bonkertons Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 In my mind, if we move on from Wilson this upcoming offseason, he's going to be cut. The thought of him having any trade value at all based on what he's displayed thus far seemed ridiculous. However I've seen a bunch of posts elsewhere about "trading him" so I figured I'd see if I'm completely wrong on this. Is the fact that he's still a former 2nd overall not even 2 years removed from the draft give him SOME value? Darnold got us a 6th and a future 2nd and 4th. He was also older(in the league longer) than Wilson when he was traded, so IMO it was more clear as to what Darnold was at that point. However, Darnold had shown some flashes of being a franchise QB in his time here, whereas I can't remember Wilson really having any games like that. Does Wilson bring anything back? A late pick? A 2nd or 3rd? Nothing? Or does it 100% depend on some other coaching staff going to their front office and saying "if you get this kid I can turn him into an elite QB"? 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetspenguin Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 too far 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Next question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 If you’re very lucky you might get Josh Rosen. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Wilson definitely has trade value. 22 years old and only 20 games in the league, some team would take a chance. Probably would be some kind of conditional pic and may be another mid to late round pick. He’s been so bad that I don’t even think we would get a 2nd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, bonkertons said: In my mind, if we move on from Wilson this upcoming offseason, he's going to be cut. The thought of him having any trade value at all based on what he's displayed thus far seemed ridiculous. However I've seen a bunch of posts elsewhere about "trading him" so I figured I'd see if I'm completely wrong on this. Is the fact that he's still a former 2nd overall not even 2 years removed from the draft give him SOME value? Darnold got us a 6th and a future 2nd and 4th. He was also older(in the league longer) than Wilson when he was traded, so IMO it was more clear as to what Darnold was at that point. However, Darnold had shown some flashes of being a franchise QB in his time here, whereas I can't remember Wilson really having any games like that. Does Wilson bring anything back? A late pick? A 2nd or 3rd? Nothing? Or does it 100% depend on some other coaching staff going to their front office and saying "if you get this kid I can turn him into an elite QB"? Premature evaluation, bro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dax89 Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 Considering we don't know if we have a real long term answer at QB (no Mike White hasn't yet earned that distinction) trading away a 22 year old QB with 2 years left on his rookie contract for 3rd round pick would be the hight of stupidity. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GreenFish Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 We got a 2nd plus for Darnold. But that was when everyone thought no QB could play well for the Jets giving the situation. The Jets now have good coaching and an excellent supporting cast. So, nobody is thinking "let's just get him off the Jets and he will do well". I think he's trade value is a 4th round pick right now. Especially if Mike White continues to play well. I personally don't think Joe D trades him. I think we get a veteran in the offseason and Zach is the #3 QB. If Mike White continues to do his thing, that veteran will be more of a high end backup (i.e., Teddy Bridgewater). If Mike White doesn't continue to grab the bull by the horns, then we will likely get a starter level QB (i.e., Jimmy G). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 By this logic .. the right question might be White's trade value. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe W. Namath Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 He is under contract for another 2 years. We will keep him for at least that long and try to develop him. You dont just cut players with Zach Wilsons talent because they are struggling. This is what a good team does. You take the time to develop your players. You dont cut them just because they arent good early in their careers. That is not what we are about. We invested in Zach Wilson and we have 2 1/2 more years to get a return on that. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usapaw Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 yeah, we're not doing that yet. https://overthecap.com/player/zach-wilson/9466 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Douglas is not dumb he will do nothing rash. We do not have to make a end game declension on wilson for what 2 years at least? He will not get good offers and before all is said and done he may get another shot. Hopefully not for a while but no need to dump him for terrible value and they are not cutting him. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Douglas is not dumb he will do nothing rash. We do not have to make a end game declension on wilson for what 2 years at least? He will not get good offers and before all is said and done he may get another shot. Hopefully not for a while but no need to dump him for terrible value and they are not cutting him. Curious.... why hopefully not for a long time ? I would assume he will only get his next chance when he has proven to the coaching staff that he has made massive strides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbstern Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Mike White has to prove he can consistently win against different defenses before he's an NFL starter. I love what I see, but it's very early. Zach Wilson still has tremendous potential as an NFL QB, but it's clear he has to be fixed. Jets need a QB whisperer to completely break him down. Start that process right now. Next training camp, he competes for the starting spot with whoever else is on the roster. If Mike White has has at least an average run for the remaining games, we have the luxury of not needing a QB in the draft after getting a false start from Wilson, and can once again go after other areas of need, or based on how well all of the units are playing, best available players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Better play is to sit him for 2 years so people forget how much he sucks and let someone take a flier on him when he's 24. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Some really good stuff here from Jet fans. Love that most of us are on the same page. Take the next 2 1/2 years to develop this kid. He doesnt get handed any more jobs, but if he improves, competes and earns it, then good for him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, bonkertons said: In my mind, if we move on from Wilson this upcoming offseason, he's going to be cut. Dude. It’s been 30 seconds since he was demoted. We’ll see how he shows up next offseason in training camp. “Watch and learn” works for some. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBJ Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: He is under contract for another 2 years. We will keep him for at least that long and try to develop him. You dont just cut players with Zach Wilsons talent because they are struggling. This is what a good team does. You take the time to develop your players. You dont cut them just because they arent good early in their careers. That is not what we are about. We invested in Zach Wilson and we have 2 1/2 more years to get a return on that. Good teams don't waste top 2 picks on players that need to be developed in year 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 There’s probably a team out there that would give a late 2nd round pick for him. The first thing they would do is look at their schedule to see if they play the New England Patriots in the next year or two before making that trade. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Some really good stuff here from Jet fans. Love that most of us are on the same page. Take the next 2 1/2 years to develop this kid. He doesnt get handed any more jobs, but if he improves, competes and earns it, then good for him. It's time for JD to acknowledge his mistake and move on from this mega bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Curious.... why hopefully not for a long time ? I would assume he will only get his next chance when he has proven to the coaching staff that he has made massive strides. Not for a long time means white is playing great and not injured. That is what i meant by not for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 minute ago, TBJ said: Good teams don't waste top 2 picks on players that need to be developed in year 3. So...now you're questioning the guy that in 1 year has transformed the NYJ roster. On both sides of the ball, sans Wilson even. Lovely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 hours ago, bonkertons said: In my mind, if we move on from Wilson this upcoming offseason, he's going to be cut. Nope. He's still a prospect, if quite a bit shabbier of one than the day we drafted him. Let him sit, let him learn, we got plenty of time still. If he doesn't get better, toss him aside when the times comes to execute the 5th year option. No reason to be reactionary now. And I say this as a Zach doubter from day 1. Flacco must be gone for 2023, so we have room both both White/Wilson and another QB to be named later as needed/desired. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBJ Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 minute ago, greenwave81 said: So...now you're questioning the guy that in 1 year has transformed the NYJ roster. On both sides of the ball, sans Wilson even. Lovely. No, but Wilson was a horrible pick at #2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Alex, I’ll take “ what is dick?” For $800! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 This has nothing to do with White...it's literally just a question of whether or not Wilson has trade value. Really no deeper meaning than that. Figured here would be a better place to debate it than in the YouTube comments or some random Twitter thread. But yeah, whether it's White or another QB in the offseason, I've seen enough of Wilson. I get some haven't. I don't know if the Jets will keep him, and if they do I hope it works out and he becomes "the guy". Still, regardless of what they do it's irrelevant to what the purpose of this thread was intended to be.....DOES HE HAVE TRADE VALUE? If so, what is it? This isn't a "let's get rid of Zach Wilson right now" thread. My apologies if it was interpreted that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bronx said: It's time for JD to acknowledge his mistake and move on from this mega bust. And Im sure when it is financially and team realistic to do so he will. As it is, Flacco ain't going to be here next year so there's already a slot for another QB participant anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 minute ago, TBJ said: No, but Wilson was a horrible pick at #2. See the forest for the trees man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Just now, greenwave81 said: And Im sure when it is financially and team realistic to do so he will. As it is, Flacco ain't going to be here next year so there's already a slot for another QB participant anyway. Backup at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBJ Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Just now, greenwave81 said: See the forest for the trees man. Horrible pick at #2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Bronx said: Backup at best. Perhaps, and probably at this point. But he's on a cost certain contract for another 3 years....so...lets see if he can figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, bonkertons said: In my mind, if we move on from Wilson this upcoming offseason, he's going to be cut. The thought of him having any trade value at all based on what he's displayed thus far seemed ridiculous. However I've seen a bunch of posts elsewhere about "trading him" so I figured I'd see if I'm completely wrong on this. Is the fact that he's still a former 2nd overall not even 2 years removed from the draft give him SOME value? Darnold got us a 6th and a future 2nd and 4th. He was also older(in the league longer) than Wilson when he was traded, so IMO it was more clear as to what Darnold was at that point. However, Darnold had shown some flashes of being a franchise QB in his time here, whereas I can't remember Wilson really having any games like that. Does Wilson bring anything back? A late pick? A 2nd or 3rd? Nothing? Or does it 100% depend on some other coaching staff going to their front office and saying "if you get this kid I can turn him into an elite QB"? Wilson is not worth trading unless he's a cancer. We'd get hit with a massive dead cap hit so we would have to get a pick that is far better than hes worth. Stash him, hope he learns and have insurance on the bench. He could get move midway through or often the 2023 season though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I’d rather slam my d**k in a car door than talk about ZW trades today. Enjoy this win, guys. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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