Robert Saleh: Mike White's huge game hasn't altered Jets' QB plan

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

It aint Saleh.  It is JD.  He is the one that was forcing Dennis The Menace on Saleh.  It looks very much like Saleh went to Woody in order to break the deadlock.  The press meeting that was 2 hours late was a result of JD and Selah waiting for Woody to get there.  The locker room was in near revolt and Saleh could not over rule JD without Woody.  And, if the owner shows up to a meeting, you *know* he is the one that gets the last word.

JD drew all aces in this last draft, but he totally messed up with Becton and ZW picks and he does not want to admit and move on.

Saleh is not to blame for Dennis The Menace.  It was JD.  Saleh went to bat and called in Woody

This is complete speculation.  We have no idea.

Though I'll say this.  I don't think Saleh is giving us "coach-speak" when he says he'll bring back Zach when he's ready.  

[Lith]

1 hour ago, Sammybighead said:

Seriously calm down guys. He NEEDS to say that. Just like he needed to say benching zach was the furthest thing from his mind and then benched him 3 days later. 

If white continues to have success, zach is not getting back this year.

This.  Don't listen to what coaches say, watch what they do.  As long as White plays well and the team is fighting for a playoff spot, I expect him to play.  If Saleh does end up going back to Zach despite White playing well and the team still in playoff contention, I will lead the pitchfork brigade to Florham Park. 

I just don't think that happens.

[THE BARON]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

This is complete speculation.  We have no idea.

Though I'll say this.  I don't think Saleh is giving us "coach-speak" when he says he'll bring back Zach when he's ready.  

This is a lot more than speculation... Do you think Woody would have left that meeting unless he got his way ??? 

[TuscanyTile2]

JD to Robert Saleh: "You gotta go back".

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

WT freak, is this Joe Douglas ego-driven?

What does Mike White need to do earn even 1/10 of the leash they are dying to give ZW?

 

If Saleh goes back to Zach, Zach better come in and light it up or Saleh is going to look like an idiot

 If he comes back and throws for 150 and no TDs, he is going to look really bad. 

[carlito1171]

One day you guys will stop taking coaches words in front of the media too seriously LOL....

You can't go back to Wilson right now after how White played last game and rejuvenated the offense, he's starting unless (or until depending on your perception) Mikey boy collapses and has a bad outing or two. At that point you go back to Zach. If he doesn't have that fall off the cliff outing he's gonna be the starter for the duration of our season...

There's no way a defensive coach that already said he just needs the offense to "do enough" doesn't ride the hot hand if Mike White still keeps this up. Saleh has a funny way of approaching "coachspeak" in front of the cameras, but all you have to do is look at their actions.....

The FO and CS still value Zach and don't want to kill his confidence in the media, they just want him to work on what he needs to work on quietly...

[doitny]

27 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

With Saleh's comments about "rolling with ZW when he's ready" (whatever he said) I get the feeling they're going to let MW hit FA and he'll end up elsewhere next season.

Depressing to hear but that's where I think this is headed.

and that will get him fired if Zach sucks again next year and White plays well on his new team.

[carlito1171]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Second thread confusing PR with reality. 
Mike White starts as long as he plays like he did last Sunday.

They still want to develop their 2nd overall pick or don’t want to publicly shlt on a player that they might want to trade for assets 

You'd think people would get this by now! LOL 

Emotions in the way of reality 

[Sammybighead]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

The other 52 already have a large body of evidence telling them who the better QB is. That isn’t going to change in the next two weeks

Agreed. Zachs issues will be hard pressed to fix in a few weeks during the season. I feel like he needs to rebuild himself this offseason. He'll have another shot to fight for the job next season.

[Paradis]

9 hours ago, Arsis said:

If Zack Wilson plays again this year Woody should fire. Saleh

he also said sunday after NE that a QB switch was the furthest thing from his mind.... and by furthest, he meant 12 hours. 

Q: how do you handle a man-baby?

A: baby steps

If he said Zach, we'll see you in July, Wilson would likely check out for the remainder of the year, possibly off season too. So, tell him what he needs to hear, keep him engaged and working.

Barring an injury or playoff elimination - you will NOT see ZW on sunday again this year. The locker room has spoken.

[Biggs]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I will never be convinced that there isn’t some larger deal in place to protect and preserve Zach Wilson’s tender ego. There’s no way a coach compromises himself or his program like this for a player who is so unquestionably terrible—in all facets—otherwise.

They didn't give up on Mims and haven't given up on Becton either.   I think they believe in their draft picks and in this case there is no reason to throw him out.  They own him and his cap hit for 2 more years.  

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, THE BARON said:

It aint Saleh.  It is JD.  He is the one that was forcing Dennis The Menace on Saleh.  It looks very much like Saleh went to Woody in order to break the deadlock.  The press meeting that was 2 hours late was a result of JD and Selah waiting for Woody to get there.  The locker room was in near revolt and Saleh could not over rule JD without Woody.  And, if the owner shows up to a meeting, you *know* he is the one that gets the last word.

JD drew all aces in this last draft, but he totally messed up with Becton and ZW picks and he does not want to admit and move on.

Saleh is not to blame for Dennis The Menace.  It was JD.  Saleh went to bat and called in Woody

Where did you get this from?  
Every player move or non move isn’t a three part Watergate like conspiracy.  
If any of this were close to being true Zach would have played against the weak Bears D to make him look good instead of being undressed for the nation to see. 
JD has nothing to be ashamed of and hasnt a worry about his job.  Not even close

[BroadwayJoe12]

The only way Wilson plays again is if White gets injured or falls completely on his face. How are they going to know if he's ready to roll? Dominating as the scout team Kirk Cousin and without any reps with the 1st team offense? Doubtful. Still don't like him coddling Zach and underselling Mike's achievements in the presser. 

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Seriously calm down guys. He NEEDS to say that.

[THE BARON]

17 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Where did you get this from?  
Every player move or non move isn’t a three part Watergate like conspiracy.  
If any of this were close to being true Zach would have played against the weak Bears D to make him look good instead of being undressed for the nation to see. 
JD has nothing to be ashamed of and hasnt a worry about his job.  Not even close

Brilliant deductive reasoning on my part.  Sherlock Holmes would be proud. 

Fish is good brain food.  Have a tuna sammich and give it some more thought.  

[HessStation]

I get the philosophy…Saleh is a good coach. Everybody get bent.

[THE BARON]

26 minutes ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

The only way Wilson plays again is if White gets injured or falls completely on his face. How are they going to know if he's ready to roll? Dominating as the scout team Kirk Cousin and without any reps with the 1st team offense? Doubtful. Still don't like him coddling Zach and underselling Mike's achievements in the presser. 

JD will be pushing to get ZW back in the starting line-up and just waiting for MW to have a bad game so he can pounce.  I think JD has been great this last season, but he does not seem to want to admit defeat where ZW and Becton are concerned.  

And YES... I am speculating and with good circumstantial evidence that JD is the one shuving ZW up RS's and MLF's arse.  It is unrelenting pride of authorship in his draft picks. 

 

[Alentador31]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

By threatening the other 52 players with his return to QB1 if they lose a game

Man is playing chess.

[BigRy56]

Seems like a good coach pulling strings IMO

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, Biggs said:

They didn't give up on Mims and haven't given up on Becton either.   I think they believe in their draft picks and in this case there is no reason to throw him out.  They own him and his cap hit for 2 more years.  

No reason to not continue to develop Zach behind the scenes. He's worth more to the Jets next season as a guy who can come in and compete, and you never know, maybe the light suddenly turns on. 

And if something happens to Mike White in one of these games, we'll all be staring at him again, regardless. 

[MARTIN]

5 hours ago, JetBlue said:

Seriously, I really don't understand why some fans get all caught up in this.  Wilson was the 2nd pick in last year draft.  Saleh is going to allow White to build his value if he performs well and will either be resigned or will definitely get signed by another team for good money.  Either way it works out for Mike White.   

At the same time he has this young player that the organization bet the farm on and are not willing to totally give up on him.  They are realizing belatedly that Wilson was far from ready to start.  He has a lot of work to do on his mechanics if he is ever to do anything in this league.   Now he gets the chance to do just that.  Lets see if that will make a difference.   Just as Saleh stated it was Mike Whites play in practice that improved since the beginning of the season so that is why he was promoted to 2 and subsequently to 1. 

 Wilson will now have to prove in practice that he should even be considered to start another game.   He will need to get better at all aspects of his game but especially mechanics and tendency to lock onto one receiver.   He may never do it, but he will have the opportunity to work on his game really with no pressure.    Another factor is he will also be going up against our defense in practice and if that doesn't help him get better, nothing will.

Saleh is a smart coach and is not stupid enough to say anything that will lower the morale of the already demoralized Wilson.   There is no need to just to satisfy the blood lust of fans who hate Wilson or believe he can neve improve enough to be a quality starting quarterback.   I totally get it.  I just think that you always try and either maintain value or increase value of your assets.   If Wilson is no longer in the teams long term plans, then you want to try and keep his value as high as you can. 

Thanks for typing this out. 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Sounds like if white has 1 disaster of a start ZW will be back in the lineup, which is hilarious because ZW had about 20 starts in a row playing awful football. In no way shape or form should ZW see the field the rest of the season

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Wilson’s problems won’t get solved in 2-3 weeks. Not sure if he can ever fix his issues tbh. MW with his on field play has earned the right to remain the starter the rest of the season

[genot]

If Wilson has a fragile mind when facing pressure on the field. He might have a fragile mind,with regards to life in general. Depression can affect everyone. Bart Scott talked about Wilson not going into that dark corner. Perhaps some of Salehs comments are in a small part to keep Wilson from not going into that dark place

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

54 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

JD will be pushing to get ZW back in the starting line-up and just waiting for MW to have a bad game so he can pounce.  I think JD has been great this last season, but he does not seem to want to admit defeat where ZW and Becton are concerned.  

And YES... I am speculating and with good circumstantial evidence that JD is the one shuving ZW up RS's and MLF's arse.  It is unrelenting pride of authorship in his draft picks. 

 

I think you are pulling this completely out of your a$$. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Wilson’s problems won’t get solved in 2-3 weeks. Not sure if he can ever fix his issues tbh. MW with his on field play has earned the right to remain the starter the rest of the season

Let's just recap. He had one good game.  Better than any zachv Wilson game. 

But if he plays horrible the next couple of weeks I'm not sure why some of you think he can never be benched. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

6 hours ago, THE BARON said:

JD will be pushing to get ZW back in the starting line-up and just waiting for MW to have a bad game so he can pounce.  I think JD has been great this last season, but he does not seem to want to admit defeat where ZW and Becton are concerned.  

And YES... I am speculating and with good circumstantial evidence that JD is the one shuving ZW up RS's and MLF's arse.  It is unrelenting pride of authorship in his draft picks. 

 

Where are you (and others) getting this?  This is borderline absurd.  Saleh and the Jets have absolutely nothing to gain by naming White the starter for the remainder of the season publicly.  It is plain for all to see that White will start the remaining 6 games unless he craps the bed along the way or is injured.  But why say so publicly?  If most of you can't read tea leaves and understand coach press conference speak by now, I don't know what to say.  Wilson was demoted to inactive for all the world to see after Saleh said he would start the rest of the season.  There is no coddling here.  But there is no reason to discard Wilson now in case White does screw up and shows he is not the answer - or if White shows he is the answer in order to preserve some trade value for Wilson or keep him around as a back up.  There are a hundred and one reasons for why Saleh said what he said. The only reason to say otherwise is to satisfy some egos of those on this board who want to definitively say "I was right about Wilson" or "White."  And Saleh and JD do not give a crap about that crowd.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

This is what coaches do. There is no reason for Saleh to give definitive answers to reporters about anything. 

[Creepy Lurker]

I recently admitted that I was wrong about Saleh and willing to give him a chance and have more patience with his decisions. Everyone here can remember when he said that a “QB change was the furthest thing from his mind”. Then the correct thing happened soon after.
 

I will give Salad the benefit of the doubt and maybe he’s trying to keep Mike White level headed and hungry so he doesn’t get complacent/overconfident. If not, there is a serious issue with Bob Salad but he has earned the benefit of the doubt at this point. 

[Trotter]

The wildcard here is the locker room.

i do not believe it is speculation in any way that they are behind mike white and simply do not want to see Zach in there.

coaches can say what they want to the media but this is a unique situation.

barring  injury, saleh can’t go back to Zach without causing serious issue with the players.

seen plenty of qb controversies, challenges etc. but can’t say I have seen  one where the locker room is involved to this detail

[Jimmy 2 Times]

There's no way they pull White if he continues to play well.  This is about keeping Wilson working hard (which from all appearances he does anyway) and being ready if called upon.  White got hurt twice in three games last year so it wouldn't be crazy to think he might not last the season.  Wilson is then just one snap away from quarterbacking this team again.  

[JetsFanatic]

Calm down, what’s he supposed to say? Trust me Mike White would have to totally go off the rails not to start. As long he plays well it’s his job.

[tfine]

I don’t see the issue with this. If Mike White keeps playing well, he is the starter, but obviously want to leave the door open for Zach to work his way back to be the QB. Mike White played well against a terrible bears defense with two starters out. If he can win against Minn and Buffalo you keep him in.


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[Jet2020]

8 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Seriously calm down guys. He NEEDS to say that. Just like he needed to say benching zach was the furthest thing from his mind and then benched him 3 days later. 

If white continues to have success, zach is not getting back this year.

True…but the sky is falling you know. 

[THE BARON]

1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Where are you (and others) getting this?  This is borderline absurd.  Saleh and the Jets have absolutely nothing to gain by naming White the starter for the remainder of the season publicly.  It is plain for all to see that White will start the remaining 6 games unless he craps the bed along the way or is injured.  But why say so publicly?  If most of you can't read tea leaves and understand coach press conference speak by now, I don't know what to say.  Wilson was demoted to inactive for all the world to see after Saleh said he would start the rest of the season.  There is no coddling here.  But there is no reason to discard Wilson now in case White does screw up and shows he is not the answer - or if White shows he is the answer in order to preserve some trade value or keep him around as a back up.  There are a hundred and one reasons for why Saleh said what he said. The only reason to say otherwise is to satisfy some egos of those on this board who want to definitively say "I was right about Wilson" or "White."  And Saleh and JD do not give a crap about that crowd.

So your take is that Saleh is the one that had to be convinced by JD and Woody to sit Dennis The Menace ???