron Jaworski, Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Steve Bono, Rich Gannon, Elvis Grbac, Warren Moon, Trent Green). 

Plus after Croyle they went on another vet run (Damon Huard, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn, Alex Smith).

Amazing huh, Chiefs went all those years with bad QB draft/development, they bring in Andy Reid and boom, right away a hit.

There is nothing random about getting a good QB. Good coaches know how to identify, develop, and call games to QB's strengths. Bad coaches don't.  

We have had bad QB's because we have had had bad coaches, its that simple

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Kellen Clemens had a successful NFL career,  He played 12 years in the league.  For a 2nd rounder that is pretty good.

Geno is also a success 9 years in the league and huge resurgence for a 2nd rounder.

Clemens and Darnold never had a chance with the teams they were handed.

Sanchez and Wilson had great to good enough teams to succeed.

If you want stink QBs Hackenburg is the biggest stink and James Morgan was also a total fail.

Clemens and Geno did nothing for us at all

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