Zach played better against the Bills.

[GangGreened]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

Absolutely meaningless with no context 

[jayrad01]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

How did the great Josh Allen do in the 1st half?

Ok now Mike White is as good as Josh Allen. Got you. 

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

? no he wasn’t ?

a better game by game comp would be wilson week 17 last year or wilson vs NE v2 this year. On the road, against a top D, in horrible weather

That really isn't what this thread was about.  Start a thread about that and I would happily comment.  

Again, I'm not a big of these comparisons - as I don't think they serve much a purpose.  But since it's happening and there is a complete unwillingness by the vast majority of poster to accept what's obvious I feel the need to comment.  

Again, not a big deal - as you pointed out they were different circumstances and Mike White wasn't bad - but Zach was better than Mike White when playing Buffalo this year.  That is all.

[Mogglez]

No he didn’t.  Close this ridiculous thread.

[SuicidalSince98]

4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

That really isn't what this thread was about.  Start a thread about that and I would happily comment.  

Again, I'm not a big of these comparisons - as I don't think they serve much a purpose.  But since it's happening and there is a complete unwillingness by the vast majority of poster to accept what's obvious I feel the need to comment.  

Again, not a big deal - as you pointed out they were different circumstances and Mike White wasn't bad - but Zach was better than Mike White when playing Buffalo this year.  That is all.

You know that I am an objective evaluator of zach but  I just totally disagree that zach was better because of some efficiency metrics. Context matters. 

[jayrad01]

7 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

Against arguably the best team in the league during a hail storm? The MVP caliber QB on the other side only scored because Mosley jumped offsides on 4th down.

We lost another game. Keep making excuses. I guess you should start now and you will be all practiced up and ready to go for missing the playoffs. It will be a great video of how we missed the playoffs because our team can't overcome a penalty and a turnover. I'm sure Patrick Mahomes loses this game also.

 

[GangGreened]

1 minute ago, jayrad01 said:

We lost another game. Keep making excuses. I guess you should start now and you will be all practiced up and ready to go for missing the playoffs. It will be a great video of how we missed the playoffs because our team can't overcome a penalty and a turnover. I'm sure Patrick Mahomes loses this game also.

 

So you think we stand a better chance to win games with Zach Wilson? Is that your stance?

[Mogglez]

12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

That really isn't what this thread was about.  Start a thread about that and I would happily comment.  

Again, I'm not a big of these comparisons - as I don't think they serve much a purpose.  But since it's happening and there is a complete unwillingness by the vast majority of poster to accept what's obvious I feel the need to comment.  

Again, not a big deal - as you pointed out they were different circumstances and Mike White wasn't bad - but Zach was better than Mike White when playing Buffalo this year.  That is all.

His numbers are immensely inflated by a two yard screen pass, that every single QB on this roster could have thrown, going for a touchdown.  The Bills were without both of their star Safeties, Tredavious White, and Wilson still couldn’t pull 200 yards.  Zach playing in yesterdays game would have been, without a doubt, an unmitigated disaster, and no one should try to sit here and pretend otherwise. Just because he played the role of Trent Dilfer really well in our first matchup against them doesn’t mean he played well.  He just didn’t f*ck up, something White didn’t do yesterday either.

[FidelioJet]

4 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

You know that I am an objective evaluator of zach but  I just totally disagree that zach was better because of some efficiency metrics. Context matters. 

I don't know why it's so hard to accept that Zach played well against Buffalo.  He had one of his better games.  He played smart, efficient football and won.  

It's okay to accept that and still say Mike White is the better QB right now.  I'm not suggesting Zach is the better QB - but have revisionist history isn't fair either.

[SuicidalSince98]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

I don't know why it's so hard to accept that Zach played well against Buffalo.  He had one of his better games.  He played smart, efficient football and won.  

It's okay to accept that and still say Mike White is the better QB right now.  I'm not suggesting Zach is the better QB - but have revisionist history isn't fair either.

He played ok. They clearly took the ball out of his hands. He was efficient and made a nice throw to mims. He did didn’t make any high degree of difficulty throws or big  plays. 

[FidelioJet]

4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Zach playing in yesterdays game would have been, without a doubt, an unmitigated disaster,

This may or may not be the case...but you're making a different argument than the OP.

You want to make the argument that Zach would have been worse yesterday - but that's not the conversation - you should start a thread about that - would be an interesting discussion.  

The conversation is Zach was better against Buffalo - and he was.  Doesn't mean he's the better QB, doesn't mean he would have been better yesterday.

That is all.

[BallinPB]

I was at the game yesterday.  The weather conditions were night and day compared to when Zach played the bills.  It’s not an even comparison at all.  Also Bills had Poyer and White back for this game.  

[Jetsfan80]

21 minutes ago, jayrad01 said:

Ok now Mike White is as good as Josh Allen. Got you. 

Yeah that’s what I’m saying here.  lulz.

[carlito1171]

LMAO 

Without acknowledging the clear difference in weather this is disingenuous at best!

[jgb]

18 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You can’t really discuss “mobility” with someone who thinks that Zach is “mobile” in any positive connotation of the term. Better to say that Zach runs well. 

The French Army is extrêmement mobile.

[jgb]

39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yeah that’s what I’m saying here.  lulz.

Reductio ad absurdum means you won 

[jayrad01]

1 hour ago, GangGreened said:

So you think we stand a better chance to win games with Zach Wilson? Is that your stance?

No

[GangGreened]

35 minutes ago, jayrad01 said:

No

Then what’s the solution?

[Larz]

51 minutes ago, jgb said:

The French Army is extrêmement mobile.

Without the French you are a subject of the crown my dude. 

[greenwave81]

On 12/11/2022 at 5:01 PM, Hal N of Provo said:

The Bills had Von Miller in the first game.  
 

Average yards per attempt are a slight edge to Zach, but basically the same.  White threw for more yards on way more attempts.  
 

Zach led the offense to 20 points.  
Mike White led the offense to 10 points.  
 

Zach was elusive and could add yards with his legs. Mike White was a battered statue. 
 

Zach led the team to a victory.  Mike White does a nice job getting statz between the 20’s. 
 

Start Zach.  Mike White QB2.  

WOW...that's some take...NOT.

I'm even in the "Zach ain't done here yet" camp, but....NO.

[bla bla bla]

2 hours ago, jayrad01 said:

We lost another game. Keep making excuses. I guess you should start now and you will be all practiced up and ready to go for missing the playoffs. It will be a great video of how we missed the playoffs because our team can't overcome a penalty and a turnover. I'm sure Patrick Mahomes loses this game also.

1) Yea, you're right. Best not to look at context. Let's wrap up these threads boys, clearly we shouldn't be discussing anything that happened because "we still lost"

2) If we miss the playoffs, the Bills and Vikings will have contributed to that but the biggest reason we won't make it is due to the 2 games against the Patriots. 

3) Josh Allen had his worst game of the season against us, twice. I'm not sure Mahomes necessarily does much better, unfortunately there is no way either of us can say one way or the other.

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

1) Yea, you're right. Best not to look at context. Let's wrap up these threads boys, clearly we shouldn't be discussing anything that happened because "we still lost"

2) If we miss the playoffs, the Bills and Vikings will have contributed to that but the biggest reason we won't make it is due to the 2 games against the Patriots. 

3) Josh Allen had his worst game of the season against us, twice. I'm not sure Mahomes necessarily does much better, unfortunately there is no way either of us can say one way or the other.

Bingo bongo. 

[OCCH23]

4 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

That really isn't what this thread was about.  Start a thread about that and I would happily comment.  

Again, I'm not a big of these comparisons - as I don't think they serve much a purpose.  But since it's happening and there is a complete unwillingness by the vast majority of poster to accept what's obvious I feel the need to comment.  

Again, not a big deal - as you pointed out they were different circumstances and Mike White wasn't bad - but Zach was better than Mike White when playing Buffalo this year.  That is all.

So you would be just as comfortable with a thread titled "Zack Wilson played a better game against Buffalo than Patrick Mahomes"?

'Cuz he did (statistically) but something tells me you'd be laughed off the board (kinda like what's happening now) . . .

[Hal N of Provo]

3 hours ago, OCCH23 said:

So you would be just as comfortable with a thread titled "Zack Wilson played a better game against Buffalo than Patrick Mahomes"?

'Cuz he did (statistically) but something tells me you'd be laughed off the board (kinda like what's happening now) . . .

 

 “laughing this off the board”
 

But the sheep are having a good time at least 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Hal N of Provo said:

 

 “laughing this off the board”
 

But the sheep are having a good time at least 

Interesting that a Zach stan would call anyone a sheep.

Interesting…

[VJphillyfan]

14 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

No he didn’t.. Wilson was asked to do very little vs Buffalo and the Jets controlled that game with defense and running the ball. MW made tons of big time throws in horrible conditions

 

Bill Cartwright won multiple nba championships so he was a better player than Charles Barkley, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing

[VJphillyfan]

6 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

 

 “laughing this off the board”
 

But the sheep are having a good time at least 

No one takes Zach seriously.  Enjoy rooting for him when he’s holding a clipboard with the broncos in 2 years

[FidelioJet]

14 hours ago, OCCH23 said:

So you would be just as comfortable with a thread titled "Zack Wilson played a better game against Buffalo than Patrick Mahomes"?

'Cuz he did (statistically) but something tells me you'd be laughed off the board (kinda like what's happening now) . . .

I didn't watch Buff. play KC this year.  So I can't comment.  With that said, KC is a different team than the Jets -  Not nearly the same comparison.  

But...if I watched KC play Buffalo this year AND I saw that Zach Wilson was better against Buffalo I would have no problem commenting on a thread that stated such.  

[jayrad01]

14 hours ago, GangGreened said:

Then what’s the solution? I'm not happy just making the playoffs and being 1 and done. If we were lucky that's what would have happened with MW. I would have let ZW play it out give him this year and if he doesn't vastly improve than we know we need to move on either in free agency or the draft. I don't think our record would be any different than it is right now, but we would know what we have for sure with ZW. Now we will go into next year saying ZW improved over the er blah blah blah give him another chance and waste another year. MW is a solid backup that's it. He is already coming back down to earth. He's great between the 20s and sucks in the red zone. Maybe ZW would have clicked like Trevor Lawrence maybe not. Now we won't know until they do the same sh*t next year. The plan was for this to be a developmental year for ZW, but all of a sudden there was delusions that we are now a Superbowl team with just average qb play which obviously wasn't the case. 

 

[C Mart]

This thread title could tie into the reasons for the thread titled "Something Else We Seem To Have Lost...A LOT of Smart Jets Fans"

[jayrad01]

14 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

1) Yea, you're right. Best not to look at context. Let's wrap up these threads boys, clearly we shouldn't be discussing anything that happened because "we still lost"

2) If we miss the playoffs, the Bills and Vikings will have contributed to that but the biggest reason we won't make it is due to the 2 games against the Patriots. 

3) Josh Allen had his worst game of the season against us, twice. I'm not sure Mahomes necessarily does much better, unfortunately there is no way either of us can say one way or the other

Blah blah blah I was saying if Mahomes played for us we would have won not if Mahomes played for Buffalo. Also if the season ended today you could say the pats games caused us to miss the playoffs, but you are assuming 2 things. 1 that MW would have won those game's and 2 that MW goes on to win 3 of the next 4 games. MW might not have scored any more points than ZW. We will never know. If we keep losing the 2  patriots games will be moot. 

[jayrad01]

15 hours ago, GangGreened said:

Then what’s the solution?

Then what’s the solution? I'm not happy just making the playoffs and being 1 and done. If we were lucky that's what would have happened with MW. I would have let ZW play it out give him this year and if he doesn't vastly improve than we know we need to move on either in free agency or the draft. I don't think our record would be any different than it is right now, but we would know what we have for sure with ZW. Now we will go into next year saying ZW improved over the er blah blah blah give him another chance and waste another year. MW is a solid backup that's it. He is already coming back down to earth. He's great between the 20s and sucks in the red zone. Maybe ZW would have clicked like Trevor Lawrence maybe not. Now we won't know until they do the same sh*t next year. The plan was for this to be a developmental year for ZW, but all of a sudden there was delusions that we are now a Superbowl team with just average qb play which obviously wasn't the case. 

 

[jgb]

17 hours ago, T0mShane said:

WHAT IS YOUR GAME, BRO. 

[Flashlite80]

First, the weather was significantly different.  The cold and the winds played a big role.  Remember, Zach couldn't do anything right in wind.

Second, the Jets pounded the run in the first game.  they wore down the defense and won the game with a drive that was clearly all run.

Third, the game was at home.

Fourth, Mike White played his game hurt after a vicious hit.

The narrative is, did Mike White do enough to win?  I think he did, but his teammates didn't.  Still, a refreshing difference to discuss how much the QB did to win.  Remember, with Zach it was we can win as long as he doesn't screw up.  Discussion of how much he did to win the game was lite years away.

[BurntDice]

They both played alright against the bills. Neither were good and neither were bad.