Big Shout Out Too ......

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

I’m thinking more so along the lines of Baker Mayfield or Danny Dimes. They probably won’t be crazy expensive and will likely be better than white. Keep Zach as the backup and draft a mid round qb If needed or see if strev can be qb 3

Mayfield and Dimes are just going to be placeholders anyway, so why not just roll with White? 

[Smashmouth]

5 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

They are not getting rid of Zach. They just aint doing it. JD would look like a buffoon. They'll hold on to him another year even if it means sitting him behind White. Key word in your post - Developing White.  He is still RAW and just hasn't played a lot of games in NFL. And he needs certain accommodations like a kick azz OL, kick azz running game and needs to get more accustomed to his WR's. And LaFluer needs to find and refine his strengths. The red zone offense is pitiful under Mike White. These flaws can be fixed and adjusted. Right now, Mike White is not working with a full deck. Lot of potential there if they can cross the T's and dot the I's.

I don't think JD or the Jets would look like Buffoons ..everyone saw the raw talent Zach has so no harm in JD picking him with the second over all, none at all. You were not going to know how Zach would do in the heat of battle in the NFL until it actually happened and that goes for every single QB taken in the draft. Problem is Zach has zero toughness in the pocket and that causes him to take his eyes off open receivers down field. If you don't have that toughness you can't play in the NFL and there is no disputing that fact. There are times a QB will have to stand tough and lean into a throw and take a huge hit for the team. Mike White Did that three times today and came back into the game and still continued to play tough and make plays until Michael Carter fumbled the game away. 

I'm not sure how the Jets as an organization are assessing this QB situation but if its based on the fact Zach was the number 2 over all and to save face then god help this team and its fans. Personally I think they gave Zach a pretty long rope and they are still playing damage control with his psyche which at this stage is all they can do. He will not be cut due to the money owed him but in all estimations he should be riding the bench and at best be the Number 2 QB behind Mike White. The only way Zach should ever get a chance to play again is if Mike White gets hurt and can't play.  At that time, IF it comes, will be his only single chance to ever play for the Jets again on this football team if he sh*ts the bed again at that point he will be gone when the proper time to cut him or trade him dictates it

[T0mShane]

20 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

They are not getting rid of Zach. They just aint doing it. JD would look like a buffoon. They'll hold on to him another year even if it means sitting him behind White. Key word in your post - Developing White.  He is still RAW and just hasn't played a lot of games in NFL. And he needs certain accommodations like a kick azz OL, kick azz running game and needs to get more accustomed to his WR's. And LaFluer needs to find and refine his strengths. The red zone offense is pitiful under Mike White. These flaws can be fixed and adjusted. Right now, Mike White is not working with a full deck. Lot of potential there if they can cross the T's and dot the I's.

Joe Douglas is sitting here with the likely DROY and OROY in his team. I honestly haven’t heard a peep from any corner of the NFL media universe criticizing Douglas for the Zach pick. The only “lolJets” stuff I’ve heard was in reference to continuing to play Zach Wilson every week. 

[BurntDice]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mayfield and Dimes are just going to be placeholders anyway, so why not just roll with White? 

Why do they have to be just placeholders? Jones is only 25 and has only played with either trash ol or trash weapons and still did pretty well. Can he turn into a fqb with the weapons the jets have? It’s definitely possible. Mayfield is the same age as white had a couple excellent seasons. Can he return to form? 

[Vader]

5 hours ago, BurntDice said:

This MW fan club is die hard I’ll give you that. Why should he be the starter next year? Why not bring in a vet FA? Or trade for one?

Why complicate things? QB is handled. And it is such a crapshoot. Need OL and Big, fast Targets

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

5 hours ago, BurntDice said:

This MW fan club is die hard I’ll give you that. Why should he be the starter next year? Why not bring in a vet FA? Or trade for one?

I don’t care about next year right now

But it sounds like you do, like you are counting the days til MW’s ouster 

[BurntDice]

1 minute ago, Vader said:

Why complicate things? QB is handled. And it is such a crapshoot. Need OL and Big, fast Targets

Why is qb handled? White hasn’t thrown a passing td in 2 games. He’s been better than Zach sure, but that’s not saying much. I want to win the superbowl. 

[BurntDice]

3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

I don’t care about next year right now

But it sounds like you are counting the days til MW’s ouster 

I’m responding to the post. The op mentioned that he should start next year. Try staying on topic. 

[Vader]

5 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Why is qb handled? White hasn’t thrown a passing td in 2 games. He’s been better than Zach sure, but that’s not saying much. I want to win the superbowl. 

Yeah but Baker Mayfield doesn't bring any next level. And that's my point -- hitting on a QB is super hard even with top 3 draft picks,  and we have missed bad over the past 20 years.

Mike White is essentially a developmental player. He hasn't played a full half season yet. They need to see what they have but what he has already shown is a stable player at a position of great risk. You go with that player, continue to build a defense and OL out. Maybe the next Pat Mahomes comes. Generally, he doesn't, but there are a lot of expensive fakers along the way.

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Why do they have to be just placeholders? Jones is only 25 and has only played with either trash ol or trash weapons and still did pretty well. Can he turn into a fqb with the weapons the jets have? It’s definitely possible. Mayfield is the same age as white had a couple excellent seasons. Can he return to form? 

So, there are no good Daniel Jones stats other than his rushing stats under Daboll, and Mayfield would be on his fourth team in a year if we signed him. I just don’t see how either guy is much of an improvement on what we have. We’d be trading one coin flip for another

[BurntDice]

1 minute ago, Vader said:

Yeah but Baker Mayfield doesn't bring any next level. And that's my point -- hitting on a QB is super hard even with top 3 draft picks,  and we have missed bad over the past 20 years.

Mike White is essentially a developmental player. He hasn't played a full half season yet. They need to see what they have but what he has already shown is a stable player at a position of great risk. You go with that player, continue to build a defense and OL out. Maybe the next Pat Mahomes comes. Generally, he doesn't, but there are a lot of expensive fakers along the way.

In 2020 Baker had 3563 yards, 62.3 comp %, 26 tds, 8 ints, 165 rushing yards and a rushing td. You can’t tell me that’s not better than white has done. 

[Smashmouth]

Funny thing about the Flacco fumble is he's supposed to be the Veteran in the room and he goes out there in a close game and does not protect the football. This is our Mentor ? I'm not even sure how you take a chance in that situation with the pocket totally collapsing around you throw it away or cradle the damn ball to the ground

[genot]

45 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

They are not getting rid of Zach. They just aint doing it. JD would look like a buffoon. They'll hold on to him another year even if it means sitting him behind White. Key word in your post - Developing White.  He is still RAW and just hasn't played a lot of games in NFL. And he needs certain accommodations like a kick azz OL, kick azz running game and needs to get more accustomed to his WR's. And LaFluer needs to find and refine his strengths. The red zone offense is pitiful under Mike White. These flaws can be fixed and adjusted. Right now, Mike White is not working with a full deck. Lot of potential there if they can cross the T's and dot the I's.

While like any other QB, wants a big target in the red zone, who he can rely on. We don't have any. Davis is always hurt, and our TE's especially Conklin have been a big disappointment 

[Maynard13]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Joe Douglas is sitting here with the likely DROY and OROY in his team. I honestly haven’t heard a peep from any corner of the NFL media universe criticizing Douglas for the Zach pick. The only “lolJets” stuff I’ve heard was in reference to continuing to play Zach Wilson every week. 

That's irrelevant.  This aint a personality contest. Zach was not ready to play. They made a foolish decision playing him so quickly and even a dumber one drafting him to begin with since he was so inexperienced and raw. Now they are just going to have to bite the bullet and see if they can salvage him through time and patience.  If Mike White develops and wins the starting job, Wilson will back him up and they will re-evaluate things.  After next year, I believe they will decide what to do with Wilson. 

[BurntDice]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, there are no good Daniel Jones stats other than his rushing stats under Daboll, and Mayfield would be on his fourth team in a year if we signed him. I just don’t see how either guy is much of an improvement on what we have. We’d be trading one coin flip for another

Jones comp % is over 60 he just doesn’t throw is nearly as much as white has been at 15 less attempts a game.  3x more tds than ints this year, 200 passing yards a game, 500+ rushing yards and 4 rushing tds. This is all with slayton, Hodges, James at wr and Bellinger at te. A bunch of bums. With all the guys the jets have he would instantly improve. 
 

In 2020 Baker had 3563 yards, 62.3 comp %, 26 tds, 8 ints, 165 rushing yards and a rushing td. You can’t tell me that’s not better than white has done. 

[Smashmouth]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, there are no good Daniel Jones stats other than his rushing stats under Daboll, and Mayfield would be on his fourth team in a year if we signed him. I just don’t see how either guy is much of an improvement on what we have. We’d be trading one coin flip for another

you seem way too calm answering these questions. I'm not even sure how people could still be questioning MW since its the team as a whole letting themselves down not Mike White. Like I said he can't throw it and catch it and hold on to the ball as a running back. He's also not a LB diving over the pile pre snap on an ass hat assumption either. I mean if you think they are going to QB sneak it simply move up to the line and make a play when the ball is snapped

[Maynard13]

30 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

I don't think JD or the Jets would look like Buffoons ..everyone saw the raw talent Zach has so no harm in JD picking him with the second over all, none at all. You were not going to know how Zach would do in the heat of battle in the NFL until it actually happened and that goes for every single QB taken in the draft. Problem is Zach has zero toughness in the pocket and that causes him to take his eyes off open receivers down field. If you don't have that toughness you can't play in the NFL and there is no disputing that fact. There are times a QB will have to stand tough and lean into a throw and take a huge hit for the team. Mike White Did that three times today and came back into the game and still continued to play tough and make plays until Michael Carter fumbled the game away. 

I'm not sure how the Jets as an organization are assessing this QB situation but if its based on the fact Zach was the number 2 over all and to save face then god help this team and its fans. Personally I think they gave Zach a pretty long rope and they are still playing damage control with his psyche which at this stage is all they can do. He will not be cut due to the money owed him but in all estimations he should be riding the bench and at best be the Number 2 QB behind Mike White. The only way Zach should ever get a chance to play again is if Mike White gets hurt and can't play.  At that time, IF it comes, will be his only single chance to ever play for the Jets again on this football team if he sh*ts the bed again at that point he will be gone when the proper time to cut him or trade him dictates it

You don't toss aside a #2 pick in the draft after 2 years.  It just doesn't happen and its not a good look.  They will give him another year and see where he's at.  You may be right. This is who he is.  But they will try and salvage him. Its the right thing to do.  And if White outplays him, great.  They both have they're limitations. Maybe neither is the answer.  

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

Yeah because that’s how the Jets always go when they have a talented roster and morons in charge, I’ve seen this movie before some idiot will ruin and blow this thing up right after we just fall short.

There are no morons in charge anymore.

Jets had the worst, bottom feeding roster in the league last year and one year later than can play a tough game against almost anyone.

[Vader]

13 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

In 2020 Baker had 3563 yards, 62.3 comp %, 26 tds, 8 ints, 165 rushing yards and a rushing td. You can’t tell me that’s not better than white has done. 

doing. not done. 

[Smashmouth]

7 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

You don't toss aside a #2 pick in the draft after 2 years.  It just doesn't happen and its not a good look.  They will give him another year and see where he's at.  You may be right. This is who he is.  But they will try and salvage him. Its the right thing to do.  And if White outplays him, great.  They both have they're limitations. Maybe neither is the answer.  

Yeah this wont be 2 years and done and that was not implied . Zach's draft status will be the only reason if he ever gets another shot. Personally from what I have seen, Zach is too afraid to play this position and its nullifying his superior talent.

I've said this 100 times (and this is not directed at you)  you can't play the QB position in this league when scared of the pocket, you just can't and that's what loses your teammates faster than anything.

[Grandy]

26 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Joe Douglas is sitting here with the likely DROY and OROY in his team. I honestly haven’t heard a peep from any corner of the NFL media universe criticizing Douglas for the Zach pick. The only “lolJets” stuff I’ve heard was in reference to continuing to play Zach Wilson every week. 

Even though it conflicted with the beliefs of many on this board (myself included), Wilson was the consensus pick in NFL circles. If Douglas didn't make that pick, Lynch and Shanny would've etc. That's just how it was. Douglas didn't make some bold and crazy pick that blew up. It was a mistake, but even if you put another team and GM in that slot the same pick likely would've been made. 

It's like the Darnold thing. There's a lot of criticism directed towards how we handled him, but I don't hear a ton about the pick being bad itself and that we should've taken someone else because of the situation and him being consensus. That's even with having 2 super QB's in that class. In fact I feel like I hear more grievances from this fan base with regards to O'Brien over Marino because even though O'Brien was a quality QB, Marino was the easy pick that was messed up. 

Basically, you tend get a lot more scrutiny if your bold pick fails as opposed to the one everyone else would make too. So Douglas making otherwise good picks saves him from a lot of criticism even though it feels like everyone should be pointing and laughing about the Wilson pick.

[Irish Jet]

10 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Any Jet Fan who says anyone other than Mike White should be the QB of this franchise moving forward is an Idiot that includes trades or any other idiotic idea's . And Yes he should also be the QB starting next year.

I love Mike White so much it hurts but I don’t know what about watching him go down with every hit is inspiring people to think he can be a viable long term starter.

Injuries are gonna continue to be a problem. He’s too thin to be stepping into hits like he does. Great attribute if you’re built like Josh Allen or Cam Newton but White aint that.

[GangGreened]

9 hours ago, BurntDice said:

Minshew, carr, Danny dimes, baker. 
 

White will be in the 20ish mil range if he’s being paid to start. That’s not let’s see what he can do money. 

Minshew I’d sign. Carr isn’t good enough to get the Raiders where they want to go so he’s not good enough here either. Danny Dimes, no, Baker sucks.

That would be interesting if White got that much 

[The Crusher]

14 hours ago, BurntDice said:

This MW fan club is die hard I’ll give you that. Why should he be the starter next year? Why not bring in a vet FA? Or trade for one?

It’s going to be a matter of cost verses how much better will the vet be? Keep in mind a high end vet will crush our cap and a mid level guy may not be much better than what we have. The reality is if Berrios catches the ball last week and if we didn’t give up the two turnovers we very well could be in a much different place abs having a different conversation. But here we are. 

[BurntDice]

23 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

Minshew I’d sign. Carr isn’t good enough to get the Raiders where they want to go so he’s not good enough here either. Danny Dimes, no, Baker sucks.

That would be interesting if White got that much 

Go look into Danny dimes and baker. Baker hasn’t been great the past 2 years sure, but he was pro bowl level in 2020 (which isn’t far away). Danny dimes is putting up the same comp % as white, better td/int ratio, 500+ rushing yards with complete trash as weapons 

[SoFlaJets]

9 hours ago, BurntDice said:

Why do they have to be just placeholders? Jones is only 25 and has only played with either trash ol or trash weapons and still did pretty well. Can he turn into a fqb with the weapons the jets have? It’s definitely possible. Mayfield is the same age as white had a couple excellent seasons. Can he return to form? 

This is possibly the most ridiculous assessment I've seen on the Jets QB situations. You're saying sign Baker Mayfield, a guy who was just CUT and released to the NFL world for anybody to pick up and sign for free, you want to give him the starting job over a player like Mike White who if the Jets were crazy enough to release the same way, EVERY SINGLE GM in the league would be climbing over each other with contracts for him to sign?

[BurntDice]

8 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

This is possibly the most ridiculous assessment I've seen on the Jets QB situations. You're saying sign Baker Mayfield, a guy who was just CUT and released to the NFL world for anybody to pick up and sign for free, you want to give him the starting job over a player like Mike White who if the Jets were crazy enough to release the same way, EVERY SINGLE GM in the league would be climbing over each other with contracts for him to sign?

Lmao you really think every team would be begging to sign white as a starter? Now that is a ridiculous statement  

[Biggs]

11 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

 Why not ?  Because this team likes MW he's a damn good QB who gives everything he's got as evidenced in todays damn game and by doing anything else other than starting MW next year would be dreadfully stupid . 

This could be the single dumbest post I have read in weeks hell you're giving jetson's and the other butt hurt buffon's a run for their money and you have no basis for it.

This is not about a Mike White fan club this is about the best QB on this roster going out and moving this team and said team loves playing hard for him. This is NOT about pretty boy or free agents.

Mike White isn't under contract past this year.  How much do you want to pay him if he has  a lossing record with this team down the stretch and they don't make the playoffs?

[redlichtie]

10 hours ago, Beerfish said:

White has won 3 friggin games in this league, he has lost his last two critical games.  I agree with most of your post but this whole sale love mike white, he is THE one after a good game vs frigin chicago is absurd.  The fact that Wilson and flacco are horrid does not make white the sudden saviour QB. 

White is getting his big chance, we were in a playoff spot when he took over, if he keeps us there he is probably the starter going in to next year but if he doesn't all bets are off.  In any case even if we have white and wilson next year they have to go out and get another viable guy,  Preferably a guy that can run.

Yeah I totally agree here, I don’t get this all-in obsession with players where you have to be 100% one or the other.
It’s entirely possible to be underwhelmed by Zach to the point where it’s doubtful the guy will ever be what we hoped we were getting with the No2 overall pick AND ‘jury-still-out’ on White.

Worst case scenario; White has shown enough toughness and ability to make him an asset that some team will believe he’s worth giving up a draft pick or two to acquire, not talking first rounders but a 2 or 3 maybe?, those resources are huge for Joe Douglas going forward, but is he the long term starter for us? ….I’m still not convinced.

MW has earned the right to be the guy to try to get us over the line this year but while the stats are great if you are playing fantasy, the ultimate stats that count are in the win-loss column. We hung with two of the best teams in the league and those were tough losses but with much to be optimistic about and the guy has started only a handful of games and should be judged over a broader body of work, but they were still losses.

We need to be careful that Mike White doesn’t become the next over-valued fan favourite a la Berrios and JFM, both guys who are not worth what they are getting paid but who a large part of the fanbase thought were indispensable, a year on and peeps are learning that neither is the future but just a placeholder. Luckily their contracts shouldn’t be crippling enough to force us to lose better young players. We should be able to move on and upgrade fairly painlessly but that’s less easy at QB….how do we all feel about paying upwards of 20M a season for him?

win out and make the playoffs and it’ll be a glorious problem to have and no doubt a lively off-season discussion but for now we need to be keeping our options open at QB…..THE guy is likely not on the roster yet 

 

[Gastineau Lives]

10 hours ago, THE BARON said:

no

I think 41 td to 12 int and MUCH more mobility than Mike White requires more than a dismissive "no".

[Biggs]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think you have to make the calculation of how much better a “good vet” is than White looks to be. Personally, I don’t want to pay Derek Carr $40 million dollars, and I’d be squeamish about giving Garoppolo big money with his injury history. But White on a cheap show-me deal with a good QB class coming up in 24? IMO that’s ideal unless Zach has an epiphany before March rolls around.

Lets say MW plays well down the stretch and we make the playoffs.  What's a cheap show me deal?  If we have to franchise him it's a one year deal at over 30 million.  If were going to give him a "Show me" deal, it I'm MW i bet on myself because he's MFW.

[56mehl56]

6 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

I love Mike White so much it hurts but I don’t know what about watching him go down with every hit is inspiring people to think he can be a viable long term starter.

Injuries are gonna continue to be a problem. He’s too thin to be stepping into hits like he does. Great attribute if you’re built like Josh Allen or Cam Newton but White aint that.

Or if he could run like either. He's got Joe Flacco like mobility which is dangerous behind the current version of our Oline. 

[Gastineau Lives]

6 minutes ago, redlichtie said:

 

MW has earned the right to be the guy to try to get us over the line this year but while the stats are great if you are playing fantasy, 

 

I know this sounds great but if you're not getting anything on the ground AND you're not scoring touchdowns, the stats really aren't great if you are playing fantasy.

[SoFlaJets]

16 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Lmao you really think every team would be begging to sign white as a starter? Now that is a ridiculous statement  

Yea, I agree, if that was what I actually said

[Warfish]

17 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Any Jet Fan who says anyone other than Mike White should be the QB of this franchise moving forward

This year?  Yes, absolutely.

17 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

And Yes he should also be the QB starting next year.

Sorry, but no.  Not yet.

The Jets should look at every available opportunity to upgrade the QB talent of this team next year.

No anointing anyone as anything NOW.