It's time to start Zach Wilson again!

[johnnysd]

I think the odds of White staying healthy the rest of the season is close to 0. To my eyes he seems really fragile and dud last year as well.  Not going to comment on the white vs Zach thing but odds are definitely  leaning towards him not lasting physically.

[peekskill68]

These Zach vs. White threads are spirited debates, but it seems that there is really only one thing that just about everyone agrees with:

No. More. Flacco...

[xJayce]

4 hours ago, Alka said:

You might be thinking right now that I am just a stupid Jets fan, and you might be right.

Yes.

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I could care less what anyone thinks.  You probably are pointing to the stats, how Mike is getting the entire offense involved, and how everyone loves him on the team.  I don't care about any of that.  I care about wins and losses, and on my scorecard, Zach is 5-2 this season, Mike White is 1-2, and Flacco is 1-2.

Wins are not a QB stat. They are a team stat. The QB play has been significantly better over the last few weeks, other than escapability. White needs to learn to sometimes just use his legs for a few yards. Other than that, he's making great throws (sometimes into tight windows). He's really reduced the amount of turnover worth plays, and gets the team moving. Significantly less 3 and outs as well. We're a Berrios drop in the end zone away from being 2-1 with White as opposed to 1-2.

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Let's not forget that he came from behind and got us a win against Buffalo at home, and was gritty in his performance, though not spectacular.

He wasn't even allowed to throw during that drive (other than 1 throw to Mims). The 'come from behind' was due to the Oline dominating the 4th quarter, and the Jets being able to run on every single down. Zach was basically there to hand off the ball, and, to be fair, he did that well. That was, without a doubt, his best game of the season.
 

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It is disturbing to me how easily Mike White can get Moore and Mims involved in the game, but not Zach.  While this is troubling, I only care about getting the wins right now.  Next year is next year, and I would make it a priority to bring in a established QB to compete with Zach and Mike White, and make it an open competition.

Zach's issues are not about getting people involved. Zach generally does not see open receivers well, and when he does, he's often been unable to get them the ball (see Warner's take on his footwork and how he sets himself up to throw). He is also incredibly indecisive (the slowest in the league at making a throw). He is able to buy some time with his legs, which is great, but then often follows that up with simply throwing the ball out of bounds or missing on his passes. I have nothing against him, but right now, there are a lot of issues he needs to work through.

The offense is generally playing much better with White than it has been with Zach.

Now, if we can get back to having a line that help push the run, as well as picking up a couple turnovers (Jets were + 2 on turnovers last Buffalo game, and -2 this week), we'll be fine.

[Jet9]

This is gimmick infringement. 

[Charlie Brown]

5 hours ago, Alka said:

This is not about the future of the Jets, it's about the future of this season.  After the Jets lost to the Patriots the second time, I said that starting Zach Wilson the next game against the Bears was a "no-brainer".  I also said that I wasn't concerned about starting Mike White against the Bears, but I was concerned with him starting after the Bears.

You might be thinking right now that I am just a stupid Jets fan, and you might be right.  I could care less what anyone thinks.  You probably are pointing to the stats, how Mike is getting the entire offense involved, and how everyone loves him on the team.  I don't care about any of that.  I care about wins and losses, and on my scorecard, Zach is 5-2 this season, Mike White is 1-2, and Flacco is 1-2.

Zach, while I will not tell you that he is the future of this team after this year, I believe that he has shown the ability to evade sacks, can move around the pocket, and run when we need him to run.  Mike White is continuing to prove to me that he is a very good back-up QB, but not the guy who will get us to the Super Bowl.  Zach is 5-0 against every opponent he has gone against this season not named the Patriots, and If I were the head coach, I would have started Zach against the Bears (we still would have won the game), and see how he responded after the poor performance against the Patriots.  Let's not forget that he came from behind and got us a win against Buffalo at home, and was gritty in his performance, though not spectacular.

It is disturbing to me how easily Mike White can get Moore and Mims involved in the game, but not Zach.  While this is troubling, I only care about getting the wins right now.  Next year is next year, and I would make it a priority to bring in a established QB to compete with Zach and Mike White, and make it an open competition.

 

Clearly, this is a Semi-Troll Post that is designed to get the uninitiated to foam at the mouth and post impassioned defenses of the obvious....

 

[jgb]

 

6 hours ago, Alka said:

Please forgive me.  I did read the other part of what you typed, and I agree with your argument.  But I saw red when I read your last sentence, and I responded to that.  I don't love any of our quarterbacks to be honest.  I just think that Zach gives us the best chance to win, even with the handicap of the offensive coordinator not always giving us the best chance to win.

If only LaFleur would call teh good plays equally for all the Jets QBs.

[nyjets1969]

We arent winning with either one these QBs. Mike White isn't athletic enough or mobile enough but his grasp of offense shows that Zach should have this kind progress considering he started more games. Jets are in a really bad place they have a fully built team ready to win but no QB to run it.  The Jets have 3 priorities find a QB to run this offense try resign white as a backup and figure out what to do with Zach whether trade him or develop him. Dont think he will ever be a nfl QB as BYU footage shows this guy should never been drafted at #2. Jets are going have critical off-season as the QB Jets need is not on the roster.

[Larz]

11 minutes ago, nyjets1969 said:

We arent winning with either one these QBs. Mike White isn't athletic enough or mobile enough but his grasp of offense shows that Zach should have this kind progress considering he started more games. Jets are in a really bad place they have a fully built team ready to win but no QB to run it.  The Jets have 3 priorities find a QB to run this offense try resign white as a backup and figure out what to do with Zach whether trade him or develop him. Dont think he will ever be a nfl QB as BYU footage shows this guy should never been drafted at #2. Jets are going have critical off-season as the QB Jets need is not on the roster.

[Larz]

Oops 

[doitny]

9 hours ago, Alka said:

My argument is that Mike White lost both of those games starting QB, and with Zach, we will never know, will we?  But we do know that he was 5-2, and as far as I'm concerned, deserved to continue to start, at least against the Bears, and see how he would have responded after the Patriots loss.

well if win-lose is all that you think matters than actual performance then if you get Zach to start because he is 5-2 then have to bench everyone with a losing record who starts. so Bam Knight has to be benched then cause he is 0-2 as a starter. Michael Carter is 5-4. he Zachs RB then.

cant have Fant either cause we are 1-3 in games he starts.

but you can have Feeney he is 1-0.

[greenwave81]

4 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

These Zach vs. White threads are spirited debates, but it seems that there is really only one thing that just about everyone agrees with:

No. More. Flacco...

Please, no more Flacco...for the love of God.

I'd rather see Strev as the number 2.  Change the O to a RPO, and let him run too.

[Jetsfan80]

Not only does White deserve to start the rest of the season regardless, he already has done enough to be the locked in Week 1 starter in 2023.  Even as a current UFA at the end of the season.

[BigRy56]

Nope! I’m out. I am open to him backing up Mike White though. If history is any tell, White will get hurt and Zach will get a shot. But he’s not the starter for this team anymore if White’s healthy

[JiF]

I cant believe this thread has legs.  

Does anyone honestly think the results would have been different the last 2 weeks w/ Wilson?  Like, honestly?  Hell, we dont know that they would have beat the Bears.  He blamed throwing in the wind or so he says, vs. the Pats, why would he have been able to in a torrential down pour? 

And does anyone honestly think the Jets record is different w/ White starting during the stretch the Jets carried Wilson?  Just silliness.

Here's a brain **** for this nonsensical logic; what if Mike White plays at Zach Wilson's level but the Jets D and Bam/Carter start running hog wild and carry the Jets to the playoffs?   lol   Cool because hey, wins?  Or????   Not cool because now we have Jamarcus Russell again? 

 

[Greg555]

If White can’t go…have to assume it will be ZW.  No Flacco..please.

If so, we can just hope for a QB controversy heading into the following game v Jacksonville.  
 

That would certainly mean we are 8-6

[JetsMetsRangers]

8 hours ago, JiFields said:

I cant believe this thread has legs.  

Does anyone honestly think the results would have been different the last 2 weeks w/ Wilson?  Like, honestly?  Hell, we dont know that they would have beat the Bears.  He blamed throwing in the wind or so he says, vs. the Pats, why would he have been able to in a torrential down pour? 

And does anyone honestly think the Jets record is different w/ White starting during the stretch the Jets carried Wilson?  Just silliness.

Here's a brain **** for this nonsensical logic; what if Mike White plays at Zach Wilson's level but the Jets D and Bam/Carter start running hog wild and carry the Jets to the playoffs?   lol   Cool because hey, wins?  Or????   Not cool because now we have Jamarcus Russell again? 

 

Yes Zach crying about the wind when in the same game Mac Jones throws for 250 yards compared to the 77 yards Zach threw for.......So strong talented armed Zach blubbers about about wind while weak armed Jones has no problem.......Cannot believe an NFL QB would go there, OMG it was windy!

 

[rangerous]

17 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

this is the one indisputable element ZW brings to the table that the other non-Strev QB's don't

unfortunately, he tends to run backwards or laterally way more than he goes forward

it's like putting a weapon in the hands of somebody who doesn't know how to use it

and he hasn't been drilled on efficient movement WITHIN the pocket

his first instinct is always to flee it entirely

yep.  i think this can be learned.  last season white was very much chuck and duck in the buffalo game.  this season he took some shots and pretty much followed through with his passes.  they didn't win but he sure played much better.

[Jet2020]

19 hours ago, Alka said:

No, I don't get it.  lol.  I get that the Jets would not be 5-2 without the defense.  I get that.  I also get that the  Jets would not be 5-2 without Zach; they would be worse.  They would not have beaten the Bills the first time without Zach.

I’m sure intercepting Josh Allen twice and sacking him 5 times had nothing to do with that victory while losing 2 fumbles and not forcing a turnover wasn’t why Jets lost the last game. 
 

Zach was good against Bills. His only good game. Even then the D won that game and it wasn’t even remotely close who won it for us. The D wasn’t the same last time. Although our offense lost the ball twice in extremely critical spots (Flacco n Carter fumbles). We don’t fumble, we don’t lose. We cause turnovers and we win. It’s simples. 
 

+2 turnover differential and we won. A -2 turnover differential and we lost. Zach was just a player that was on the field for the team that beat Bills. 

Mike White wins both games against Pats. He wins the first game against Bills. 

[ChuckkieB]

Wilson has had enough time to grasp the offense and at least make progress on his shortcomings (which are many), but he has not done that.  He was handed the job last year and he hasn't not earned the right to keep it, and he apparently doesnt have many allies in the locker room, which I think is a very troubling sign.  On toughness alone, Mike White has earned the job, not to mention his understanding of the offense, the ability to quickly read the defense, and the fact that the entire team has rallied behind him. I have no idea if Mike White is the Jets long term QB solution, but I'm fairly comfortable saying that Wilson is NOT.  The Jets need to find their QB to run this playoff caliber team next year.

[NJ]

A few FF thoughts on Zach Wilson's worth:

• Player Note Sunday, 7:52 pm

  Garrett Wilson caught 6-of-7 targets for 78 yards in the Jets' Week 14 loss to the Bills. 

  Advice: 78 is now a number Wilson has reached in all three of Mike White's starts in place of Zach Wilson, though today's effort came with White taking a pair of nasty rib shots. He played through the issue on Sunday but is probably questionable for Week 15 against the Lions. If White can go for that one, Wilson will be in the WR1 mix vs. the Lions' terrible defense. The same will be true even if Joe Flacco gets the start, but that would not be the case with Zach Wilson. 

  (NBCSportsEDGE.com)

[jgb]

I will not watch another Jets game with him starting. Yard work day if it happens.

[Larz]

I don’t believe anything Saleh says anymore but if Zach is the backup this week lookout. It 100% opens the door for him to start against the jags or later. 
 

he did say that he wants Zach to play again this year 

[Larz]

14 hours ago, JiFields said:

I cant believe this thread has legs.  

Does anyone honestly think the results would have been different the last 2 weeks w/ Wilson?  Like, honestly?  Hell, we dont know that they would have beat the Bears.  He blamed throwing in the wind or so he says, vs. the Pats, why would he have been able to in a torrential down pour? 

And does anyone honestly think the Jets record is different w/ White starting during the stretch the Jets carried Wilson?  Just silliness.

Here's a brain **** for this nonsensical logic; what if Mike White plays at Zach Wilson's level but the Jets D and Bam/Carter start running hog wild and carry the Jets to the playoffs?   lol   Cool because hey, wins?  Or????   Not cool because now we have Jamarcus Russell again? 

 

If you get Zach’s brain working the reason he was drafted #2 is arm talent and mobility.  The best thing for the jets is to rewire Zach’s brain.
MW is very limited athletically compared to NFL QBs. If he’s going to do the manning statue thing he has to be able to hit deep outs and protect himself. The manning used to “turtle “ when the play was over and put 2 hands on the ball and find a place to land. Neither guy is durable, but if you want to go with MW as a long term starter that’s what he needs to show. Almost dying doesn’t check a box.  Staying available even tho you are slow does. 

 

[Biggs]

14 hours ago, JiFields said:

I cant believe this thread has legs.  

Does anyone honestly think the results would have been different the last 2 weeks w/ Wilson?  Like, honestly?  Hell, we dont know that they would have beat the Bears.  He blamed throwing in the wind or so he says, vs. the Pats, why would he have been able to in a torrential down pour? 

And does anyone honestly think the Jets record is different w/ White starting during the stretch the Jets carried Wilson?  Just silliness.

Here's a brain **** for this nonsensical logic; what if Mike White plays at Zach Wilson's level but the Jets D and Bam/Carter start running hog wild and carry the Jets to the playoffs?   lol   Cool because hey, wins?  Or????   Not cool because now we have Jamarcus Russell again? 

 

I honestly think White doesn't finish the Denver game or make it out of the 2nd Pats game.  

[jgb]

7 minutes ago, Larz said:

If you get Zach’s brain working the reason he was drafted #2 is arm talent and mobility.  The best thing for the jets is to rewire Zach’s brain.
MW is very limited athletically compared to NFL QBs. If he’s going to do the manning statue thing he has to be able to hit deep outs and protect himself. The manning used to “turtle “ when the play was over and put 2 hands on the ball and find a place to land. Neither guy is durable, but if you want to go with MW as a long term starter that’s what he needs to show. Almost dying doesn’t check a box.  Staying available even tho you are slow does. 

 

“Brain not working” is by far the #1 reason highly-drafted QBs fail. #2 is attitude problem, so BYU is a two-fer. Injury and substance abuse are distant #3and #4.

 

[JiF]

10 minutes ago, Larz said:

If you get Zach’s brain working the reason he was drafted #2 is arm talent and mobility.  The best thing for the jets is to rewire Zach’s brain.
MW is very limited athletically compared to NFL QBs. If he’s going to do the manning statue thing he has to be able to hit deep outs and protect himself. The manning used to “turtle “ when the play was over and put 2 hands on the ball and find a place to land. Neither guy is durable, but if you want to go with MW as a long term starter that’s what he needs to show. Almost dying doesn’t check a box.  Staying available even tho you are slow does. 

 

What is the difference between Jared Goff and Mike White, athletically? 

[JiF]

8 minutes ago, Biggs said:

I honestly think White doesn't finish the Denver game or make it out of the 2nd Pats game.  

[Biggs]

8 minutes ago, JiFields said:

What is the difference between Jared Goff and Mike White, athletically? 

Other than being faster, more agile and putting up much better combine numbers nothing.  

[FootballLove]

The parallels between the 9ers with Garoppolo and Trey Lance are eerily similar to the Jets with Mike White and Zack Wilson.

I know Garoppolo is injured but pretend he's healthy. Both teams have a QB1 (Garappolo and Mike White) who are good QBs who can win a bunch of games, but neither is viewed as a true FQB who can put the team on his shoulders and win the SB. Both teams have a young gun (drafted #2 and #3 in the same draft) they HOPE can someday become a true FQB to win a SB, but both young guns are struggling A LOT.

9ers gave up a ton of draft cap to trade up, Jets gave up a ton of draft cap to stay put. Both orgs are in deep with their young guns, but both can win more games NOW with their lesser-upside QB1s.

For the 9ers, both QBs are injured, so it's a mute point till next season. For the Jets, both QBs are healthy (Zack more so), so it's an issue NOW.

It's weird how Saleh, LeFleur and the Jets will be tied to the 9ers for a long time, and now we both have the exact same QB quandary. 

Which team, in the end, will handle it properly?

[johnnysd]

19 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

These Zach vs. White threads are spirited debates, but it seems that there is really only one thing that just about everyone agrees with:

No. More. Flacco...

You could make an argument that Flacco as QB#2 cost us the game.

[JiF]

2 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Other than being faster, more agile and putting up much better combine numbers nothing.  

Yes, so true, when you think about it, probably every DC in the leagues notes on Jared Goff start with; fast, agile, big combine numbers. 

[elvispookie]

Cant wait for original poster to show us all that video of HOW exactly Zach led us to his 5-2 record.  You know, all those drop backs, standing in the pocket.. amazing bombs through tight windows... cant wait! 

[Larz]

45 minutes ago, JiFields said:

What is the difference between Jared Goff and Mike White, athletically? 

How much you like them personally?

lets skip ahead. 

how many teams will offer MW starter money next year? 
 

starter money is 3 years 60 million, 25 guaranteed 

 

1. 

[bitonti]

right after Zach was drafted the Madden people asked the rookies what they thought their rating should be 

Zach said 90

for those unfamiliar with the game, rookies even the very best are rarely over 80. It takes time and Pro Bowls to get above 90

Zach thought he was 90 right out of the gate. He called it "not that great, because he hadn't done anything"

to put that number into context a 90 would be the 5th highest QB in the Madden 22 game. It was like Deshaun Watson's rating. 

that's this player's biggest flaw: unearned confidence

and the things that are wrong with him aren't going to be fixed in 3 weeks. There's even a debate if NFL coaches are capable of fixing him at all 

NFL coaches expect a certain level of competence, setting their feet, making easy throws, Zach isn't doing any of that 

because he thinks he doesn't have to 

such a terrible pick by JD and I suspect he will eventually get fired for it. Going 2-14, 4-13 and 7-10 isn't good enough 

[GangGreened]

17 hours ago, nyjets1969 said:

We arent winning with either one these QBs. Mike White isn't athletic enough or mobile enough but his grasp of offense shows that Zach should have this kind progress considering he started more games. Jets are in a really bad place they have a fully built team ready to win but no QB to run it.  The Jets have 3 priorities find a QB to run this offense try resign white as a backup and figure out what to do with Zach whether trade him or develop him. Dont think he will ever be a nfl QB as BYU footage shows this guy should never been drafted at #2. Jets are going have critical off-season as the QB Jets need is not on the roster.

Yup. This was the risk you ran when drafting a player like Wilson.