doitny Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 28 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Zach was the worst QB in football. I'm tired of the low expectations. This team should be 5-2 down the stretch with Mike White. Jags, Lions and Bears - should easily win those ---- The Jets with the worst QB in football beat Buffalo and Miami. Sure they're on the road instead of home - but the Mike White upgrade should be (not for sure) but should be enough to push us over that hump. but see now you are assuming that Zach would be 5-2 in these last 7 games or why would it be a failure? wins are a team stat. the only way to judge this as a failure is on the personal stats of White and Wilson. if White has much better stats and we go 3-4 thats only a failure if you think Zach would have done better. but based on 20 games his stats say he wouldn't do better. there is no way its a failure no matter what the record is as long as White stats are better than Zachs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Look, I get it. All the variables aren't the same. None of the variables are the same. 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: But, as you stated Zach was the worst QB in all of football (except Pickett) I'm making an assumption and maybe it's presumptuous but I am going to make it - that Mike White won't be the 2nd worst QB in all of football...and assuming that's true... I wouldn't make that presumption yet. White has shown himself both fragile, and turnover prone. 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: The only way I see it is anything less than a 5-2 record would be a disappointment, at least to me it would be. That's all I'm saying. You're entitled your opinion, obviously. 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Now, I'm not suggesting it's a failure of a season if we don't, but my expectation is to at least match the W/L record of the 2nd worst QB in the league. QB's don't have records. Teams do. If MW was playing the exact same schedule/same rosters/same situations/same times/same support, maybe "expecting him to match the 2nd worst QB" might have some validity. We're not playing the Dolphins #3. Their #1 is the best QB in football in 2022. You know this, and you know why it's not the same. Come on, man. 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: The Jets should win 11 game this year. And surely be a threat in the playoffs. When you have to bench your starter at QB, there is no more "should". I hope MW doesn't suck (or get hurt again), but it's not a sure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, doitny said: but see now you are assuming that Zach would be 5-2 in these last 7 games or why would it be a failure? wins are a team stat. the only way to judge this as a failure is on the personal stats of White and Wilson. if White has much better stats and we go 3-4 thats only a failure if you think Zach would have done better. but based on 20 games his stats say he wouldn't do better. there is no way its a failure no matter what the record is as long as White stats are better than Zachs You keep wanting to make this about Zach v. Mike White. I'm not doing that - this isn't about how good Mike White is - this is about expectations of the Jets - not the QB. I would think if the Jets went 5-2 with the worst QB in football...they should be able to, at a minimum, accomplish that with a major upgrade at QB. NFL isn't out puffing your chest out for the QB you like. It's about winning games. We have a Super Bowl defense and with that D - they went 5-2 with the worst QB in the league - how/why should we expect less over the next 7 games? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted November 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: We have a Super Bowl defense and with that D - they went 5-2 with the worst QB in the league - how/why should we expect less over the next 7 games? look dude the coin says they lose this sunday and then win out, going to the AFC CG im suspecting Mike White gets hurt, Flacco finishes poorly vs CHI and then it's Chris Streveler to the promised land this whole coin thing is bigger than all of us submit yourself to the coin 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, bitonti said: look dude the coin says they lose this sunday and then win out, going to the AFC CG im suspecting Mike White gets hurt, Flacco finishes poorly vs CHI and then it's Chris Streveler to the promised land this whole coin thing is bigger than all of us submit yourself to the coin I totally would but I can’t stomach another AFC title game loss. the next one we make we need to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 7 games to go. It’s going to be wild ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, bitonti said: look dude the coin says they lose this sunday and then win out, going to the AFC CG im suspecting Mike White gets hurt, Flacco finishes poorly vs CHI and then it's Chris Streveler to the promised land this whole coin thing is bigger than all of us submit yourself to the coin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 12 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: https://www.nfl.com/standings/playoff-picture Sorry for the click bait but this time I was unable to copy paste this one. So we're in the 7th spot at the moment. I didn't see that coming at all!!! 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: The Jets should win 11 game this year. And surely be a threat in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 Just now, Larz said: 7 games to go. It’s going to be wild ! Alive and well post Thanksgiving. After this past decade I am sooo Thankful! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: You keep wanting to make this about Zach v. Mike White. I'm not doing that - this isn't about how good Mike White is - this is about expectations of the Jets - not the QB. I would think if the Jets went 5-2 with the worst QB in football...they should be able to, at a minimum, accomplish that with a major upgrade at QB. NFL isn't out puffing your chest out for the QB you like. It's about winning games. We have a Super Bowl defense and with that D - they went 5-2 with the worst QB in the league - how/why should we expect less over the next 7 games? if its not about the QB then why do you keep bringing up Zachs Record? as i said before its much tougher games than Zach faced at 5-2. but if we dont go to the playoffs it is a failure, on JD for not having a better QB than Zach or White on the roster. which he better take care of next year. i think White is an upgrade but it doesnt take much to beat the 35th QB in the league. White could be 29th and better than Zach but still not be good enough to beat 4 really good QBs on the road. it would be a team failure, not because they benched Zach for White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Warfish said: Will 9-8 get us in? I would think probably not. No way. 10 wins may not get them in because they lose tie breaker to New England and Cincy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 Can someone refresh my memory. Is this Bears game the first time all season that we are the favorite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 8 hours ago, RevisIsland610 said: No way. 10 wins may not get them in because they lose tie breaker to New England and Cincy. NE: Bills, @Cardinal, @Raiders, Bengals, Dolphins, @Bills 3-3 at Best 2-4 most likely Cincy: @Titans, Chiefs, Browns, @TB, @Pats, Bills, Ravens 4-3 with Jamaar Chase back Jets: Bears, @Vikings, @Bills, Lions, Jags, @Seattle, @Dolphins 3-4 or maybe 4-3 if offense clicks w/ White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 22 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: See! It WAS all Wilson’s fault!!! You’re hurting inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, GreenFish said: You’re hurting inside. You’re not? We blew the #2 overall pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 12 hours ago, Jetsfan4life90 said: He was 5-2, but hardly the reason they were 5-2. but it does not change the fact he was 5-2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 10 hours ago, doitny said: if its not about the QB then why do you keep bringing up Zachs Record? as i said before its much tougher games than Zach faced at 5-2. but if we dont go to the playoffs it is a failure, on JD for not having a better QB than Zach or White on the roster. which he better take care of next year. i think White is an upgrade but it doesnt take much to beat the 35th QB in the league. White could be 29th and better than Zach but still not be good enough to beat 4 really good QBs on the road. it would be a team failure, not because they benched Zach for White I bring up Zach's record because he was the worst QB in football and the "team" still managed to go 5-2. If you upgrade at QB - why should we expect anything less? This is about the team - not Mike White or Zach Wilson - this is about the New York Jets franchise. I'm not making an attempt to pit Mike White against Zach Wilson. Mike White can play well and the team still lose - no question...but that would be a disappointment to me. I want the team to win... I'm a fan of the NY Jets - and I see a team with an elite defense, OL help coming back, top WR coming back.. That team should surely match its record it had with a net negative at QB. I mean, maybe Mike White isn't very good, Maybe Zach Wilson had some key moments that helped the team, maybe the defense isn't as good as we think? There could be a lot of reasons why they don't go 5-2.. But for me, I believe Mike White is an upgrade, the defense is as good as advertised...so 5-2 is my expectation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 5 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: You’re not? We blew the #2 overall pick No, I’m not. We have the right GM and HC. And we have a young talented team. I believe we will get a quality vet in the offseason. For this year, I still think we make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 10:44 AM, LIJetsFan said: https://www.nfl.com/standings/playoff-picture Sorry for the click bait but this time I was unable to copy paste this one. So we're in the 7th spot at the moment. I didn't see that coming at all!!! Great thread. Go Titans. Go Chargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 8 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: Can someone refresh my memory. Is this Bears game the first time all season that we are the favorite? It feels that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facts Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 10:51 AM, Augustiniak said: Home games vs bears lions and jags, win all 3 that’s 9 wins. That’s how you make the playoffs. I doubt we are better than 1-2 in those 3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 3:19 PM, Saul Goodman said: 4-4 the rest of the way gets us in ? No. 4-4 the rest of the way gets us out in the first round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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