UPDATED PLAYOFF PICTURE POST PATS LOSS

[heymangold]

1 hour ago, jbt said:

it will come down to Jets, Chargers and Pats for last spot

Jets - Vikes, Bills, Lions, Jags, Seahwaks, Dolphins

Chargers - Raiders, Dolphins, Titans, Colts, Rams, Broncos

Pats - Cardinals, Raiders, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills

 

Jets: 4-2
Chargers: 3-3
Pats: 2-3

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, bonkertons said:

You'd think, unless of course the Pats win out.  Hard to see that happening though considering they still play the Bengals, Dolphins, and the Bills once again.

 

10-7 should guarantee us finishing ahead of the Pats.  That would mean the Pats have to lose 2 more games, which considering their schedule it seems pretty likely.  I'm personally hoping for 11-6 though.  Really hoping we win at least one of these next two.  

Several national sport shows this morning were saying only reason Pats were still alive was because of Zach Wilson.

Maybe, we have put that mistake behind us for good.

[Green Ghost]

9 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Just for clarification purposes before I answer is "we're" refering to you specifically or you and other posters?  

 

[THE BARON]

43 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

you are insane with your Zach hatred.

Zach has only lost 2 games this year, so not sure how you are coming up with the "winning three games they lost"

 

Yes.  Joe F gets credit for one of those. Regardless, Wilson has been and is worse than awful.  

[THE BARON]

44 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Two games

Yes... My bad.   

[batman10023]

5 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Yes.  Joe F gets credit for one of those. Regardless, Wilson has been and is worse than awful.  

it's done, move on from zach.

[TuscanyTile2]

11 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

Several national sport shows this morning were saying only reason Pats were still alive was because of Zach Wilson.

Maybe, we have put that mistake behind us for good.

Sadly, the 2 wins that ZW was most responsible for were both for the Pats.

[Greensleeves]

1 hour ago, bonkertons said:

You'd think, unless of course the Pats win out.  Hard to see that happening though considering they still play the Bengals, Dolphins, and the Bills once again.

 

10-7 should guarantee us finishing ahead of the Pats.  That would mean the Pats have to lose 2 more games, which considering their schedule it seems pretty likely.  I'm personally hoping for 11-6 though.  Really hoping we win at least one of these next two.  

 

1 hour ago, Green Ghost said:

Even at 7-6, we can get to 10 by beating the Jags and Lions at home, or Seattle on the road (which would be tough).

This would set up the last game in Miami as a likely win and in for us, maybe Miami also depending on how they do on this upcoming 3 game road trip.

Why would this be a win and in game? Pats will not get to 10 - 8-9 is most likely. Chargers have been a mess all year with all of their injuries. They could easily lose to anyone depending on the day. I think it would only be a win and in game if we have 9 wins going in.

[FootballLove]

Like I've been sayin....week 18 in Miami will be for all the marbles.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, FootballLove said:

Like I've been sayin....week 18 in Miami will be for all the marbles.

When was the last critical game (for both teams) between the Jets and Dolphins?

[Green Ghost]

10 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

 

Why would this be a win and in game? Pats will not get to 10 - 8-9 is most likely. Chargers have been a mess all year with all of their injuries. They could easily lose to anyone depending on the day. I think it would only be a win and in game if we have 9 wins going in.

and there’s your answer.
If we lose to the Vikings, Bills and Seattle on the road (which is possible) and beat the Lions and Jags, we go into the Miami game with 9 wins.

None of us want it to play out that way, but let’s not act like it’s not a possibility.

[clayton163v]

Usually I wax poetic about the various possible playoff scenarios like I am trying to trade up from the 6th round into the 2d using some players we are going to cut anyway.  We know it will never happen, but we consider the possible angles anyway. 

Yet I feel no urge to wade into the possibilities.  The table is set in front of us.  We control our destiny.  We win the remaining games are 13-4 and division winners.  I say if we stay healthy we will win out.  Buffalo is unlikely to regain the players they need to hang with us.  And they will need everybody.  This is how I saw it before the Bill's game:

I think we match up well against the Vikings.  They have a one man passing attack in Jefferson and a vicious running attack with Cook.    Sauce will take care of Jefferson and the rest of his mates will deal with Cook.  They lack depth at WR and have no tight end (Hockenson just got there).  I think we will take away Jefferson and make them one dimensional.  I predict turnovers and an easy Jet win.

I see it the same.  The Vikings are too one dimensional.  I have watched them play and they depend too much on Jefferson.  We will take that away.

Bills.  I dread this matchup.  Last time the Bills were missing Greg Rousseau, Matt Milano, both Safeties and Tradavious White.  When they are at full strength, they are the best team in the NFL (until we prove otherwise).  This will be a playoff game and all out war.  Pick em.

We just saw them trash New England.  The Bills better get healthy or we will kick their ass.  Last night they lacked Dawkins at LT.  If he misses the game against us we will have a field day.  They have no backup either. 

Detroit.  They resemble some of the try hard - yet defective - teams that we used to field when the mirage was shining before the arrival of the tsunami of truth.  Alas for Detroit, we are firing on all cylinders and will blow them away.  They should have gotten the Lion for training camp.  Those WRs are not getting anything on Sauce and Reed.  Nor can they block us.   I predict an easy Jet win.

They do not have the wideouts to score on us.

Jax.  Another team that is trying to repair all the damage from the last regime.  We are a fundamentally better team and our program has matured way ahead of schedule.  Like Detroit, we actually outclass them.  I predict an easy Jet win.

We will shut them down.

Seattle.  A bad matchup for the Jets.  Like the Jets, the Seahawks just had a tremendous draft.  They added Cross at LT and Lucas at RT.  In a redraft, both go in the top 10 picks.  Lucas vaulting all the way from the 4th round.  Like our Johnson and Michael Clemens, they have tremendous pride in what they have done so far.  They will be out to prove they are the top rookies of 2022 and are in a position to do something about it.  Geno has been on fire and they have the wideouts to give us trouble.  I like our rookies better but this is  not a good matchup.  They have lit people up.  Pick em. 

I still see this as a war.

Miami.  I am not scared of Miami.  They are scared of us.  If the playoffs come down to this game, we are in.  They cannot block our defensive line.  By the time this game arrives, I hope we have matured and they have imploded.  If not, it will be lots of fun.  We are just more solid throughout.  And we have answers for their skill players.   Jets win.

I realize many are afraid of Miami.  Not me.  It is the irresistible force meets the immovable object.  They will be covered in ReedSauce.  Like the Seattle game, I like our rookies over their rookies and mercenaries.  So Tua has a plan?  Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. 

I  honestly see the Jets gelling at the right moment.  We are coming together as a team and are brimming with confidence.  I have been saying that this team is better than they realized since the beginning of the season.  From the outstanding play of the offensive line in the face of true adversity to the continued command performance by the secondary against all comers.  Even the weaknesses early with Mosely and Joyner have become strengths as we have cleaned up the broken plays and set traps for the unwary.  This defense can shut down anyone.  The offense will leave nothing on the table for the rest of the season.  We have a hot young rookie in Garrett Wilson and White has performed CPR on Conklin, Moore, Mims and Uzomah.  I also have faith in the running backs.  James Robinson is being rested for the stretch run imo.  We sent the kid out to play in the rain rather than bang on James and his bad knee.   

This Jets team will be a tough out the rest of the season.  Nobody wants to play us. 

PS - In regards to the Pats Folk missing that 47 yard field goal before the half when it hit the crossbar.  I must comment: "Greg the Leg".  YEAH.

[Greensleeves]

The Zach hate from any Jets fan is mind numbing.  How many QBs in the history of the Jets have gone 5-2 and are only 23 years old and they want them escorted out of town? The answer is zero. If anyone thinks a 23 year old with a ton of athleticism is going anywhere I have a bridge to sell you. It's so reactionary. Zach needs developing - he played really well against Buffalo and awful against the Pats twice. He missed a ton of training camp and came off a knee injury and still managed to bring us back from a loss against the Steelers. I hope Mike White plays really well. He deserves the chance. But if Mike White doesn't play well his leash will be short. The Buffalo game will be a great barometer for him. Zach will be back whether it's due to injury (hope not) or merit and it's too bad some of the fan base will be rooting for him to fail. This, coming from a someone that has followed this team from Namath to now. I was too young for the Super Bowl, but since the mid 70s I've followed them closely. Namath, Todd, O'Brien, Pat Ryan, Boomer, Nagle, Foley, Testaverde, Chad and the rest. It's essential we develop this kid so he can grow with the team and we can have sustained success unless Mike White becomes that guy.

[GandWFan]

Mike White IS that guy.

[FootballLove]

19 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

When was the last critical game (for both teams) between the Jets and Dolphins?

Right? There's been a bunch of great Jets/Miami games over the years, but I can't recall any last-game-of-season with so much on the line. If Miami can take the Bills down, this last game could end up being for the AFCE.

Can't wait!!!

[TuscanyTile2]

10 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

The Zach hate from any Jets fan is mind numbing.  How many QBs in the history of the Jets have gone 5-2 and are only 23 years old and they want them escorted out of town? The answer is zero. If anyone thinks a 23 year old with a ton of athleticism is going anywhere I have a bridge to sell you. It's so reactionary. Zach needs developing - he played really well against Buffalo and awful against the Pats twice. He missed a ton of training camp and came off a knee injury and still managed to bring us back from a loss against the Steelers. I hope Mike White plays really well. He deserves the chance. But if Mike White doesn't play well his leash will be short. The Buffalo game will be a great barometer for him. Zach will be back whether it's due to injury (hope not) or merit and it's too bad some of the fan base will be rooting for him to fail. This, coming from a someone that has followed this team from Namath to now. I was too young for the Super Bowl, but since the mid 70s I've followed them closely. Namath, Todd, O'Brien, Pat Ryan, Boomer, Nagle, Foley, Testaverde, Chad and the rest. It's essential we develop this kid so he can grow with the team and we can have sustained success unless Mike White becomes that guy.

There's no reason to give up on ZW so early on in his career but this is MFW's team right now.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, FootballLove said:

Right? There's been a bunch of great Jets/Miami games over the years, but I can't recall any last-game-of-season with so much on the line. If Miami can take the Bills down, this last game could end up being for the AFCE.

Can't wait!!!

Maybe the Fake Spike game was the last big one the 2 teams have played?  (Not last game of the season).

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Maybe the Fake Spike game was the last big one the 2 teams have played?  (Not last game of the season).

They won the division by beating us in week 17 in 2008 - although we were basically eliminated by the end of the game because NE had beaten Buffalo earlier in the day and Baltimore was blowing out Jacksonville. 

Monday night miracle was for first place in the division, but was much earlier in the year. 

The Jets win in Miami late in the 98 season had major implications for who would eventually win the division. 

We also knocked them out of the playoffs in 2013 on the last game of the year, although we were already eliminated. 

Although it would be really fun to play a "win and you are in" game in week 18 against Miami, let's hope we are in already by that point!

[Greensleeves]

1 hour ago, GandWFan said:

Mike White IS that guy.

He'll have his chance to prove it. We won't know until he plays a bunch of games. Hopefully he'll maintain his level.

[BurntDice]

1 hour ago, GandWFan said:

Mike White IS that guy.

To me it’s kind of crazy how quickly people have jumped on this bandwagon. 
 

A guy from the gutter rises up and plays well for a couple games then is regarded as THE guy. 
 

we’ve seen things like this happen before. Nick foles comes to mind (that is best case scenario this year) 

[GreenFish]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

Jets must beat Lions and Jags, first and foremost.

They need to also beat at least one of Minny/Seattle.

They do that, I think they're in.

Better still if they can steal one from Miami or Buffalo, but I have my doubts.

10 wins.  Get to 10 wins.  Start Sunday, kick Kirk Cousins ass, right @Jetsfan80!

10 wins is tricky. We can make it with 10 but there’s a lot of ifs. 11 is the magic number.

 

[clayton163v]

1 hour ago, Greensleeves said:

The Zach hate from any Jets fan is mind numbing.  How many QBs in the history of the Jets have gone 5-2 and are only 23 years old and they want them escorted out of town? The answer is zero. If anyone thinks a 23 year old with a ton of athleticism is going anywhere I have a bridge to sell you. It's so reactionary. Zach needs developing - he played really well against Buffalo and awful against the Pats twice. He missed a ton of training camp and came off a knee injury and still managed to bring us back from a loss against the Steelers. I hope Mike White plays really well. He deserves the chance. But if Mike White doesn't play well his leash will be short. The Buffalo game will be a great barometer for him. Zach will be back whether it's due to injury (hope not) or merit and it's too bad some of the fan base will be rooting for him to fail. This, coming from a someone that has followed this team from Namath to now. I was too young for the Super Bowl, but since the mid 70s I've followed them closely. Namath, Todd, O'Brien, Pat Ryan, Boomer, Nagle, Foley, Testaverde, Chad and the rest. It's essential we develop this kid so he can grow with the team and we can have sustained success unless Mike White becomes that guy.

Wasn't this about the playoff picture?  I trashed Zach in the "This is a pause thread".  Head over there.

[slimjasi]

14 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Nick foles comes to mind (that is best case scenario this year) 

I'd probably sign for a Super Bowl MVP. I think I could live with that. 

And why is one flash in the pan playoff run the best case? Mike White has started 4 NFL games. It's really odd how people just assume they know exactly what he will become as a player. We have no idea what he will become. All we know is that two of his four NFL starts have been among the best passing performances in franchise history. 

[clayton163v]

13 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I'd probably sign for a Super Bowl MVP. I think I could live with that. 

And why is one flash in the pan playoff run the best case? Mike White has started 4 NFL games. It's really odd how people just assume they know exactly what he will become as a player. We have no idea what he will become. All we know is that two of his four NFL starts have been among the best passing performances in franchise history. 

Exactly.  This is why we need to have a plan.  This is mine.  New QB room.  Cut Flacco during the offseason.

Evaluate Mike for the rest of the season and playoffs.  If he passes and I believe he will, then I think the Jets should trade Zach Wilson - we pay him some 10 million per year.   We can sign Mariota for that much cash and I would do just that.  Sign a veteran with Zach's money.  I would also commit to that veteran and Mike White for next season.  Towards that end I would draft a late round QB with running ability to train in the meantime.  Somebody cheap in draft capitol.  Somebody like KJ Jefferson.  A 5th round pick ought to do it.  I also like Cameron Ward and Michael Penix in the 5th.  No need to pick rich.  Lots of cheap QBs to carry the clipboard.  None of whom will be afraid to work out in front of scouts.  If they work out, great.  If not, pick another.  If Mike White's era ends, do the best you can.

[Warfish]

28 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

10 wins is tricky. We can make it with 10 but there’s a lot of ifs. 11 is the magic number.

11 would be a heck of alot better, aye!

I'm just not confident there are 4 wins left on this schedule.

I'm having a hard time seeing us beat a Tua-led Miami in Miami, or Buffalo in Buffalo.  Not impossible, just hard.  

Minny and Seattle, I could see us beat either, but perhaps not both.  If luck is in our corner tho, maybe both.

But the Lions are harder than anyone gives them credit here, and the Jags may be the Jags, but this is the NFL, there are no "easy wins" in this league.  And both have to be wins.

[BurntDice]

53 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I'd probably sign for a Super Bowl MVP. I think I could live with that. 

And why is one flash in the pan playoff run the best case? Mike White has started 4 NFL games. It's really odd how people just assume they know exactly what he will become as a player. We have no idea what he will become. All we know is that two of his four NFL starts have been among the best passing performances in franchise history. 

I think you are misinterpreting what I meant.  Do guys sometimes come out of nowhere and play well after years on the bench? Of course they do. Is it usually long term success? Not very often. 
 

people just seem to be dead set on white being the guy. This sets up for complete and utter disappointment 9/10 times. 
 

Trust me I’m hoping he is the guy, but am not very optimistic regarding that. Tyler Heineke is what i am guessing will be the outcome (also optimistic). 
 

I 100% agree that we have no idea what will happen but there are a ton of people who have total blind faith in him for whatever reason. 
 

Something I’ve noticed that seems kind of odd also is that the biggest Zach detractors are now all in on white. Perhaps this is to prove that they were right that Zach sucks and they knew from the start that white is the guy? Who knows. 
 

Personally I’m on the wait and see approach for both qbs. Does Zach just need time? Perhaps. Will he never be good? Also a high probability. Can white be the guiding light for the future jets success that we’ve all been wanting for decades? I hope so! Will he be an average to below average starter for the rest of his career? Who knows, but this seems likely. Will he fizzle out and fade as quickly as he appeared? Also possible. 

[clayton163v]

1 hour ago, BurntDice said:

I think you are misinterpreting what I meant.  Do guys sometimes come out of nowhere and play well after years on the bench? Of course they do. Is it usually long term success? Not very often. 
 

people just seem to be dead set on white being the guy. This sets up for complete and utter disappointment 9/10 times. 
 

Trust me I’m hoping he is the guy, but am not very optimistic regarding that. Tyler Heineke is what i am guessing will be the outcome (also optimistic). 
 

I 100% agree that we have no idea what will happen but there are a ton of people who have total blind faith in him for whatever reason. 
 

Something I’ve noticed that seems kind of odd also is that the biggest Zach detractors are now all in on white. Perhaps this is to prove that they were right that Zach sucks and they knew from the start that white is the guy? Who knows. 
 

Personally I’m on the wait and see approach for both qbs. Does Zach just need time? Perhaps. Will he never be good? Also a high probability. Can white be the guiding light for the future jets success that we’ve all been wanting for decades? I hope so! Will he be an average to below average starter for the rest of his career? Who knows, but this seems likely. Will he fizzle out and fade as quickly as he appeared? Also possible. 

Fair enough.  I think that much will be resolved in the next two weeks.  Mirage or oasis?  Stay tuned.

[Vader]

why aim low? The division and WC seeding will come down to the last week at MIAMI...MIAMI is also angling for the division but could end up competing for a WC spot

[Greensleeves]

5 hours ago, GandWFan said:

Mike White IS that guy.

Based on 3 games - 2 great and one as bad as it gets? Truth is, nobody has a clue if that is the case, not even the coaches right now. If MFW balls out the next two games then we might have something. He should put up at least 27 on Sunday against a really bad Vikings D and then he will either be for real or not based on his Buffalo showing. If he plays poorly he may lose his job. If he plays well he will keep it. I think it's that simple. I will root for him to play great as to leave no doubt. If he doesn't it's in the best interest of this team to put Zach back in because, like it or not, his ceiling is higher and he will be more economical the next few years. Unfortunately, his floor is lower. MFW has had 4 more years of experience so he should be able to process defenses better. 

[Xtina]

Why are we behind the Bengals, with the same record but better conf and div records? 

[OCCH23]

7 hours ago, frankiepapa said:

Boy oh boy do are these threads so much more refreshing than the fire jd and Saleh threads... we just need to take care of our own business and win Sunday...if we get past the vikings... we'll be in very good position... the chargers squeaking out that win hurt Sunday...

Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
 

We always end the season with threads like this one.

It's just usually who do we need to win/lose in order to improve our draft position?

[OCCH23]

2 minutes ago, Xtina said:

Why are we behind the Bengals, with the same record but better conf and div records? 

Head to head

[Larz]

Too soon. 3 weeks to go is when you can get into this. 
 

 

[jamesr]

21 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Maybe the Fake Spike game was the last big one the 2 teams have played?  (Not last game of the season).

Raul Allegre FG to beat Miami in a "win and in" on the last game of the season ... 1991 I think?

[Averagejetsfan1421]

I love that this is a thread in December and not a top 10 draft board !!!!

 

All praise to saleh/jd, nobody can say they expected this 

Edited December 3, 2022 by Averagejetsfan1421