Every Mike White throw: Vikings

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Click Watch on YouTube link.  For those who have 10 minutes, it’s a good watch and you’ll pick up some things you might not have noticed watching live.

 

1. Elijah Moore was open on THREE 3rd or 4th down plays that went elsewhere for an incompletion.  Also on the first down incompletion of the final set of downs (in the flat to White’s left for about 7 yards where he has time to get out of bounds).  LaFleur / White need to make Moore a point of emphasis on 3rd and other crucial downs when teams are rolling coverage to Wilson or others.  It’s time he fully exits the dog house and is used as an active chess piece

2. TWO Red Zone opportunities wasted by plays that Berrios was not involved in 

- Incomplete to Wilson who was illegally bumped off his route past 5 yards, making him a tad late to a timing throw from White.  No call.  This was earlier in the game, not the fade in the end zone 

- Tyler Conklin drop on a perfect pass from White at the goal line (bouncing off his hands). Bad game from Conklin

3. White has some well noted strengths and weaknesses, but I’m surprised how many big time throws he is making.

- Tight window to Davis over middle (Q1)

- Deep sideline out to Wilson

- Deep in to Wilson (play he almost scored on)

- 4th down post to Davis

- Final Drive near top sideline to Wilson in between 3 defenders 

 

 

[T0mShane]

The slight overthrow to Garrett Wilson and the drop by Berrios are so painful to think back on. White would be getting the Derek Jeter treatment right now.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Was watching back the game a little bit and IMO, Conklin is getting way too many targets and way too many on critical downs. 

Throws weren't perfect every time but this game would make me want to change things up on that end. 

Wilson, Davis, and Moore should be your go to's on must have downs.

[Irish Jet]

How does he always get away with posting the highlights?

I don't see anything like this for any other team in the league when you want to watch QB's performances. But he does every Jets game lol. 

[Augustiniak]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The slight overthrow to Garrett Wilson and the drop by Berrios are so painful to think back on. White would be getting the Derek Jeter treatment right now.

The narrative on white is so altered by those 2 throws in particular.  The reality is that he is a competent qb whether berrios catches that pass or not

There’s too much debate of whether white is a ‘franchise qb’.  Truth is there just aren’t many right now.  Maybe 10.  The rest of the teams are throwing out the best qbs they have and trying to maximize their abilities.  I would take 7 more years of good competent qb play that puts the jets in position to win playoff games, vs. drafting dud after dud and enduring several more regime changes with nothing to show for it.

[doitny]

4 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

How does he always get away with posting the highlights?

I don't see anything like this for any other team in the league when you want to watch QB's performances. But he does every Jets game lol. 

i like him. hes good.

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5 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

How does he always get away with posting the highlights?

I don't see anything like this for any other team in the league when you want to watch QB's performances. But he does every Jets game lol. 

Its not an easy process haha the NFL captures the ad revenue from videos like this, rather than the content creator, so in a sense the NFL is getting free revenue. 

[JiFtheOracle]

After watching that again, his 1st half was fine.  I saw one ball totally off target and it was the one he slightly air mailed to Conk on the sideline.  So ridiculous people are trying to say he played "bad".  The Jets had 2, HUGE blatant no call PI's, one that resulted in a INT, and the one to the sidelines to Mims (that still hit his hands).  He had 4 drops, and he had Moore not getting his feet down on a perfect ball. 

His 2nd half was ridiculous.  Sure, nit pick a missed guy here or there but dude just balled the F out and my god, if he hits Wilson or Berrios holds on to it, that is one of the best QB performances playing from behind Jets fans have ever seen.  So weird that there are still doubters. 

[More Cowbell]

I just watched the Berrios play in stop motion about 5 times. Berrios was actually doubled on that play. The fact that white got the ball to him is a testament to his accuracy. Also it looked like Conklin was open for a jump ball fade in the left corner

 White may not have trusted him at that point. 

[Be_a_Jet]

38 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The slight overthrow to Garrett Wilson and the drop by Berrios are so painful to think back on. White would be getting the Derek Jeter treatment right now.

I look at the one Corey Davis caught that he would have taken for 6 if not for some major hustle by Bynum, the DB who got the final INT to end the game. He saved his team there. Damn it woulda been awesome if he took that home 

[SuicidalSince98]

It’s obvious that this guy is a good QB and can play at top 15 level no problem, he should be the starter until Wilson or another player completely dominates him in practice 

[More Cowbell]

Also, it looks like Knight is the better pass catching back between he and MC

[Irish Jet]

29 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Its not an easy process haha the NFL captures the ad revenue from videos like this, rather than the content creator, so in a sense the NFL is getting free revenue. 

Definitely feels like it would be worth it as brings a lot of eyes to the channel. I'm certainly not complaining, I watch nearly all of them lol. 

[Lith]

So many missed opportuntiies in this game.  Just seemed to be a step off on several potential big plays on offense.  And even when we got big plays, we were like one step away from breaking them for TDs: Bam run, Wilson catch, even the Davis 4th down catch, we were one step away from TDs.  WOuld not have mattered as much if we cold have done anything in the red zone.

On the one hand, you can see the potential for a high-powered offense, but on the other hand, we are a playoff caliber team and this game could have us sitting at home wild card weekend.  Frustrating.

 

[68JET11]

45 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The slight overthrow to Garrett Wilson and the drop by Berrios are so painful to think back on. White would be getting the Derek Jeter treatment right now.

Agreed, however he had some throws that need to be more in front of the receivers, than behind them. He did such a good job of throwing the flat routes in the Vikings game, but had some behind the route throws that caused some of the drops. That was his only blemish besides not finding Moore on those 3rd's.... He had a good game overall, and I think we can get behind him going forward. Zach should not see the field again this year.

[The Crusher]

26 minutes ago, JiFields said:

After watching that again, his 1st half was fine.  I saw one ball totally off target and it was the one he slightly air mailed ton Conk on the sideline.  So ridiculous people are trying to say he played "bad".  The Jets had 2, HUGE blatant no call PI's, one the resulted in a INT, and the one to the sidelines to Mims (that still hit his hands).  He had 4 drops, and he had Moore not getting his feet down on a perfect ball. 

His 2nd half was ridiculous.  Sure, nit pick a missed guy here or there but dude just balled the F out and my god, if he hits Wilson or Berrios holds on to it, that is one of the best QB performances playing from behind Jets fans have ever seen.  So weird that there are still doubters. 

Can you imagine  if Mike White and Justin Fields had a baby? 

[Irish Jet]

3 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Can you imagine  if Mike White and Justin Fields had a baby? 

And it get's White's running ability and Field's passing skills...

 

[The Crusher]

Just now, Irish Jet said:

And it get's White's running ability and Field's passing skills...

 

That’s very likely my favorite gif of all time. To 5 movie. 

[slimjasi]

Wish he was a bit more mobile, but this dude can absolutely play. Not sure what his ceiling is, but he can be a successful starter in this league. There is no doubt in my mind about that. 

Our section went crazy on that 4th down completion to Davis. Total dime. Wish he hit that deep pass to Wilson. Berrios still needs to catch that 4th down pass. 

Stil a bit heartbroken over this loss. We had them. But onto Buffalo . . . 

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

The slight overthrow to Garrett Wilson and the drop by Berrios are so painful to think back on. White would be getting the Derek Jeter treatment right now.

Yea, it’s why I’m not sweating him. Conklin, Davis and Berrios really dogged it this game… they do their job even 50% of the time and we win.

[Jetsfan4life90]

Just now, Integrity28 said:

Yea, it’s why I’m not sweating him. Conklin, Davis and Berrios really dogged it this game… they do their job even 50% of the time and we win.

Davis made up for it at the end, but agreed on Conklin and Berrios. 

[Integrity28]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Davis made up for it at the end, but agreed on Conklin and Berrios. 

Kinda, maybe.

[frankiepapa]

The slight overthrow to Garrett Wilson and the drop by Berrios are so painful to think back on. White would be getting the Derek Jeter treatment right now.

And Wilson would have clinched the ROY as well...almost looked like O'Brien to Walker

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7 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Definitely feels like it would be worth it as brings a lot of eyes to the channel. I'm certainly not complaining, I watch nearly all of them lol. 

Oo for sure haha I'm sure there are people who only sub to watch these videos. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

16 minutes ago, Lith said:

So many missed opportuntiies in this game.  Just seemed to be a step off on several potential big plays on offense.  And even when we got big plays, we were like one step away from breaking them for TDs: Bam run, Wilson catch, even the Davis 4th down catch, we were one step away from TDs.  WOuld not have mattered as much if we cold have done anything in the red zone.

On the one hand, you can see the potential for a high-powered offense, but on the other hand, we are a playoff caliber team and this game could have us sitting at home wild card weekend.  Frustrating.

If we had a big time TE, I think it would really transform this offense. I'd go TE in the first round possibly. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

If we had a big time TE, I think it would really transform this offense. I'd go TE in the first round possibly. 

No it’s never worth it.  Go OL or pass rusher instead.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

53 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

The narrative on white is so altered by those 2 throws in particular.  The reality is that he is a competent qb whether berrios catches that pass or not

There’s too much debate of whether white is a ‘franchise qb’.  Truth is there just aren’t many right now.  Maybe 10.  The rest of the teams are throwing out the best qbs they have and trying to maximize their abilities.  I would take 7 more years of good competent qb play that puts the jets in position to win playoff games, vs. drafting dud after dud and enduring several more regime changes with nothing to show for it.

Agreed.  The cost of the franchise QB is very high in all scenarios:

Drafting one takes time and comes with a 60%+ failure rate when looking at the analysis from @Jetsfan80 .  Talking about top 10 FQBs, not just average starters 

Trading for one, ha?  Look at what Cleveland & Denver gave up.  Might set them back for years.

Free agency?  Good luck finding one.

Now, how about a very good system QB, drafting stud WRs early where the cost is escalating and the recent hit rate is MUCH higher.  Distribute the rest to a strong OLine, TE, RB, and defense.  Well you’ll have the Jets when they draft another WR in the first round next year.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

No it’s never worth it.  Go OL or pass rusher instead.

Geez, shut me down quickly. Just over here dreaming baby. 

[Lith]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Davis made up for it at the end, but agreed on Conklin and Berrios. 

Yup.  Big play on 4th down.  Davis also had a big catch on 3rd and long early to set up a FG in the first half, and broke up a potential interception off a tipped ball oif Conklin's hands.  He made some mistakes, but at least he made some plays in the game.  I can't think of any postivie plays by Conklin or Berrios.

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11 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Agreed.  The cost of the franchise QB is very high in all scenarios:

Drafting one takes time and comes with a 60%+ failure rate when looking at the analysis from @Jetsfan80 .  Talking about top 10 FQBs, not just average starters 

Trading for one, ha?  Look at what Cleveland & Denver gave up.  Might set them back for years.

Free agency?  Good luck finding one.

Now, how about a very good system QB, drafting stud WRs early where the cost is escalating and the recent hit rate is MUCH higher.  Distribute the rest to a strong OLine, TE, RB, and defense.  Well you’ll have the Jets when they draft another WR in the first round next year.

I like a battle of White, Wilson, and a 3rd round QB with upside. I'll feel more confident if we continue to get strong performances from White, Joe Douglas won't waste a prime year of this roster on promise. Next year will have SB expectations.

[Lith]

4 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I like a battle of White, Wilson, and a 3rd round QB with upside. I'll feel more confident if we continue to get strong performances from White, Joe Douglas won't waste a prime year of this roster on promise. Next year will have SB expectations.

My thoughtts exactly.  I think White has shown us that he can give us a baseline of competent QB play, so there is no need to bring in an experienced vet.  But I don't think either Wilson or White prevents us from looking for that franchise guy.  If eitehr guy proves he can be more the guy, great.  I have no confidence in Wilson right now, and White is solid, but I am not sure he ever rises to top 10.

Find a day 2 guy who is not under pressure to play immediately and we can still contend next year with White.  If Wilson figures it our next year, then we have a good problem to deal with.

[Warfish]

I think there is too much hyperbole on the topic of Mike White, and too many already-set-in-stone entrenched belief systems re: Wilson that color any evaluation of White.

White has played well, and somewhat well.  He missed opportunities and made mistakes too.  He's not been horrible, he's not been perfect, he's been adequate to good.  He makes quick decisions, I think he sees the field and his receivers somewhat well to quite well at times, he doesn't look afraid back there, stands tall in the pocket, spreads the ball around very well, and looks every bit the Pro NFL QB to me.  His arm isn;t the best, but it seems mostly adequate, although it's weakness does raise the risk of INT's. 

To that point, he has plenty of room for improvement.  He throws too many INT's.  And he's a bit scary at times for his risk of additional INT's. He can lock on a receiver (as many QB's do).  He may go to the flats too fast (not something I'd kill him for).  Yet, he's very productive (despite the red zone challenges vs. the Bears) and he has earned the right to keep starting with the quality of his play, IMO, for the rest of this season.

The TLDR:  The Jets Offense looks like an NFL Offense with White.  It mostly didn't with Wilson.  Simple as that, really.  Talent and potential are great, but it has to be more, it has to be implementation and production.  No just a vague hope for it someday.

No, White isn't a "Franchise QB" as yet, likely not ever, and no, he doesn't actually have to be Tom Brady or Patrick Mahommes for us to win and be a threat in the postseason.  But he's materially more productive than Zach has shown himself to be, more competent at playing QB at this time, and with more future upside than Joe Flacco, so his being the #1 QB the rest of this year is entirely warranted.

The future is quite unclear, and we need to see the rest of the season, with White, before we, much less JD and Co., know what the right future course is.  Trying to say we know what we should do today is silly, we do not.  We'll have a much better view after the season, after we've seen White play more games, and when we know better who else will be on the QB market and in the draft and where we draft.

[docdhc]

1 hour ago, Augustiniak said:

The narrative on white is so altered by those 2 throws in particular.  The reality is that he is a competent qb whether berrios catches that pass or not

There’s too much debate of whether white is a ‘franchise qb’.  Truth is there just aren’t many right now.  Maybe 10.  The rest of the teams are throwing out the best qbs they have and trying to maximize their abilities.  I would take 7 more years of good competent qb play that puts the jets in position to win playoff games, vs. drafting dud after dud and enduring several more regime changes with nothing to show for it.

I think he’s better than competent looking at his passing yards per game and his completion percentage. Why can’t he get better after only 5 starts?  He’ll never be Mahomes but is top ten in reach?  I think so. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

 

[carlito1171]

This was a gutsy performance by White, esp in the 2nd half....just couldn't get it in the EZ when we needed to 

One thing that I have to walk back is I didn't think we had the capability of playing from behind with White playing...some of the throws he was able to make shocked me in the 2nd half....

Another thing I have to walk back is my over criticism of MLF's playcalling....the offense is fine with a QB who can actually run it. I felt he should have catered to Zach's strengths more instead of a pure WCO but it's clear that MLF(and Saleh) want more of a Point Guard QB who can distribute the rock with the short passing game leading to YAC, more then they want a QB using his arm to sling the ball all over the field(which is a big reason why I still question why they wanted Zach so bad in the draft, but that's a convo for a different thread).......MLF still has room for growth with his playcalling, but it's not even close to as bad as I made it out to be when Zach was starting.....