Did MW do enough to keep ZW from starting next week?

[doitny]

9 minutes ago, Asymmetrical said:

 

Someone (a wide receiver) would frag Saleh if he made a change at this point.

i can name 2. Moore and Wilson. 

[RutgersJetFan]

53 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Which of the two would have been wins with the other available QB's?

If I say both, will that annoy all of you? Because if so, both. 

[Warfish]

6 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

If I say both, will that annoy all of you?

Nope.  People say silly things all the time.

6 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Because if so, both. 

Lol.

[Hex]

Mike White is not the reason this team is 1-2 with him starting. This team has to start prepared on offense. I'm sick of the slow starts. MW probably has a small amount of reason for this but it's not near the top of the list of problems. The Jets scored more 1st half points in the 2nd meeting agains the Pats than today. Jets aren't going to win many games playing catchup. MLF has to playcall better. I think he played a big part of the offense's struggles when ZW was QBing too, although Wilson wasn't doing much with good playcalling either. Either way, 12 points isn't good enough unless you're playing the Broncos. They have to be better. 

The defense has struggled too. Didn't too a bad job today though, only allowing 20 points on a team averaging 7-8 more points each game. Unfortunately it wasn't enough.

[RutgersJetFan]

Just now, Warfish said:

Nope.  People say silly things all the time.

Lol.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS SILLY

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS SILLY

Often, aye.

[Sonny Werblin]

I’m not sure if this is a serious question?

[Vader]

1 minute ago, Hex said:

Mike White is not the reason this team is 1-2 with him starting. This team has to start prepared on offense. I'm sick of the slow starts. MW probably has a small amount of reason for this but it's not near the top of the list of problems. The Jets scored more 1st half points in the 2nd meeting agains the Pats than today. Jets aren't going to win many games playing catchup. MLF has to playcall better. I think he played a big part of the offense's struggles when ZW was QBing too, although Wilson wasn't doing much with good playcalling either. Either way, 12 points isn't good enough unless you're playing the Broncos. They have to be better. 

The defense has struggled too. Didn't too a bad job today though, only allowing 20 points on a team averaging 7-8 more points each game. Unfortunately it wasn't enough.

MLF been playing small ball until we are down. By that time, the game is down to possessions

[Xtina]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

This was obvious to everyone in the western world except the new york jets.  Having him as backup is idiotic and you get what you deserve.

Just a few days ago people here were saying MW and JF were out two good QB’s, 

[football guy]

3 minutes ago, WhartonJet said:

After the Lions game, its a short week with the Thursday nighter against the Jaguars so there is no way for the Jets to go back to Zach then.  This really all should be moot because Zach shouldn't see the field for the rest of the year.

I would disagree. His ability to play within the offense are rooted in footwork, and they think part of that is due to the time he spends studying rather than maintaining… some have said he puts too much work on film prep and trying to be ahead of the defense, not enough just playing within the timing & rhythm of the offense. I think they would generalize that a short week would be best for him. Just go out and play without overthinking what the opponent is trying to do to you (if Mike White comes out of the DET game healthy and earns the right to play JAX the following week)

[Barton]

3 minutes ago, Vader said:

MLF been playing small ball until we are down. By that time, the game is down to possessions

Yup. LaFleur has been terrible these past 2 games. Some of these run plays are so damn predictable its painful to watch - then the RB takes a 2 yard loss with 3 defenders all over him. Enough already. 

[WhartonJet]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

I would disagree. His ability to play within the offense are rooted in footwork, and they think part of that is due to the time he spends studying rather than maintaining… some have said he puts too much work on film prep and trying to be ahead of the defense, not enough just playing within the timing & rhythm of the offense. I think they would generalize that a short week would be best for him. Just go out and play without overthinking what the opponent is trying to do to you (if Mike White comes out of the DET game healthy and earns the right to play JAX the following week)

I could see that point, but the coaching staff took the exact opposite approach when he was coming back from the knee injury, stating he needed a full week of practice and be 110% before returning.  I understand its an apples and oranges comparison because he is out for a different reason now, but I just think the coaching staff will want Zach to have a full week of practice as QB1 before returning.

All that said, I don't think Mike White gives him an opportunity to step back on the field.  I think we go 2-0 over the next 2 games with White looking the part.  

[Vader]

Just now, Barton said:

Yup. LaFleur has been terrible these past 2 games. Some of these run plays are so damn predictable its painful to watch - then the RB takes a 2 yard loss with 3 defenders all over him. Enough already. 

Totally. Outrageous.

[56mehl56]

38 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

If it's  just broken ribs, he will play. There is no treatment for ribs. It is a pain tolerance thing. Hopefully he doesn't  sneeze or laugh this week. 

Yeah because we all know our granite wall OL will keep him clean next week ?

[JetBlue]

1 hour ago, GreenFish said:

Yes, he has done enough to play as long as he is healthy. He has also played well enough to have a shot at the #1 QB spot next year.

While he is a tough dude, the injuries are concerning. Like I posted in the other thread, he has been injured in 4 of his 6 starts. And he frequently looks like he is in pain when he gets hit. We need to add another veteran who can also start to the QB room as White's durability has to be a concern. He needs to add some clean weight to his frame if possible. 

I feel the same way.  If he can bulk up a little and protect himself better, he could definitely win the starting quarterback job next season.   

[Vader]

Mike White is in the hospital. They say precautionary but you know, the hospital in Buffalo is not an ideal place to be tonight. 

They will def have to assess any injury or limitation.

[football guy]

5 minutes ago, WhartonJet said:

I could see that point, but the coaching staff took the exact opposite approach when he was coming back from the knee injury, stating he needed a full week of practice and be 110% before returning.  I understand its an apples and oranges comparison because he is out for a different reason now, but I just think the coaching staff will want Zach to have a full week of practice as QB1 before returning.

All that said, I don't think Mike White gives him an opportunity to step back on the field.  I think we go 2-0 over the next 2 games with White looking the part.  

I think that was merely out of precaution for the injury. They’re operating a week ahead, and they will pretermine how he approaches this week tonight/tomorrow morning. My guess is they will make him available this week, but I haven’t heard anything 

[Claymation]

The Jets are 1-2 with Mike White starting this year.

That is more of an indictment of LoLFleur than White. He has White in shotgun doing RPOs, white is not a threat to run. Having white under center and running dives when the edge rusher are wide makes more effen sense.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Someone who is not on the team right now.  Who is your answer?  Mike White?  2-5 in his career 8 tds 10 ints

WTF

MW “lost” the Colts game?  And which other?

He’s 2-3

Beat:

CIN

CHI

Lost to:

BUF

MIN

BUF

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitMi01.htm

[JoJoTownsell1]

Much of today was pretty much like Wilson against the Pats in the same crappy weather. But white came out in the second half and played better and showed toughness. He is the guy.  Zero question. 

The only QB change should be making Flacco inactive. Wilson or Streveler should be given the chance to be active. 

[Yeetin It]

It’s MW until the Jets are out playoff contention or injuries force Salehs hand in my opinion. These were road games, in places that are tough to play in, against teams who are not only at the top of their divisions, but at the top of the league in general. Sounds like a good playoff test to me.

I would take being one score/drive (and in the Vikes game, one dropped catch) away from winning a playoff game any day of the week. And He made a few clutch throws to get them in both games to put them in a position to win, but couldn’t seal the deal. Neither of these losses are on White, but neither are the wins obviously. He needs to be in these situations, and they need to see how he responds down the stretch.

Also, not to simp for White too much, neither of todays turnovers were on him. Imagine if it was the Bills who fumbled twice or Josh Allen who left the field for a quarter. I think we are talking about different games. Every game from here on out is winnable. I want to see White get the nod in all of them to see what he is really made of. And somehow I think Saleh views it that way too

[JetBlue]

2 minutes ago, Yeetin It said:

It’s MW until the Jets are out playoff contention or injuries force Salehs hand in my opinion. These were road games, in places that are tough to play in, against teams who are not only at the top of their divisions, but at the top of the league in general. Sounds like a good playoff test to me.

I would take being one score/drive (and in the Vikes game, one dropped catch) away from winning a playoff game any day of the week. And He made a few clutch throws to get them in both games to put them in a position to win, but couldn’t seal the deal. Neither of these losses are on White, but neither are the wins obviously. He needs to be in these situations, and they need to see how he responds down the stretch.

Also, not to simp for White too much, neither of todays turnovers were on him. Imagine if it was the Bills who fumbled twice or Josh Allen who left the field for a quarter. I think we are talking about different games. Every game from here on out is winnable. I want to see White get the nod in all of them to see what he is really made of. And somehow I think Saleh views it that way too

Listen lets just hope MW is healthy enougth to start next week.  Have my fingers crossed but he took a real beating today. 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Irish Jet said:

No treatment does not mean they can’t be damaged further.

Ribs don't move and have no muscle attached. There really isn't  anything  more to damage. 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said:

Yeah because we all know our granite wall OL will keep him clean next week ?

As long as he can take the pain, he can play. 

[Fantasy Island]

2 hours ago, GreenFish said:

Yes, he has done enough to play as long as he is healthy. He has also played well enough to have a shot at the #1 QB spot next year.

While he is a tough dude, the injuries are concerning. Like I posted in the other thread, he has been injured in 4 of his 6 starts. And he frequently looks like he is in pain when he gets hit. We need to add another veteran who can also start to the QB room as White's durability has to be a concern. He needs to add some clean weight to his frame if possible. 

Speaking of durability, how in the ever loving f*** do we draft Frail Zach Wilson?

[T0mShane]

Can anyone of you guys who wants Zach Wilson to play again this year produce a list of people employed by the Jets who would want to see Zach Wilson play again this year? Who’s motivated to do such a thing? Clearly not Saleh. Absolutely not the players. LaFleur would rather quit than suffer through any more Zach games. Woody Johnson maybe, because he signs the checks? 

[TNJet]

2 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

When I’m looking for what’s wrong with this team right now, Mike white is not close to the top of the list. 

Nope, its Mike LaFleur.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 hour ago, Claymation said:

That is more of an indictment of LoLFleur than White. He has White in shotgun doing RPOs, white is not a threat to run. Having white under center and running dives when the edge rusher are wide makes more effen sense.

If only the OC would call the good plays

[Zachtomims47]

Just now, RutgersJetFan said:

If only the OC would call the good plays

Wish he would! 

[doitny]

8 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

Speaking of durability, how in the ever loving f*** do we draft Frail Zach Wilson?

Zach Wilson could never take the hits White did today. if he did he would be out till 2024

[BurnleyJet]

2 hours ago, ultraJETfan said:

I think he did enough to start next week but it's going to be his last shot. If he goes 0-3 then it's going to be hard for the staff to justify giving him another start. His toughness is admirable but it's very concerning how often he gets hurt. He needs to steal Zachs personal chef in the off season and gain 20lbs.

No he’s playing great, it’s others that are losing the game. Buckle up White is the Jets QB for the foreseeable future.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Can anyone of you guys who wants Zach Wilson to play again this year produce a list of people employed by the Jets who would want to see Zach Wilson play again this year? 

A list of people employed he says.

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, doitny said:

Zach Wilson could never take the hits White did today. if he did he would be out till 2024

Also have to figure wilson throws at least one pick today and maybe a fumble too with those hits.  

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

A list of people employed he says.

Notarized and in triplicate

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Eventually the truth will come out on this season.

Saleh will admit he never trusted ZW and never wanted to play him but was basically forced to by management / ownership.

Hopefully it doesn’t cost them a playoff berth.