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10 hours ago, fullblast said:

Zach was about as non pro-ready as it gets for a first round pick. Horrific decision to just hand him the starting job day 1.

What made this far worse is not only did they throw him to wolves but they also did it while converting to zone blocking team and completely new offensive scheme with rookie coaches...it was arrogance on coaches part thinking they could do it all at once and learn from mistakes.  Whether Zach would have been good had he been brought into a stable environment like Mike White is now just speculation and we will never know.

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9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

This argument gets tiresome as a defense for sh*tty QBs.

These are QB's in the last 25 years who saw live bullets within the first 3 weeks of their rookie seasons, and it worked out fine for all of them:

  • Peyton Manning
  • Joe Burrow
  • Ben Roethlisberger
  • Matthew Stafford
  • Justin Herbert
  • Matt Ryan
  • Cam Newton
  • Joe Flacco
  • Ryan Tannehill
  • Derek Carr
  • Trevor Lawrence

And Josh Allen only sat the first 5 weeks of his rookie year.  Tua sat the first 6.

And before you attempt to negate the examples above that occurred a while ago, stop, and think about what you're doing.  The further back you go, the harder it was to play QB in this league.  It doesn't help your case.

Josh Allen sucked his first 2 years.smaller market teams give you time.not saying zac is a star he was not ready to play.

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7 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Mike White has been on an absolute merry go round as an NFL QB.  This kid is absolutely resilient.  He has persevered through numerous ups and downs, literally.  While this may lead some to question his talent, it obviously has strengthened his character.  He has that never give up mentality.  At first, I wasn't confident White could be the starting QB for the Jets long term. He had that great game against the Bengals but MC played such a huge role in it that it seemed to take some shine of the luster. But the game last Sunday against the Bears (even though they suck and have a garbage defense) he really showed me something. He spread the ball around to 10 different WR's.  He made some amazing throws in the tiniest of windows - and in the rain! He made his reads quickly and efficiently.  He stepped up into the pocket like - sorry - Brady - and was safe with the ball.  To me, this game was way more impressive than the game vs. the Bengals.  I started a thread to add a song to celebrate White's performance. One poster added - I'm A Believer. Could not have said it any better.


Dallas Cowboys

The Dallas Cowboys selected White in the fifth round (171st overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft. White was the eighth quarterback drafted in 2018.[19] He became the second Western Kentucky quarterback to be drafted into the NFL and surpassed Brandon Doughty (2016) as the highest drafted quarterback from Western Kentucky.

On May 12, 2018, the Dallas Cowboys signed White to a four-year, $2.67 million contract that included a signing bonus of $217,553.[21] He made the team as the third-string quarterback.

In 2019, he was given the opportunity to compete during the preseason for the backup job behind Dak Prescott. On August 31, White was waived after the team decided to carry just two quarterbacks on the regular season roster. The Cowboys opted not to add him to the practice squad, choosing instead to sign rookie quarterback Clayton Thorson.

New York Jets

On September 25, 2019, White was signed to the New York Jets practice squad. He signed a reserve/future contract with the Jets on December 30, 2019.[22]

On September 5, 2020, White was waived by the Jets and signed to the practice squad the next day.[23][24] He was promoted to the active roster on September 12, 2020.[25] He was waived on October 1, 2020,[26] and re-signed to the practice squad four days later.[27] He was elevated to the active roster on October 10 and October 17 for the team's weeks 5 and 6 games against the Arizona Cardinals and Miami Dolphins, and reverted to the practice squad after each game.[28][29] He was promoted to the active roster on November 9.[30] He was waived again on November 10,[31] and re-signed to the practice squad again the next day.[32] He was promoted to the active roster again on November 21.[33] He was waived again on November 23,[34] and re-signed to the practice squad again the next day.[35] He signed a reserve/future contract with the Jets on January 4, 2021.[36]

After an injury to starting quarterback Zach Wilson early in the 2nd quarter of a Week 7 matchup against the New England Patriots, White made his regular season debut. He immediately moved the Jets into the endzone with a touchdown pass to Corey Davis. Early in the 3rd quarter, he led another touchdown drive, but the Jets missed the two point conversion which would have made it a two score game. From there, the Patriots ran away with it as White finished the game with 202 passing yards, one touchdown, and 2 interceptions in the 54–13 loss.[37] With Wilson still injured, he made his first career start against the Cincinnati Bengals in Week 8. White briefly left due to a head injury but returned, finishing the game completing 37 of 45 passes for 405 yards, 3 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions as the Jets won 34–31. He was named the AFC Offensive Player of the Week for his performance.[38] He became the first Jets quarterback since Vinny Testaverde in 2000 to throw for 400+ yards and the first quarterback in the NFL to do so in his first career start since Cam Newton.[39]

On March 16, 2022, White re-signed with the Jets for one year and $2.54 million.[40]

White was announced as the Jets Week 12 starter against the Chicago Bears after Zach Wilson was benched on November 23, 2022.[41] White completed 22 of 28 passes for 315 yards, with three touchdowns and no interceptions, in the Jets' 31-10 win.

Very impressive. Young man.franchise yet to see can hope.he is definitely a # 2 in any team

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13 hours ago, Jim dean said:

Mike White got years of experience  all rookie QB's used to get.Now they are thrown to the wolves because money rules.vvery few QB's get that opportunity.all should..pro ball is so different.

Yes he did. 

Its the life of high draft picks and the salary structure. Teams feel pressure to throw these guys to the wolves day 1 to maximize the return on their top 5 draft picks' first contract. 

Its not the right approach, IMO, but it is what it is, and many teams do it. Some guys make it, and thrive, some guys have initial bumps in the road that first year (Allen, Tua) and then figure it out. Some guys struggle and flop.

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11 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Yea there just aren’t that many guys who ball right away and some of the best QBs ever sat for a considerable amount of time 

Guys like Marino, Herbert, and Burrow are rare 

It also depends on how much they played in college.

Marino played in 48 college games, threw 1200+ passes

Peyton played in 45, with 1300+ passes

Wilson did 30 games, with 800 passes.

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28 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said:

White doesn't have years of experience he's started 4 career games

But he has years of experience in the league, including five years of scout team, practice time, and NFL training camps. He didn't start his first NFL game until year 4. 

I also think this could be particularly important for guys who come from small schools (e.g. BYU, Western Kentucky, etc.), where the speed of the game is night and day different from  the NFL. It's likely that many of these guys are not ready to play right away. Of course, that probably means they shouldn't be first round picks to begin with. 

I'd be curious to see an analysis on whether there is a correlation between time on the bench before starting a game and QB success. It's tricky because, in recent years, more and more guys play right away. 


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30 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I'd be curious to see an analysis on whether there is a correlation between time on the bench before starting a game and QB success. It's tricky because, in recent years, more and more guys play right away. 

Working on it.  There's been way too many threads on this silly subject, lol.

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13 hours ago, fastmover said:

Yeah I’m lost trying to grasp what your point is.  
let’s think about what you said. 

25 years time sample 

32 starting Qb’s in the league for each year

25 x 32=  800 starting Qb’s positions were available in your time sample. 

you list 12 Qb’s

so, is the point being made by you, that success for rookie Qb’s is more common now, or is it actually less common?  

So, what is the point you’re trying to make?

I feel a counterpoint of probably just as many Qb’s  that had success a many years after their rookie season could be made, and to the larger majority, that the successful FQB is a small percentage, which everyone already knows  

Semper Fi. 

Agreed. There are far more Akili Smith's than Matthew Staffords.

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