Flea Flicking Frank Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: Each of those players were drafted where they should have been, except for Zach. They just busted. It happens. With Zach, he should have had a 3rd round draft grade, just a ridiculous draft pick. That’s on Douglas. Thankfully he’s hit some home runs since then. I don't think I saw one mock draft, or even player ranking for that draft that had ZW any lower than 12-15. 3rd round? What are you basing that on? Busts don't just happen... Finding a QB is not luck, its knowing what you are doing. Good coaches know how to identify, develop and game plan around their QB's strengths and put them in positions to succeed. We have had bad coaches who don't know how to do that. I don't believe in luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Clemens and Geno did nothing for us at all They have both had good NFL careers for 2nd round QBs, for the jets yes they were fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: They have both had good NFL careers for 2nd round QBs, for the jets yes they were fails. Case and point, when they went to teams with actual offensive coaches, they became something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 The vaunted Green Bay Packers of my youth didn't even play all of their home games at beloved Lambeau field and had their big qb 'hit' with Don Majkowski after sucking through most of the 80's until they beat us to getting Favre... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet hustle Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Clemens Sanchez Geno Darnold Wilson 5 consecutive 1st or 2nd round draft picks at the QB position without one success for the Jets. Has anyone else done this? You forgot hackenburg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodGreen Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Clemens Sanchez Geno Darnold Wilson 5 consecutive 1st or 2nd round draft picks at the QB position without one success for the Jets. Has anyone else done this? I think Pennington was a hit, unfortunately the shoulder injury derailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodGreen Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Geno and darnold are starting nfl quarterbacks though, is it a miss or just giving up prematurely ? Not sure I would classify Darnold as a “starting NFL quarterback “ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 We draft these guys then hand them starting jobs. Sanchez, Darnold and Zach were anointed the starter from day one. We had a solid veteran for Sam to sit behind in Bridgewater and we let him go. We should stop drafting QB’s for the time being. Only veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Many of us here wanted Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, BloodGreen said: I think Pennington was a hit, unfortunately the shoulder injury derailed it. Thats why I started at Clemens and not Pennington 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Averagejetsfan1421 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 9 hours ago, BloodGreen said: Not sure I would classify Darnold as a “starting NFL quarterback “ He’s starting Sunday, so he’s a nfl starting quarterback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 19 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Clemens Sanchez Geno Darnold Wilson 5 consecutive 1st or 2nd round draft picks at the QB position without one success for the Jets. Has anyone else done this? If you really want the stark reality the NYJ havent drafted a good QB in 40 years since Ken Obrien. A very good pro even with the Marino stigma attached. Yeah thats right no love for the Penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 18 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: Each of those players were drafted where they should have been, except for Zach. They just busted. It happens. With Zach, he should have had a 3rd round draft grade, just a ridiculous draft pick. That’s on Douglas. Thankfully he’s hit some home runs since then. The entire NFL had Wilson as a high first round draft pick. Stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 17 hours ago, Averagejetsfan1421 said: Geno and darnold are starting nfl quarterbacks though, is it a miss or just giving up prematurely ? Darnold was a 3rd string QB this year. He's only starting this week because Mayfield and Walker both were injured and did not perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 17 hours ago, Averagejetsfan1421 said: Geno and darnold are starting nfl quarterbacks though, is it a miss or just giving up prematurely ? And the Jets should have held on to Smith for 8 years waiting for him to mature??????? Please. The revisionist thinking by some on this board is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Kleckineau said: If you really want the stark reality the NYJ havent drafted a good QB in 40 years since Ken Obrien. A very good pro even with the Marino stigma attached. Yeah thats right no love for the Penny. Its probbaly true, and whats been the common denominator? Coaches who have zero idea of how to identify, develop and play to a QB's strengths. Its not luck that Andy Reid was an integral part of Favre, McNabb and Mahomes. Its not luck that Vermeil had Jawarski and then Kurt Warner. You want a good QB, get someone in the building who knows what the F they are doing at the QB position. Its that simple. For all the Saleh and LaFleur defense, those two slobbered all over ZW and got the guy they wanted. Then they played him when he wasnt ready, and they kept him in with horrible footwork and not a clue of what he was doing. Look at Gase, look at Rex, look at Bowles. None of these guys have a clue of the QB position. Yet everyones like well, were just unlucky. BS, luck has nothing to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Da Bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 13 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Amazing huh, Chiefs went all those years with bad QB draft/development, they bring in Andy Reid and boom, right away a hit. There is nothing random about getting a good QB. Good coaches know how to identify, develop, and call games to QB's strengths. Bad coaches don't. We have had bad QB's because we have had had bad coaches, its that simple Id say we’ve had serviceable QBs that we ignored. Under REX no QB could succeed. Imagine we drafted Gronk and not Kyle Wilson for Mark. Kept Braylon and Cotch and cut Holmes. But yes, to me, most important position on a team is GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Zach is not going anywhere. Hope you guys that are giddy he is benched go elsewhere when he becomes the guy again in just 3 games if not earlier. He will be the QB for all the big games at the end of the year like it or not. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 12:53 PM, Flea Flicking Frank said: Clemens Sanchez Geno Darnold Wilson 5 consecutive 1st or 2nd round draft picks at the QB position without one success for the Jets. Has anyone else done this? Geno was groomed by the Jets and is a potential MVP candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 2:59 PM, Saul Goodman said: Each of those players were drafted where they should have been, except for Zach. They just busted. It happens. With Zach, he should have had a 3rd round draft grade, just a ridiculous draft pick. That’s on Douglas. Thankfully he’s hit some home runs since then. Meh, hard disagree, Wilson is the only one of those guys w an elite skill set. He’s still a weak character kid w no set of balls. Will prob be good in 5-6 years if he gets another chance as a back up coming in for an injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: Geno was groomed by the Jets and is a potential MVP candidate what?? Jets had nothing to do with Geno as he is today, zero, zilch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: what?? Jets had nothing to do with Geno as he is today, zero, zilch sigh, I don't think there's any hope for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Yeah, it only took Geno 10+ yearsSent from my TFY-LX3 using TapatalkBut to be fair IF Darnold turns into something miraculous ... Then it cannot be denied that the possibility is there that it was too early ... As of now? Nah.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Yes. The Browns. They’ve failed so bad for so long they had to go buy a sexual predator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Yes. The Browns. They’ve failed so bad for so long they had to go buy a sexual predator. The current incarnation of the Browns have only been around since 1999. Yes, it's the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, peebag said: The current incarnation of the Browns have only been around since 1999. Yes, it's the Jets. Yeah. Ok. Go ask a Browns fans if they’ve only been suffering since 1999. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flea Flicking Frank Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: sigh, I don't think there's any hope for you. youre not the first to tell me that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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