Mike White Contract

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

The best part about Mike White potentially establishing himself as our franchise QB (hypothetical I know) is that we would be able to sign him to a very friendly cap number for a QB.

Short of him going on just an insane run from here on out, there's no way he is going to command a huge contract. 

Well it won't be $45-50MM/year, I'll agree with you there. But it depends on your definition of a "very friendly cap number" -- if you're hoping for $8-10MM you're in for a disappointment. Not unless he's looking a lot shakier in the upcoming games, in which case you're not thinking of him as the franchise QB anyhow. 

If he's good enough for him to establish himself as a franchise QB - in your words - then he's going to cost plenty. The reason is if the Jets won't pay him like that then someone else will.

Right now JD would be bidding against himself, and coming off a huge game or two is the worst time to get a deal done.

Also consider there's such a thing as too good of a deal (especially after a rookie contract's up). Then the player just holds out at the time that inflicts the most pain upon the organization; that's the player's leverage.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

It's a better use of funds than the 35 Zach got 

 

You may be right here (if White plays lights-out the rest of the way & into the playoffs).

Part of the team-tax for not extending him early - and also avoiding risk by not getting locked in too early with a huge contract the team soon regrets - is to pay an extra $5MM or so for the franchise tag to see if he can do it again.

It's not nothing, but it's a lot better than fully guaranteeing a QB $70MM or more, only to find out he just got hot at the right time. Also hard to discount he hasn't exactly been the most durable, so that may be the way to go, and then there's plenty of time to reach a longer term agreement without the start of FA as the deadline to outbid everyone.

OR just wait until FA and be the top bidder, whatever that ends up being (plus another 5-10% more if the otherwise-highest bidder is a no/low income tax state, or closer to home, or just where the weather isn't disgusting every winter, so there's that risk as well & why teams do just use the tag).

[Jimmy 2 Times]

Offer him current Flacco money now for next year.  How good will he be if he’s playing with an inferior team because he’s making too much? 

[batman10023]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

If JD does that, and we lose either game with Zach in the middle of a playoff run, IMO JD's tenure in NY would be over.

100% 

 

[GreenFish]

I cant see him getting anything more than a 2 year deal.

If he continues to play great and balls out in the playoffs, I think the max would be 2yrs $20M/YR. With the understanding that it’s his job.

Likely contract is 2yrs $10/yr with the opportunity win the starting job. 

[batman10023]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

It's a better use of funds than the 35 Zach got 

 

you do realize one is for a year and the other is for 4 years right?

[ScarletKnight89]

57 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well it won't be $45-50MM/year, I'll agree with you there. But it depends on your definition of a "very friendly cap number" -- if you're hoping for $8-10MM you're in for a disappointment. Not unless he's looking a lot shakier in the upcoming games, in which case you're not thinking of him as the franchise QB anyhow. 

If he's good enough for him to establish himself as a franchise QB - in your words - then he's going to cost plenty. The reason is if the Jets won't pay him like that then someone else will.

Right now JD would be bidding against himself, and coming off a huge game or two is the worst time to get a deal done.

Also consider there's such a thing as too good of a deal (especially after a rookie contract's up). Then the player just holds out at the time that inflicts the most pain upon the organization; that's the player's leverage.

I was thinking $20 million per year at most which I consider cap friendly for a QB. But you are right about someone else being willing to pay him if the Jets aren't. At the end of the day he's got to first show he can be the guy. If he does, I think the Jets will have to meet his price. 

I just can't imagine given the limited amount he will have played heading into this off season, that somebody will break the bank for him. But you never know.

[HighPitch]

4 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

The best part about Mike White potentially establishing himself as our franchise QB (hypothetical I know) is that we would be able to sign him to a very friendly cap number for a QB.

Short of him going on just an insane run from here on out, there's no way he is going to command a huge contract. 

whaT DO you base this odd premise off of?

[HighPitch]

The only good thing here is this it seems like MFW LIKES it here with us. So as long as the bean counters match whatever anyone else would offer I think he stays a jet.

 

Not for nothing but qb1 of the NY jets has suddenly become a very, very attractive job

[SickJetFan]

5 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Agree with everything, but SOJ.  JD flopped with Becton and Zach Wilson, but everything else has been a grand slam.  I'm on record here suggesting that JD is the one that wanted to stick with Zach Wilson this season, but I'm actually confident he'll take care of QB in the off season as well as making even more improvements to an already very good young roster.  Not really possible to foresee how things will play out, but at this moment, considering where the Jets are probably going to be drafting, I'm already looking at Will Levis and especially Tanner McKee as potential 1st round or early 2nd round QB picks for us.  The other way to go would be opening up the check book for a vet and I prefer Jimmy G to Carr.   I don't expect Mike White or Zach Wilson to be a consideration for starting QB in 2023, although, I am all but positive Zach Wilson will be on the roster next year.  It seems that JD will never give up on an early daft pick until their rookie contract is over regardless of how bad they have been.  IE, Wilson, Becton.

im looking at Bo Nix too as well as those others u mention - think he be a good sit for year dev candidate no matter what they do

[Larz]

Oh man if MW gets a huge deal he’s going straight to “for what he’s making “ hell lol 

[static14]

If White turns out to be our guy (fingers crossed) you just have to trust in JD. 

[Bleedin Green]

This is really not something to worry about right now.

I'm sure the Jets will be more than happy to pay him whatever he wants after he hoists up the Lombardi in a couple of months.

[Greensleeves]

6 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Agree with everything, but SOJ.  JD flopped with Becton and Zach Wilson, but everything else has been a grand slam.  I'm on record here suggesting that JD is the one that wanted to stick with Zach Wilson this season, but I'm actually confident he'll take care of QB in the off season as well as making even more improvements to an already very good young roster.  Not really possible to foresee how things will play out, but at this moment, considering where the Jets are probably going to be drafting, I'm already looking at Will Levis and especially Tanner McKee as potential 1st round or early 2nd round QB picks for us.  The other way to go would be opening up the check book for a vet and I prefer Jimmy G to Carr.   I don't expect Mike White or Zach Wilson to be a consideration for starting QB in 2023, although, I am all but positive Zach Wilson will be on the roster next year.  It seems that JD will never give up on an early daft pick until their rookie contract is over regardless of how bad they have been.  IE, Wilson, Becton.

Except this team is supposed to be built for sustained success. No retread QBs to ruin everything. Mike White or Zach should be plenty. 

[OCCH23]

6 hours ago, chirorob said:

That's the thing.   When Jimmy G had just a few good games, he was franchise tagged and got over 20 million per

Not the most accurate comparison.

Jimmy G was a 2nd round pick who played 6 games in 2014 (QBR 101.2) and 6 games in 2016 (QBR 113.3) and was 26 when traded (2 years younger than MW would be).

IMO White would have to do more than "have a few good games" to garner the attention/excitement Jimmy G did . . .

[jetstream23]

8 hours ago, chirorob said:

Mike White goes off this December and leads the Jets into the playoffs, it'll cost 25-30 million easy to bring him back next year.

 

[VJphillyfan]

Franchise tag him for a year if he keeps putting up numbers like he did on Sunday. Otherwise, someone will offer him a $100 million contract and it won’t be us

 

Exact thing happened with Jimmy G

[VJphillyfan]

13 hours ago, OCCH23 said:

Not the most accurate comparison.

Jimmy G was a 2nd round pick who played 6 games in 2014 (QBR 101.2) and 6 games in 2016 (QBR 113.3) and was 26 when traded (2 years younger than MW would be).

IMO White would have to do more than "have a few good games" to garner the attention/excitement Jimmy G did . . .

And if white starts rest of the way he will have 6 starts this year plus a win over the Super Bowl bengals last year.  I agree with you

[Warfish]

20 hours ago, FootballLove said:

If MfW balls out and we make the POs, it shows JoeD two things:

1) MfW is a good QB

2) Any competent QB can lead the Jets with Breese Hall, a great stable of WRs, and a top Defense.

So if MfW prices himself out of the Jets job, JD can bring in any 'good vet' to compete with Zack and the Jets are probably just fine. Heineke is an interesting suggestion. He's the 'Skins Mike White with a few more games. That QB who's been filling in for the Browns is another good possibility. Heck, even Sam Darnold could probably lead the Jets to the POs next season.

MfW might get his bag of cash next year, but it won't be from JD.

Heineke is not interesting at all. 

[bitonti]

On 12/2/2022 at 2:01 PM, batman10023 said:

you do realize one is for a year and the other is for 4 years right?

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing 

 

[LionelRichie]

On 12/2/2022 at 1:45 PM, Sperm Edwards said:

You may be right here (if White plays lights-out the rest of the way & into the playoffs).

Part of the team-tax for not extending him early - and also avoiding risk by not getting locked in too early with a huge contract the team soon regrets - is to pay an extra $5MM or so for the franchise tag to see if he can do it again.

It's not nothing, but it's a lot better than fully guaranteeing a QB $70MM or more, only to find out he just got hot at the right time. Also hard to discount he hasn't exactly been the most durable, so that may be the way to go, and then there's plenty of time to reach a longer term agreement without the start of FA as the deadline to outbid everyone.

OR just wait until FA and be the top bidder, whatever that ends up being (plus another 5-10% more if the otherwise-highest bidder is a no/low income tax state, or closer to home, or just where the weather isn't disgusting every winter, so there's that risk as well & why teams do just use the tag).

MFW is going to be one of the most interesting contracts this off season.  Even though he’s a late rd pick I see him similar to a guy like Tannehill, mariota or wentz in terms of contract.   The next question is who is going to be interested outside of the jets?    Do you really see the Colts, Texans, Panthers, or Manders going all in on Mike White?    
I think if JD offers starter $ with a promise that the best QB plays he stays a Jet on an affordable 1-2 year deal.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

On 12/2/2022 at 6:40 AM, chirorob said:

As we all know, he is an UFA after this season.

If he has a great final month, I was trying to see what he might get paid.  The only comp I could find was Jimmy G, after his great few games with the Pats back in 2016.  He parlayed that into getting the franchise tag, traded to the 49ers, and signing a contract averaging over 20 million a year. 

Mike White goes off this December and leads the Jets into the playoffs, it'll cost 25-30 million easy to bring him back next year.

Whatever the money as long as it's middle of the pack range let's go. Maybe 1 year prove it? l

[doitny]

On 12/2/2022 at 11:54 AM, THE BARON said:

Not sure of MW needs to be developed.  He's already there.  Wilson was the developmental project that never got needed training.  I could be wrong, but MW is probably best in the role of a back-up QB.  

As far as the Vikes and Beefalo.  I don't know how White will play, but if he does play well, I am very much expecting the Jets to win both games.  If he cant cut it, the Jets will lose both games.  Vikes can put up points even on the Jets.  More points than Buffalo will score on them.  The Jets will need a lot of yardage and big plays from White to best the Vikes and they will need efficiency vs. Beefalo.

Anyone that reads my posts knows that I'm not a Jets fan-boy, but right now, other than the question mark at QB, the Jets are a really good team.  And they are not even peaking on offense yet.  

im pretty confident that no matter what happens the next 2 games, we wont be saying we wish Zach Wilson was playing.

[TuscanyTile2]

16 hours ago, VJphillyfan said:

Franchise tag him for a year if he keeps putting up numbers like he did on Sunday. Otherwise, someone will offer him a $100 million contract and it won’t be us

 

Exact thing happened with Jimmy G

IIRC, the 49ers traded a 2nd rounder for Jimmy G.  Then he went 5-0 and they offered him a gigantic contract.  I don't think they were competing against some other team for him though.

[TommyT]

No team would pay 25-30 million for White regardless what he does. The Jets would be bidding against themselves.

[TuscanyTile2]

On 12/2/2022 at 3:30 PM, HighPitch said:

The only good thing here is this it seems like MFW LIKES it here with us. So as long as the bean counters match whatever anyone else would offer I think he stays a jet.

Not for nothing but qb1 of the NY jets has suddenly become a very, very attractive job

I do think MFW likes it here but there's no way he's passing up big money to stay here (nor should he).

Quote

Not for nothing but qb1 of the NY jets has suddenly become a very, very attractive job

Agreed.  I think that also applies for HC1 here (though Saleh isn't going anywhere).  It's nice that we're FINALLY a destination that players will see as desirable.  And I don't think we're done improving our position this year.  I think we're taking Minnesota down today and we'll see about next week in Buffalo.